Gordon will!

[sgt_taga]

a few days and some pages ago, this thread was a very respectful and intelligent thread. thanks to some hard-core (to non transformers candidacy) posters, the quality of the discussions degraded.

guys, let's get this back on track. not fun anymore reading responses to the provocatively inaccurate and meaningless fallacy posts of these posters.

most of us think that walang kakwenta-kwenta naman yung mga pinagsasbi nung mga yun so wag na lang natin patulan. they're just not gonna stop and will continue to take this thread down the drain. naha-hijack na tong thread na to ng mga yan eh gaya nung pagsasawalang-kwenta nila dun sa mga threads about the candidates they're supporting.

[claRkEnt]

kahit ano gawin nyo, preceded ng decimal point yan! :rofl:

[safeorigin]

^which is also directly proportional to the number of people who use their cerebral cortex more than their diencephalon

[ajOT]

hey bro, the sauce for the goose is the sauce for the gander. Yung mga Gordon boys are bashing Noynoy supporters in Noynoy's thread and we, noynoy supporters aren't allowed to post our comments here in Gordon thread?
alright then; I do apologize if other Gordon supporters are bashing on your Presidentiable candidate.
Guyz, what am just pointing in here is that; let us know how to RESPECT an individual's choice of whom he would like to VOTE. And if you would like to put good thoughts about the candidate; then please do so, as it could help to choose the best person; but, if you would like to put negative post on the candidate, please also kindly post its credibility of that statement...


Wow, now I really see that dictatorship has no place in this country. No equal rule for the royal class and only good comment is allowed.
as much as possible, no dictatorship in the country again; as it had almost a traumatic experience for our country.

You're man.. truly deserves no vote because you reflect only the candidate you're campaigning.
huh? sorry but I dont get your point.

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[rael]

lesson for today: DEMAGOGUE

Demagogy or demagoguery (Ancient Greek δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos "people" and ἄγειν agein "to lead") is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public—typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes.

popular demagogues from past elections:
erap: "Erap Para Sa Mahirap"
FPJ: unfortunately (or was it fortunately?) she was allegedly cheated by GMA, so he didn't become president.

Poe accepted the nomination in December 2003 and was to be the standard opposition bearer for the Philippines' 2004 presidential election.[12] Some accounts portray him as a reluctant candidate who was only prevailed upon to accept the nomination by his best friend, former President Joseph Estrada. But other accounts say he was convinced to cast his bid for the presidency because of the overwhelming crowd that gathered for the first rally of the FPJ for President Movement at the Cuneta Astrodome in Pasay City.

there was no genuine conviction to lead, but he obviously saw the masa's support. did he try to take advantage? look again at how a demagogue is defined.

sadly, this "style" works in pinas. 1998, erap got 39%. in 2004, FPJ got 36%. roco who was the most respectable of them all got only 13% and 6.45% (yup, with a decimal point).

if we are an objective electorate, it's our responsibility to educate our fellow voters... regardless of whom we're rooting for.

so here's my humble challenge: bring this topic in your favorite candidate's thread (noynoy, villar, erap, gibo, gordon, etc.) and talk amongst yourselves (kapwa ka-supporter mo, para walang balyahan, asaran... that way the discussion becomes productive)... and then honestly ask and answer... is my candidate heavily using this strategy on me?

note that i used "heavily" because in one way or another, all of these candidates use this. the milder they use this, the less desperate they are.

to role model, since this is a gordon thread, what do you see in gordon's campaign that shows a hint of a demagogue?

my personal example: gordon hitting villar with bribery to have him quit... i think that's a demagogue of "hala, sige iboto nyo si villar, lagot kayo, corrupt yan." (from the definition, by appealing to the fears of the public)

for other candidates' supporters who are willing to take on this little challenge, let us know if you've started this topic in your threads. in my eyes, that's a sign of objectivity & maturity, and a kudos to you for taking the first step.

game?

[_Qwerty_]

The Vote: Richard Gordon

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

The Vote 2010: Richard Juico Gordon
(The Philippine Star) Updated March 09, 2010 12:00 AM

Presidential candidate Richard Gordon answers questions from STAR editors and reporters at The Philippine STAR office yesterday. VAL RODRIGUEZ

Richard Juico Gordon
Bagumbayan Campaign slogan: Pagbabago. Sigurado.
Born Aug. 5, 1945 in Castillejos, Zambales
Married to Kate Howell Gordon
Children: Ma. Renee Victoria (Marnie), Amanda Olivia (Ali), Leonard James (LJ), Brian Patrick (Brian), Lilibeth Acar, his ward rescued from a Palawan sea mishap
Elementary: Colegio de San Juan de Letran; Lourdes Catholic School, 1957
High school: Ateneo de Manila High School, 1962
College: Ateneo de Manila University – AB, Major in History and Government, 1966
Other degrees: University of the Philippines, College of Law – Bachelor of Laws
Parents: James Tagle Gordon and Amelia Juico Gordon
Major surgeries: None
Blood pressure: 130/80 (start of session); 130/90 (end of session)
Smoker? No.
Medications/vitamins. Hyzaar (for hypertension) and Vitamin C when I can get it
Ever consulted a psychiatrist? No.
Who are your advisers? Asked that no names be mentioned.
Who’s running your campaign?
My daughter Marnie and Dion de la Serna.
Campaign budget.
What campaign budget are you talking about?
How will you repay campaign donors, or recoup personal investments in your campaign?
I don’t believe in using personal funds in the campaign.
Who will be your first lady and what role will she play?
Kate. She’s been in public service.
Role of the vice president?
He (Bayani Fernando) is an engineer, so infrastructure. If it’s another VP, I’m prepared to work with him.
Cabinet appointments?
None yet.
Will any of your relatives serve as your confidential staff?
No.
Who is your fashion stylist/barber?
No stylist; barber in Olongapo but I don’t know his name.
Do you watch pirated DVDs?
No.

Economy/trade/finance

How will you increase FDI and local investments?
Fix the country’s social, physical, legal infrastructure.
What country is your model for economic development?
Singapore. Good port operators, industrial parks, roads.
How to lower power costs, improve energy security.
Government should be made to account for power shortage. Learn from mistakes of previous administrations.
Alternative energy policy.
Nuclear power.
Infrastructure priorities and how to fund them.
Break cycle of oligarchy controlling government before investing in infrastructure. Focus on good governance.
Economic sectors for priority development.
Tourism, agriculture, health, education, ICT, intellectual property. Handle corruption, war in Mindanao, climate change.
Are we ready for free trade?
No, but we have to be.
Sectors to be protected/subsidized?
The farmers.
OFW deployment - problem or benefit?
Both a boon and a bane. We get money from them, but at a social cost.
Lack of skilled workers here due to brain drain.
Require high school students to learn a trade by the time they graduate.
Mining and exploitation of natural resources.
Sustainable mining. Should send geologists to other countries to learn more about mining, take advantage of mineral resources.
Agricultural production, agribusiness, tourism.
Subsidize farmers. Upgrade services. Create packages for tourists. Reclaim boardwalk along Roxas Boulevard.
Agrarian reform.
Form cooperatives.
How will you stop smuggling?
Look at the importations and corresponding taxes. Have a 24/7 office of finance.

National Security

Attaining peace in Mindanao.
Prioritize employment and development to remove justification for rebellion.
AFP modernization.
Focus on improving Air Force and Navy. RP should build own ships using funds from expanded tax base.
Will you retain the CVOs?
No. Prefers regular forces.
Adopted member of a PMA class? Which one? Class 72.
With which other countries should RP have closer military alliances?
Favors engagement with neighbors particularly the strong ones. Should not act like a petulant child.
When the political leadership betrays the public trust, should the military intervene? No.
Corruption in the PNP/AFP?
Transparency in bidding and procurement is the answer.

Foreign Affairs

RP’s most important ally is...
The United States.
Which country should be a closer ally?
Friendship with all countries but we need to define what the national interest is, find out how much trade we can do with other countries. Trade, not aid.
Is China a threat, a challenge, a friend?
I don’t think China is an enemy. She’s a friend.
First foreign trip as President?
Whoever invites me. I will, however, prioritize the necessary travels meant to get investments.
RP-US relations under your administration.
More friendly, more firm.
Will you pursue the Philippine claim over Sabah?
Quietly.
Stand on the Spratlys issue.
We will maintain that. There should be cooperation in the effort in the Spratlys.

Education, Culture and Arts

Priorities in improving education.
Teachers are the key. Pay teachers P40,000 but they should deliver.
Additional years in grade school and high school?
Yes, but not now.
Free universal kindergarten?
Yes.
How do you improve English proficiency and how important is it in raising national competitiveness?
Pay the teachers well and you’re going to get English proficiency.
How do you improve national competitiveness?
I will encourage specimens, English or Science specimens, of the cream of the crop of schools.
Will arts and culture be a priority in your administration?
Definitely. History will be a priority.

Health care

Priorities in improving public health care.
Health Education Acceleration Program (HEAP). Raise the salaries of doctors to P50,000 provided they will work and serve in the provinces. Funding will come from text on tax.
Family planning/reproductive health.
Responsible and safe family planning. Free choice. No abortion. Quality population.
Keeping doctors, nurses and other health professionals home.
Raise their salaries so they won’t leave.
Reducing cost of medicine.
Expanded tax base. Make sure Filipinos have the capacity to buy. Get them health insurance.

Judiciary

Should SC powers be limited?
No. Leave it as it is.
Should GMA appoint the next chief justice, and will you respect the appointment?
She cannot. It is illegal.
Independence of the judiciary.
I will not interfere.
Will you invoke executive privilege, and under what circumstances?
Only in matters of national security, and maybe economic security. But not to avoid investigation.

Corruption

Transparency in government.
Ensure participation of the people. Have an office 24/7 so people can call and report wrongdoing. Government and people must be part of the process of change. Enact Whistleblower Law.
How will you deal with corruption.
I will say no. Corruption is not just about stealing, but also about efficiency. The law must be made to work, and act fast.
Prosecution of GMA for corruption.
Be my guest. Guilty or not guilty, we must have closure.
Marcos wealth recovery.
Abolish PCGG. Have the DOJ prosecute, including those in the PCGG. The US robbed us of investigating him. Again, we must have closure.

[_Qwerty_]

continuation...

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Human Rights

Murder of journalists and militants.
Command responsibility. Check our laws on motorcycles; crash helmet with plate number for both driver and rider. We did it in Olongapo, we could do it all over the country.
AFP/PNP respect for human rights.
Hold AFP and police responsible. The people gave them power and firearms and they should be responsible and answerable to us.
Economic rights over civil liberties.
Both.The answer is good governance.
Do we have too much freedom? Is democracy working for RP?
It’s very hard to tell... but we have to love democracy.
Is the RP press irresponsible? Have you been treated fairly by mass media?
Yes and no. AC-DC daw yung mga nasa baba... I was complaining earlier... I hope I don’t offend you but I have heard reports... You see I don’t practice “envelopmental” journalism. I guess the way to solve this is to raise their salary. I’m sorry about last time because I was exasperated... but I feel sad that the words I am saying are not given space.

Environment

How to deal with extreme flooding.
Education and resolution. Plan what interventions are needed. Practice evacuation/tsunami drills.
Policies on climate change.
Adaptation. Build more nuclear, hydroelectric plants. Technical intervention must be planned.
Logging/agroforestry/water management?
Massive reforestation. Build more hydroelectric plants and water catchments. Responsible water management.

Sports

Priority of sports development.
Yes. Sports teach us values. There must be a sports program in every school. Intramurals should be encouraged.
First-ever Olympic gold under your watch? How?
If Pacquiao could be a 7-time world champion, then we could do it. Sports program in this country is title-oriented. The job of leadership in sports or politics is to uplift the people.

What’s your stand on the following:

Charter change/parliamentary system
Yes. No.
Cha-cha mode.
Con ass. It’s cheaper.
Provisions to be revised.
Ombudsman should be elected, not appointed. Extend terms of local officials, to 6 years. President, maybe 4+4.
Federalism.
Not now.
VFA/US troops in Mindanao.
In favor.
RH bill/family planning/contraception.
Population should not be excuse for non-development. Free choice. No abortion.
Freedom of Information Act/Right of Reply.
Yes. Yes.
Divorce.
Limited divorce; don’t make it so easy.
Gay rights/gay marriage.
Rights, yes; co-ownership. Marriage, no.
Death penalty.
No.
What can we expect in your first 100 days.
You will feel the change on the first day.

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[Gen. Miting]

lesson for today: DEMAGOGUE

popular demagogues from past elections:
erap: "Erap Para Sa Mahirap"
FPJ: unfortunately (or was it fortunately?) she was allegedly cheated by GMA, so he didn't become president.

there was no genuine conviction to lead, but he obviously saw the masa's support. did he try to take advantage? look again at how a demagogue is defined.

sadly, this "style" works in pinas. 1998, erap got 39%. in 2004, FPJ got 36%. roco who was the most respectable of them all got only 13% and 6.45% (yup, with a decimal point).

if we are an objective electorate, it's our responsibility to educate our fellow voters... regardless of whom we're rooting for.

so here's my humble challenge: bring this topic in your favorite candidate's thread (noynoy, villar, erap, gibo, gordon, etc.) and talk amongst yourselves (kapwa ka-supporter mo, para walang balyahan, asaran... that way the discussion becomes productive)... and then honestly ask and answer... is my candidate heavily using this strategy on me?

note that i used "heavily" because in one way or another, all of these candidates use this. the milder they use this, the less desperate they are.

to role model, since this is a gordon thread, what do you see in gordon's campaign that shows a hint of a demagogue?

my personal example: gordon hitting villar with bribery to have him quit... i think that's a demagogue of "hala, sige iboto nyo si villar, lagot kayo, corrupt yan." (from the definition, by appealing to the fears of the public)

for other candidates' supporters who are willing to take on this little challenge, let us know if you've started this topic in your threads. in my eyes, that's a sign of objectivity & maturity, and a kudos to you for taking the first step.

game?

shucckss your post sounds so intellectual. keep it up pero sakit ulo ngaun grabeh

[rael]

*gen miting, sorry bro, hehe...

actually, pamilyar na tayo sa stratehiya na yan tuwing dadaan ang eleksyon. yan yung pananamantala ng kandidato sa kahinaan ng publiko sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng mabulaklaking pananalita, propaganda, at kung ano man na pwedeng pumukaw sa malambot na damdamin ng mamboboto.

nilagyan ko lang po ng label: demagogue... di ko lang alam kung ano katumbas nito sa filipino. siguro ang pinakamalapit ay "pang-uuto".

kung sino man ang kandidato natin, tuwing manonood at makikinig tayo ng mga patalastas, mga talumpati at pagsasalita sa mga forums, taasan na agad natin sila ng kilay, "hooo, inuuto mo ba ako?"

tapos pag sinabi nilang gagawin nila ito, gagawin nila iyon, pangako dito, pangako doon, taas pa rin ang kilay tanong natin, "sige nga, paano mo gagawin yan?"

kung ano ang paraan o solusyon nila, yan ang kilatisin... pag walang binanggit na paraan o solusyon, hala, baka di alam ang gagawin?

may saysay po ba?

[safeorigin]

meron naman saysay, kaso depende iyan sa respondent at kung papaano niya ito sasagutin at patutunayan.

[rael]

just in time: Comparison of Substance of Platforms of Aquino, Gordon, Villar, Perlas, and Obama

platforms should be written to answer the "how?"s. they shouldn't be vague; have to be specific as much as possible.

second point: i believe antipinoy.com is mostly for gordon, yet they can still see and acknowledge his weaknesses.

let's be objective about our favorites. identify what's real and what's not real.

[safeorigin]

hmmm... I find it funny how 1 user concluded that everybody from that site are gordon supporters

things are getting more obvious in the interwebs

[rael]

i'm sorry, bro, but you probably were in a hurry in reading my post:

i believe antipinoy.com is mostly for gordon

how 1 user concluded that everybody from that site are gordon supporters

no harm done.

[safeorigin]

I read that ofc. What's funny is how that certain post reminded me of somebody else'


and aye, that site is almost impossible to troll so no harm done

though a number of regular AP members have been banned elsewhere. Talk about censorship from reality

[rael]

How To Pick A Candidate

[safeorigin]

dude, post links once >.>

[tabularasa]

Kindly comment. It seems he has no respect for the law. Tsk tsk. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

[4JGtootsie]

Someone has commented on it.
He has a point.

[tabularasa]

Someone has commented on it.
He has a point.

who and where?

[rael]

*tabularasa, if that's a real violation of election rules, gordon must pay. nobody should be excused.

again, let's demonstrate our objectivity. we must not be loyalists to our favorite candidates, else we'll close our eyes to reality...

nobody in our presidential choices is perfect. if you feel that yours is, you have to do some serious reflection... you have lost your capacity for critical thinking... don't hope for any political messiah.