Things you need to know before idolizing marcos

[ClaNker]

Before governments rise, there's always vision. Why do you think the US won the Cold War? Why is Mao Zedong's socialist views so ingrained on the Communist Party?

The grass is only greener once you're reaping the benefits.

It was not the best for the country. His policies weren't the best after all. But which of the Presidents after him were any better? Vision gives progress -- let's just hope it's for the better. But without a vision, where does our typical Filipino stand?

:doh:

Too short indeed.

[jhnkvn]

Of course bias ako against Marcos, he bought the country to its knees for personal gain.

In your mind, you think infrastructure was a gamble. Really? It was a way to get debts and have his unlimited kick backs. As what niky said, what ROI?

And you believe the past two administration doesn't exploit taxpayers dollars and foreign aid for personal gain? Your ROI was that the project needed to be complete because if not it public unrest gains momentum. As the strongman, you won't like public unrest because halata naman sino may kasalanan. What about today? We have roads that.. you know.. with electrical posts in the middle and when the blaming comes -- si municipal council may fault! si Senator XX! si DPWH! si... lagi nalang fingerpointing and yet the post still stands. Such is our modern day progress.

The early posts were right. Marcos was simply centralized. The succeeding were decentralized. If you want the best for the Philippines, what's easier to remove?

[jhnkvn]

:doh:

Too short indeed.

And do you actually contribute to the discussion or too busy posting even shorter posts to boost post count? Like that post #61 "I told you so."

Hell.. who knew Retz had a padawan in the works? Butthurt indeed.

[[archie]]

You talk about justice and yet.. justice denied is no justice at all. Chance of justice works theoretically but when did you see a poor farmer win against a person with wealth and political connections?

Numbers are numbers -- how accurate are they? Essence is subjective? Mightily so. But look around you.. is the Philippines safer now compared to before? Try walking around the slums with an iPhone and other wealth-displaying items at hand. Safety during the Marcos era was selective -- depends on which side you are actually. And that still continues until today down to our micro- barangay levels where we have X candidate died and police are now looking at it as a politically-motivated killing. Is there much change? I daresay not. Unless the underlying fundamentals are changed, human right violations are here to stay and saying that the number is less doesn't change that it's done with impunity as it has been at the past.

No change because may killing pa rin. You refuse to acknowledge that there was no law back then. No warrant? No problem. Damput lang ng Damput.

Any safer? maybe not. But I can walk around with no fear kasi I spoke against the president. His power was absolute... Kahit nung Marcos era may criminals pa rin. And no, I would not take out an iPhone in the slums... I'm not stupid.

Walang change??!? O god... Killings in his time was a standard. No one was surprised. All you can do is mourn because there's a good chance hindi na babalik yung dinampot. No case against the person, pero can be subject to imprisonment or death.

Justice now is weak, justice back then was non existent.

[ClaNker]

And do you actually contribute to the discussion or too busy posting even shorter posts to boost post count? Like that post #61 "I told you so."

Hell.. who knew Retz had a padawan in the works? Butthurt indeed.

Oh my goodness, now he's intellectual.

Marcos regime Historical facts genius, stick to it. Marcos vision my ass.

[[archie]]

Limited to 6 years. Okay. What about continuing the previous administration's policies? If the governing policy is good then it makes sense to simply continue it. How come after 20+ years after the People Power's rally.. we're still suffering from a persistent power outage? Look at our LRT and how many people ride in and out of that. They can't even make a fiscally sound directive to spur investment towards it. Look at NAIA and the state of it. No airconditioning? No problem. No need for heads to roll.

Fact is our successive Presidents try to take credit of the benefit of the predecessor while lambasting their policies as better than the previous by undoing progress due to "corruption". It's always corrupt.. but damn it.. somebody rehabilitate that nuke plant which we are still using taxpayers for maintenance and use it to produce an economic benefit. That provides 2.5x the power of Angat Dam while still being cheaper and cleaner than coal plants.

As I've said marami wrong doings presidents or even politicians. Still can't compare for the regime of a single dictator. He had the advantage of continuing the progress but no, he continued to build and build for the sake of asking more debt.

[ClaNker]

As I've said marami wrong doings presidents or even politicians. Still can't compare for the regime of a single dictator. He had the advantage of continuing the progress but no, he continued to build and build for the sake of asking more debt.

Then 1983 came and CB had to declare that we don't have any money to pay our debts.

Damn Marcos Vision is one of a kind indeed.

Bigyan ng jacket!

[[archie]]

And you believe the past two administration doesn't exploit taxpayers dollars and foreign aid for personal gain? Your ROI was that the project needed to be complete because if not it public unrest gains momentum. As the strongman, you won't like public unrest because halata naman sino may kasalanan. What about today? We have roads that.. you know.. with electrical posts in the middle and when the blaming comes -- si municipal council may fault! si Senator XX! si DPWH! si... lagi nalang fingerpointing and yet the post still stands. Such is our modern day progress.

The early posts were right. Marcos was simply centralized. The succeeding were decentralized. If you want the best for the Philippines, what's easier to remove?

Yes, personal gain. Again, as I've said, marami wrong doings administrations after, not even near the destructive effects of the Marcos era. give me economical numbers the prove that it was just the same as the Marcos era ang economy.

Hmm... Or does data show otherwise?

[jhnkvn]

No change because may killing pa rin. You refuse to acknowledge that there was no law back then. No warrant? No problem. Damput lang ng Damput.

Any safer? maybe not. But I can walk around with no fear kasi I spoke against the president. His power was absolute... Kahit nung Marcos era may criminals pa rin. And no, I would not take out an iPhone in the slums... I'm not stupid.

Walang change??!? O god... Killings in his time was a standard. No one was surprised. All you can do is mourn because there's a good chance hindi na babalik yung dinampot. No case against the person, pero can be subject to imprisonment or death.

Justice now is weak, justice back then was non existent.

And is weak justice. Justice at all? Let's say somebody murdered your sister due to her voicing her opposition to a certain candidate. The court issues an arrest order two years later, trial began three years after that and even after several years of trials the court has still not concluded the trial. Is that justice? Justice is only applicable if it has been served.

In reality, the justice system has a shadow economy developed over time. In practice, everybody knows of its existence but it's usually just hushed about for fear of possible unwanted attention. Witnesses testify in fabricated cases and testimony in exchange for cash. We have remedies in place to prevent such unwanted practices but whether they apply in reality is another matter.

Just because you walk around without fear does not mean others equally are. What about those journalists who was given the scorn of local provincial politicians? Do you think they walk around without fear? I have a sister who's an award-winning journalist in Canada writing for the Vancouver Sun but she opts to write there rather than here because of how justice is served in the country. This is a shame really because her investigative journalism is absolutely lauded with plaques of recognition.

[[archie]]

And is weak justice. Justice at all? Let's say somebody murdered your sister due to her voicing her opposition to a certain candidate. The court issues an arrest order two years later, trial began three years after that and even after several years of trials the court has still not concluded the trial. Is that justice? Justice is only applicable if it has been served.

In reality, the justice system has a shadow economy developed over time. In practice, everybody knows of its existence but it's usually just hushed about for fear of possible unwanted attention. Witnesses testify in fabricated cases and testimony in exchange for cash. We have remedies in place to prevent such unwanted practices but whether they apply in reality is another matter.

Just because you walk around without fear does not mean others equally are. What about those journalists who was given the scorn of local provincial politicians? Do you think they walk around without fear? I have a sister who's an award-winning journalist in Canada writing for the Vancouver Sun but she opts to write there rather than here because of how justice is served in the country. This is a shame really because her investigative journalism is absolutely lauded with plaques of recognition.

Huwhaaaaat???! Are you serious?

Key here is non existent ang law dati. Pinatay ng police ngayon (at nahuli) ang tao na walang ginagawa, tanggal sa trabaho at may kaso. Dati damputin ang tao na walang ginagawa, ok lang nakangti pa police. All you can do is turn around.

Come on, walang pinagbago? Damn dude.