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    #23721
    ^^^

    dun palang sa pagsita sa cherry-picking ng data is already a bad sign for Astra

    and Astra has an image problem with all the news coming out of Europe

    the US has Pfizer, Moderna, J&J... they don't need Astra

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    Kawawa rin tayo & other 3rd worlders. We settle for the crumbs. We don’t have a choice.


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    ang problema nito if the gov't regulator is pressured into approving ivermectin due to insistent public demand -- then the public can also demand that for other drugs

    so what's the use of a gov't regulator for food and drugs?

    if a group of loud people on the internet say a drug works then it should be allowed

    ganyan nalang ang drug approval process -- via opinion of loud people

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    #23724
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post


    ang problema nito if the gov't regulator is pressured into approving ivermectin due to insistent public demand -- then the public can also demand that for other drugs

    then what's the use of a gov't regulator for food and drugs?

    if a group of loud people on the internet say a drug works then it should be allowed

    ganyan nalang a drug approval process -- via opinion of loud people
    A bigger problem will be anyone can sue the FDA or DOH for approving a drug not meanth for human use should that drug cause problems or a death. The things to consider in approving this drug, aside from its effect on Covid is:
    Can it be given to the elderly?
    Can it be given to children?
    Can it be given to pregnant people & at what stage of pregnancy?
    Can it be given to those who have other conditions?

    Maraming dadaanan before approval.


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    #23725
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    dun palang sa pagsita sa cherry-picking ng data is already a bad sign for Astra

    and Astra has an image problem with all the news coming out of Europe

    the US has Pfizer, Moderna, J&J... they don't need Astra
    A UK-developed/swede-manufactured vax sold at cost? Can't anyone see EU geopolitics & BigPharma's prints all over this?[emoji848]
    Kinda like SUA in a global scale?🤪

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    #23726
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post


    ang problema nito if the gov't regulator is pressured into approving ivermectin due to insistent public demand -- then the public can also demand that for other drugs

    so what's the use of a gov't regulator for food and drugs?

    if a group of loud people on the internet say a drug works then it should be allowed

    ganyan nalang ang drug approval process -- via opinion of loud people
    wild accusations?
    barking up the wrong tree?
    the voice of the public, even if misguided, rules?

    or is it,
    the voice of the public is the voice of reason?

    addndum:
    i just heard over the radio, that WHO does not recommend ivermectin for humen, as the current available data do not support its use against covid.
    Last edited by dr. d; April 5th, 2021 at 11:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post


    ang problema nito if the gov't regulator is pressured into approving ivermectin due to insistent public demand -- then the public can also demand that for other drugs

    so what's the use of a gov't regulator for food and drugs?

    if a group of loud people on the internet say a drug works then it should be allowed

    ganyan nalang ang drug approval process -- via opinion of loud people
    Ano matagal ko na sinabi? Inutil ang FDA. [emoji23]

    Pati FDA as institution nasira na ni dutiti, nagsimula dahil sa mga PSG niya.


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    #23728
    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    Parang weaponized na ng China yung virus! Surging elsewhere but not in China?


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    Yes that is what Im trying to figure out too. Wuhan is the origin place of the virus but we dont hear any 3rd wave or mutations from the origin highly suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Yes that is what Im trying to figure out too. Wuhan is the origin place of the virus but we dont hear any 3rd wave or mutations from the origin highly suspicious.

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    i don't think we will hear much from what's happening inside china, if they don't want us to hear from them.

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    #23730
    Ilan percent ulit efficacy ng sinovac saka.ilan months tatagal?

    Ano yun pwede pa test para malaman kung meron na antibodies at nag work ang shots?

    *uls *boybi antayin ninyo yun J&J? or pa shots na kayo ng sinovac?


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    Last edited by shadow; April 5th, 2021 at 11:23 AM.

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    #23731
    they can test for blood antibody levels.
    but that does not necessarily mean, the antibodies fight against covid...

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    #23732
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    they can test for antibody levels.
    but that does not necessarily mean, the antibodies fight against covid...
    Wala specific for covid-19 antibodies test?


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    #23733
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Wala specific for covid-19 antibodies test?


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    meron po.
    that's what i was refering to.

    in some studies,
    "... it is still a mystery whether neutralizing antibodies in vitro correlates with protection in vivo for sars-cov-2..."
    Last edited by dr. d; April 5th, 2021 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Ilan percent ulit efficacy ng sinovac saka.ilan months tatagal?

    Ano yun pwede pa test para malaman kung meron na antibodies at nag work ang shots?

    *uls *boybi antayin ninyo yun J&J? or pa shots na kayo ng sinovac?


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    Ang claim 100% against severe cases, a fraction less for mild-moderate.
    These vaccines are a work in progress.


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    #23735
    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    A UK-developed/swede-manufactured vax sold at cost? Can't anyone see EU geopolitics & BigPharma's prints all over this?[emoji848]
    Kinda like SUA in a global scale?🤪

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    i see EU politics

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    #23736
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Ilan percent ulit efficacy ng sinovac saka.ilan months tatagal?

    Ano yun pwede pa test para malaman kung meron na antibodies at nag work ang shots?

    *uls *boybi antayin ninyo yun J&J? or pa shots na kayo ng sinovac?


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    Whichever is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Ano matagal ko na sinabi? Inutil ang FDA. [emoji23]

    Pati FDA as institution nasira na ni dutiti, nagsimula dahil sa mga PSG niya.


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    pero ang point ko...

    sa issue ng ivermectin -- it's the public demanding PH FDA approve it for covid

    hindi ganyan ang pag approve ng gamot

    dahil sa public pressure?

    sa lagay na yan it's not even that many people

    they're just really loud on the internet

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    #23738
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    pero ang point ko...

    sa issue ng ivermectin -- it's the public demanding PH FDA approve it for covid

    hindi ganyan ang pag approve ng gamot

    dahil sa public pressure?

    sa lagay na yan it's not even that many people

    they're just really loud on the internet
    Mob mentality specially if not based on science is definitely wrong.

    Meron na din naman vaccine eh, waiting time na lang problem.

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    #23739
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Mob mentality specially if not based on science is definitely wrong.

    Meron na din naman vaccine eh, waiting time na lang problem.

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    "any port in a storm" syndrome.

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    #23740
    Can covid be mistaken from an ordinary flu virus or common cold virus? Because you can see a lot of comments saying that you dont hear any types of flu or colds virus anymore it is all covid.

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