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    #341
    Quote Originally Posted by innoBOB[09JmtG] View Post
    you just lost the credibility of your words. whatever you post here makes no sense anymore.
    Nice one bro! Feeling Titanic.

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    #342
    I guess I have to post this here....got it from the other thread, wala kasi sumasagot doon eh.

    [SIZE=3]Ignorant columnists may not be TRO’d[/SIZE]

    Social Climate
    By Mahar Mangahas
    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    First Posted 23:34:00 04/30/2010


    ABOUT COLUMNISTS. EVERY THREE YEARS, IN the Philippines, comes a silly season when some columnists excel in misinforming the public about survey science. These are the ones who assert, for instance, that “a survey of only one or two thousand respondents cannot possibly represent many millions of voters.” Despite repeated demonstrations that a properly conducted sample survey is indeed representative of the whole population, they will not accept it, and would rather bask in their ignorance.

    Now, is there a way for a columnist who propagates falsehoods to be legally suppressed? For instance, may professional statisticians petition a court for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) to stop a columnist from vilifying statistical research about voters’ preferences? The answer to this is NO.

    A columnist has a constitutional right to display his ignorance, without prior restraint. This is because the right of free expression is a preferred right—“prior restraint” and “preferred right” being legal phrases.

    The statisticians’ legal remedy for a columnist’s abuse of free speech would be to sue for damages afterwards. But they don’t bother, because a statistically-challenged columnist doesn’t fool the people who really count.

    About Gordon’s complaint. Last week, Sen. Richard “Dick” Gordon asked a Regional Trial Court to issue a TRO against Social Weather Stations and another survey entity, to desist from conducting and publishing their election surveys, which he called “false, inaccurate and flawed,” causing him “grave and irreparable injury.”

    Gordon’s suit is ridiculously sloppy. Above all, it is ignorant of the Supreme Court’s affirmation that election surveys are constitutionally protected (see my April 17 column). In SWS v. Comelec (G.R. 147571, May 5, 2001), the Court nullified the section of the 2001 Fair Election Act that attempted to ban publication of election surveys. It ruled that such a ban “imposes a prior restraint on the freedom of expression” and forms “a direct and total suppression of a category of expression” during the elections.

    Gordon claims that “surveys issued by the defendants … showed him only at the 29th spot,” and yet he won as senator in 2004. Actually, the SWS surveys of the 2004 senatorial race had him as 14th in Jan. 18-22, tied for 16th on Feb. 17-25, 14th on March 21-29, tied for 8th on April 10-17, and tied for 9th (with 29 percent of the vote) on May 1-4. It looks like 29 percent was misread as 29th place. Thus he was already in the winning circle in the last two SWS pre-election surveys.

    Gordon’s complaints about methodology are false. (1) My column of March 6, 2010 reported that SWS received two awards from the Gallup World Poll for excellence in field methodology, among all of Gallup’s Asian field providers. (2) Face-to-face interviewing, which we always do, and which Gordon thinks “outmoded,” is part of Gallup’s job order to SWS. (3) We agree with Gordon that sampling should be done by probability, and not by quota. Apparently he doesn’t know that SWS always does the former, and never does the latter.

    Gordon calls it “highly improbable” that SWS did two national surveys over as short a period as March 19-30, 2010. Actually, SWS did eight national surveys, not all about elections, over January-April 2010, plus several local surveys.

    Gordon alleges that, last April 14, an unidentified SWS pollster in Cebu asked a respondent to choose between only two presidential candidates, instead of among 10. Comments: (1) SWS had no election survey in Cebu on that date; (2) all SWS interviewers have ID cards—tell us her name so that we can check; (3) the published SWS election surveys always feature the 10 candidates; (4) in any case, it is legitimate for anyone to inquire how a voter would choose between two candidates.

    Gordon’s claim that SWS fails to disclose its sponsors is false. Check the website, www.sws. org.ph. The SWS Survey Data Library is open to the public. Its staff helps visitors, short of serving as research assistants. The library fee is affordable even to students. Users should come personally, and not expect their technical questions to be answered by mail.

    Gordon’s citations of survey errors in past elections are very few; they are the exceptions that prove the rule, like the failure of US pollsters to predict Truman’s win over Dewey in 1948, which he cites as though it was SWS’ fault too. My 2009 paper, “The challenge of election surveys in the Philippines,” summarizes our election survey record; see our website. The error of the 2004 exit poll in Metro Manila was investigated by an independent group of scientists, and no fraudulence was found; see their report on the website.

    Gordon’s claim that “there are no associations of professional pollsters and polling firms which regulate, control, and sanction defendants … for their violation of the code of professional ethics …” is false. Seems he hasn’t heard of the Marketing and Opinion Research Society of the Philippines (MORES), founded in 1977. Both MORES and the World Association for Public Opinion Research (WAPOR), to which key SWS staff members belong, have Codes of Ethics. Last Wednesday, the MORES board of directors issued a press statement denouncing Gordon’s petition for striking at the heart of our democratic process.

    If the SWS election surveys were not true, accurate, and best-quality, I wonder if Gordon would still be interested in a TRO. Maybe he would just grant us the same freedom of speech that we allow to ignorant columnists.
    violent reactions are welcome.

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    #343
    That's the problem of filing haphazard suit. So ibig sabihin, dismiss kaso ni Gordon. Lalo lang syang naging katawatawa.

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    #344
    post ko na rin ito at baka naman sabihin ng mga Gordon supporters eh puro tira na lang ginagawa ko...

    mag bolt-in na daw kayo...

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    #345
    SWS and Pulse Asia polling firms owned by relatives and friends of Noynoy Aquino
    http://antipinoy.com/sws-and-pulse-a...nd-friends-of/

    That's why.

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    #346
    Quote Originally Posted by kanamu View Post
    SWS and Pulse Asia polling firms owned by relatives and friends of Noynoy Aquino
    http://antipinoy.com/sws-and-pulse-a...nd-friends-of/

    That's why.
    That's crap. Hindi na sana ginamit ni villar ang survey firms na yan kung alam nyang walang credibility and integrity. Pure magic lang yan, no basis. Interlocking directorship is normal unless you can show anomaly in their actions.

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    #347
    last stretch na ng campaign! more or less may idea na tayo kung sino ang lalabas ngayong eleksyon... sorry na lang sa matatalo... wag sanang maging crybaby... better luck next time...

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    #348
    Quote Originally Posted by tabularasa View Post
    That's crap. Hindi na sana ginamit ni villar ang survey firms na yan kung alam nyang walang credibility and integrity. Pure magic lang yan, no basis. Interlocking directorship is normal unless you can show anomaly in their actions.
    Villar is a businessman, he know what this presidential survey is used for = advertisement. That is why he no longer paid the subscription in the last part thus his ratings went down in the #2 spot to Estrada.

    Quote Originally Posted by badsekktor View Post
    last stretch na ng campaign! more or less may idea na tayo kung sino ang lalabas ngayong eleksyon... sorry na lang sa matatalo... wag sanang maging crybaby... better luck next time...
    Bakit naman sorry? may premyo ba pag nanalo ka? remember We All Lose if the incompentent candidate wins.



    206 years of Aquino-Cojuangco

    The Aquino family has been in public office for a total of 209 years for the last 112 years from Servillano Aquino, who was a Representative of Samar to the Malolos Congress in 1898, to Benigno Q. Aguino, Sr., who was a congressman, senator, and vice president during the Japanese occupation, to Benigno Aquino, Jr., to Corazon Aquino, Jose "Peping" Cojuangco, to Jesli A. Lapus, to Margarita "Tingting" Cojuangco, to Agapito "Butz" Aquino, to Hermie Aquino, Gilbert Teodoro, Nikki Teodoro and Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III.

    If this is the case, why then is there still corruption and poverty in our country? How is Tarlac? This is a fair question to ask.

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    #349
    Quote Originally Posted by kanamu View Post


    Bakit naman sorry? may premyo ba pag nanalo ka? remember We All Lose if the incompentent candidate wins.
    there will always be rewards for those who will win whatever race he entered.... and losers will always lose something

    we are all going to lose kung incompetent ang mananalo? so are you basing your success in life sa mananalo sa election? If that is how you see things eh kawawa ka naman.... masyado ka naging dependent sa mga kandidato natin kagaya ng mga masa na masyadong umasa sa gobyerno para sa kanilang ikaaasenso.

    Corruption has always been there and will always be! matanda pa yan sa kanunu-nunuan natin! Human nature na yan! Instilled na yan sa bawat isa sa atin kahit ikaw o ako man may tendency na maging corrupt if given the chance to do it. you cannot eradicate it, maybe lessen it. But with the things happening in our country, Do you really think na in an instant kayang baguhin ng isang pinuno ang buong gobyerno?

    Bakit Sorry? well naniniwala ka ba na talagang ang habol ng mga iyan eh maglingkod sa bayan? Gagastusan ng ilan bilyon para kunin ang malaking responsibilidad at maliit na sweldo para lang maglingkod sa bayan?

    Gusto nilang mapwesto kasi malaki ang benefits ng isang pulitiko! yun ay ang legal at hindi pa kasama ang illegal na benefits which is also much much higher than the legal benefits.... It is a syndicated crime, kahit pa saang bansa yan.... nagkataon lang na medyo garapal dito sa pilipinas dahil meron mga taong di marunong mahiya....


    Quote Originally Posted by kanamu View Post
    206 years of Aquino-Cojuangco

    The Aquino family has been in public office for a total of 209 years for the last 112 years from Servillano Aquino, who was a Representative of Samar to the Malolos Congress in 1898, to Benigno Q. Aguino, Sr., who was a congressman, senator, and vice president during the Japanese occupation, to Benigno Aquino, Jr., to Corazon Aquino, Jose "Peping" Cojuangco, to Jesli A. Lapus, to Margarita "Tingting" Cojuangco, to Agapito "Butz" Aquino, to Hermie Aquino, Gilbert Teodoro, Nikki Teodoro and Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III.

    If this is the case, why then is there still corruption and poverty in our country? How is Tarlac? This is a fair question to ask.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...d=225987507830
    again gaya ng sinabi ko! naniniwala pa rin ba kayo na kaya nagsisipagtakbuhan yan mga yan eh para maglingkod sa bayan at sa tao? Just remember your world history class and you would see that governance started not as public service but a way to manage the lands the landlord owns.... including the tenants and slaves and traders that live within his lands.

    About dynasties.... pera-pera usapan sa pamumulitika so kung sino ang may control ng resources... siya ang most likely to win.... pero meron din mga exceptions like padaca and panlilio pero yun exceptions na yun ay malabong maging norm

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Will you VOTE for Dick Gordon as RP President?