FIA Formula One Chanpionship 2014 Thread

[niky]

TEAM STATEMENT: APPEAL | Infiniti Red Bull Racing

Easy to be gracious in defeat if you knew you were going to lose. The moment Gill rechecked the calibration of the sensor and found it within spec, the appeal was doomed.

[Helios]

"where there's a will, there's a way" must be red bull's ethos

nice try, rb

still a double-dose of misfortune for poor daniel

Marco Mattiacci replaces Domenicali at Ferrari with immediate effect

domenicali voluntarily resigns although montezemolo wants him to stay
^a dignified parting of the ways for a member of la familia ferrari
while marco has no race experience to his credit, how is this a good sign for scuderia's future

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A proposed software update to the ECU will add the following driver safety measures:

[niky]

A necessary precaution, considering you're up against this:

[Pippo21]

Hahah! Then the ECU will give you an extra 50 bhp to get away if he gets too close! )

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[niky]

Lewis starts on pole. Again.

Rosberg below the Red Bulls. Spun in the rain and still got P4.

Much rejoicing throughout the field as Maldonado has engine problems and skips qualifying.

Ricciardo now leads Vettel 3-1 in their in-team qualifying battle. The multiple world champion is now feeling the heat from the Aussie boy.

Alonso sets all time record for P5s. Seriously. Kimi nowhere near the Spaniard's pace, and considering the recent shuffle in Ferrari management, he might be nowhere near a Ferrari by next season, too.

1 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'53.860
2 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'54.455
3 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'54.960
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'55.143
5 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'55.637
6 Massa BRA Williams 1'56.147
7 Bottas FIN Williams 1'56.282
8 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'56.366
9 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'56.773
10 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'57.079
11 Räikkönen FIN Ferrari 1'56.860
12 Button GBR McLaren 1'56.963
13 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'57.289
14 Sutil GER Sauber 1'57.393
15 Magnussen DEN McLaren 1'57.675
16 Perez MEX Force India 1'58.264
17 Gutiérrez MEX Sauber 1'58.988
18 Kobayashi JPN Caterham 1'59.260
19 Bianchi FRA Marussia 1'59.326
20 Ericsson SWE Caterham 2'00.646
21 Chilton GBR Marussia 2'00.865
22 Maldonado VEN Lotus -

[ClaNker]

This is an unfortunate season for Vettel, it's the third GP that his car has gremlins.

I expect Dan on podium tomorrow and Vettel will settle for 4th or 5th.

[ClaNker]

Finally Ferrari on podium.

Brilliant run again by Ricc and consistently faster than Vettel since Bahrain. Vettel is miserably struggling with the new formula, and looks like he's stating to lose that seat to Ricc.

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Hope someone can put up a decent fight against the mercs sooner than later...or else it's gonna bore the fans away...ZZZzzz.

[ClaNker]

^ Well forget about hoping, because it's going to be Merc's 1 & 2 for the rest of the season. Just look at Rosberg managed to chase that podium with ease.

Pretty boring grand prix, and Bahrain got only exciting because of the safety car. FIA can kiss this formula goodbye, and that freaking engine is too quite.

[ClaNker]

Total fuel damaging fuel sensor

Meanwhile, it appears Red Bull is not ready to forgive rival Mercedes, after the German team called on the reigning world champions to be banned for three races for appealing Daniel Ricciardo's Melbourne disqualification.

Mercedes chairman Niki Lauda on Saturday made a peace-offering in the form of a Sachertorte, a famous recipe of Vienna chocolate cake.

But Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko told Bild: "He thinks everything is over with a cake.

"I think the next time he wants to eat with us, he should put on a bulletproof vest."

Red Bull did not cheat Mercedes unlike you last season with the help of Whiting and Pirelli of course.

[niky]

No, Whiting said that he thought it would be okay if Merc fulfilled certain conditions. Merc didn't. Not really Charlie's fault, which was why Merc was founnd liable (but only given a slap on the wrist).

Also, the issue with Red Bull was not just whether the sensor was working or not, it was that even in the telemetry they provided to the FIA court, they could not prove that their alternate computer modelling was superior. Their supposed validation simulation was a mere bench test instead of one run with the car in motion and up to temperature, and lacked a whole lot of variables in the calculation... and their calculations also showed that Ricciardo was still over the fuel limit.

Funny though, first outright failure I've seen during a race... Bottas' sensor plumb conks out. The FIA should really change the requirement to three sensors, like the WEC, with the accepted reading being an average of the three or the two with the closest readings.

^ Well forget about hoping, because it's going to be Merc's 1 & 2 for the rest of the season. Just look at Rosberg managed to chase that podium with ease.

Pretty boring grand prix, and Bahrain got only exciting because of the safety car. FIA can kiss this formula goodbye, and that freaking engine is too quite.

Just like last year... it's not the formula per se... it's the freeze in engine development that hampers teams from chasing front-runners with new technologies in the engine department.

Look at the Brawn GP championship season: Red Bull almost caught up because they were allowed to develop aero to match Brawn's aero tricks.

But look at last season: No one could develop engine maps to mimic Red Bull's new blown-diffuser trick because of the engine map freeze.

Same issue now. Teams are very limited in what they can do, but if you have a part of the package in which they are not allowed to do anything, teams who get it wrong at the start of the season will never be able to catch up.

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Also, Forza Alonso... fantastic drive.

[ClaNker]

No, Whiting said that he thought it would be okay if Merc fulfilled certain conditions. Merc didn't. Not really Charlie's fault, which was why Merc was founnd liable (but only given a slap on the wrist).

Also, the issue with Red Bull was not just whether the sensor was working or not, it was that even in the telemetry they provided to the FIA court, they could not prove that their alternate computer modelling was superior. Their supposed validation simulation was a mere bench test instead of one run with the car in motion and up to temperature, and lacked a whole lot of variables in the calculation... and their calculations also showed that Ricciardo was still over the fuel limit.

Funny though, first outright failure I've seen during a race... Bottas' sensor plumb conks out. The FIA should really change the requirement to three sensors, like the WEC, with the accepted reading being an average of the three or the two with the closest readings.



Just like last year... it's not the formula per se... it's the freeze in engine development that hampers teams from chasing front-runners with new technologies in the engine department.

Look at the Brawn GP championship season: Red Bull almost caught up because they were allowed to develop aero to match Brawn's aero tricks.

But look at last season: No one could develop engine maps to mimic Red Bull's new blown-diffuser trick because of the engine map freeze.

Same issue now. Teams are very limited in what they can do, but if you have a part of the package in which they are not allowed to do anything, teams who get it wrong at the start of the season will never be able to catch up.

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Also, Forza Alonso... fantastic drive.

Whiting just covered his ass, and FIA couldn't touch Merc because of the treat to pull out of the sport. Damn cheater have the face to send their lawyer during RB's appeal and took an active role on it.

Marko's recommendation is either do away with the flow sensor or put three instead of one. Remove the flow sensor is the most economical solution.

Imagine the cost of each flow sensor plus the calibration. That means you need to have 6 for two cars plus spare, that's a splendid way of cutting cost.

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[CVT]

^^^ Yup DC is holding his own against SV....

This time, the Aussie over the German....

[Helios]

it's too darn late to do performance upgrade on the engines now to catch up with merc's package which has about 2 to 6 years of development

however, ferrari and red bull can possibly close down the speed deficit if they continue to drive like mad, have no reliability issues, challenge f1 conventions and exploit loopholes


but for the moment, seb has yet the rest of the season to eat dan's dust

good for alonso, and good for f1

[niky]

Whiting just covered his ass, and FIA couldn't touch Merc because of the treat to pull out of the sport. Damn cheater have the face to send their lawyer during RB's appeal and took an active role on it.

Marko's recommendation is either do away with the flow sensor or put three instead of one. Remove the flow sensor is the most economical solution.

Imagine the cost of each flow sensor plus the calibration. That means you need to have 6 for two cars plus spare, that's a splendid way of cutting cost.

Whiting's e-mail (can't find it now, but I read it at the time) was very specific and stated that it was okay provided the rules had been followed and all the other teams were offered the opportunity to join the test, as per regulations.

Since they weren't, Whiting's e-mail cannot be taken as consent for the test, since the conditions he gave were not met.

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Doing away would be madness. You would need a small army of engineers familiar with the software and the specific engine maps being used to scrutineer all of the entries during each race weekend. Fuel consumption predictions extrapolated from the ECU based on the readings of several different sensors will never be as accurate as those coming from a bespoke sensor. To make it so, you'd have to install extra sensors, including extra temperature sensors inside the engine (preferably on a per-cylinder basis) to provide correction factors for the injectors themselves.

Multiple flow sensors are best. They do add cost, but that's the only way to be sure.

Also, it is beginning to appear that issues with the sensor are being caused by Total's additives, which might be doing something to the seals.

Total fuel suspected for Red Bull woes | Wheels24

Although why this would matter more in Red Bull than in other teams using Total, I don't know.

I still believe the issue at hand is Red Bull's packaging. Red Bull has always run extreme packaging, which is why they have had so many KERS failures over the years... and it could be that heat is affecting sensor readings. Do note that the Gill sensor needs to correct for temperature. It measures fuel speed... and is undeniably accurate at doing that, but it needs temperature information to convert speed and volume into fuel mass. If Red Bull has mounted it in such a way that interferes with that...

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[CVT]

^^^ Was the other one RG?...

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I bet Nico Hulkenberg and Williams Team are very grateful he did... Nico would have ended is that sorry Lotus team if Pastor hadn't "bought" his why in.

Maldonado paid $25 million to leave Williams - report
A contract termination payment of $25M in the Williams annual report reveals the whole story.

May 3 (GMM) A $25 million termination payment from Pastor Maldonado's sponsor helped Williams to drive back into profit.

The publicly-listed British team released its 2013 financial results on Friday, showing a $20m operating profit despite a poor season on track.

The Telegraph newspaper said the result was helped by a one-off termination payment made by the Venezuelan oil company PDVSA, who wanted to move their backing of driver Maldonado to the Lotus team for 2014.

The report said the payment "is believed to be in the region of $25m", in the wake of a more than $8 million loss recorded by Williams just a year ago.

"We made good progress commercially through the winter months and Williams continues to attract an enthusiastic and very loyal group of partners and fans," team boss Sir Frank Williams said in Friday's statement.

"These annual results demonstrate that we continue to manage our business in a fiscally responsible way and provide the foundation from which we can continue to grow.

"We have started the 2014 Formula One season well and hope we can continue to improve our performance," he added.