Digong, The President

[ClaNker]

Mas maiging ignore nyo na lang yan peps. Captain obvious ang laro nyan. Sirang plaka na.

Ang lantarang bastosan lang ang bago sa pulitika ni dutiti.

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[jut703]

Move forward daw

Oh yeah I can move forward

When his term his up he's going to jail

Think they gonna let the happen?

They have 4 years to alter the course future history

Change the constitution, change the form of govt, whatever

2022 election may never happen

They got plans

They gonna dismantle the Aquino (1986) legacy

Si Erap pa lang naman yung presidenteng nakulong kasi medyo bobs. [emoji23]

Anyway, again, alam na rin ng lahat ng tao dito na gusto ng Duterte admin na patagalin yung pananatili nila sa pwesto. Wala nang bago sa sinabi mo.

So what's your point? Walang clear action step eh.

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[Flipo]

how the past admin treated Renato Corona (an INC member) and the INC

fast forward to today

the admin is determined to impeach Aquino-appointed Sereno

INC head given govt position

what's happening?

payback

I don't think Renato Corona is a member of INC, but his lawyer Serafin Cuevas was a prominent member.

Payback, yes because INC felt slighted and humiliated after their protest in EDSA was dispersed after the place has stink and unbearable for their religious bullying, and the removal of NBI Director Magtanggol Gatdula for being implicated in kidnap for ransom case.

That's why you see the vigorous activities of INC prominent lawyers Topacio, party list representative in hounding Sereno. De Lima, Pnoy, etc.

[kisshmet]

Oo nga eh paulit-ulit na. Hindi tanga mga tao dito, they got the point the first few times you repeated it around 200 pages ago. In case you haven't noticed, we're now closer to the midterm elections in 2019 than the 2016 elections.

All you're rambling about is why the 16M voted for Duterte. They hate the current set of rulers, they're willing to tolerate whatever crass attitude the new set of officials have. Okay, got it, done.

Can we move on to the present and have a pragmatic discussion on the current government's performance?

Now, almost 2 years into the administration, many of the campaign promises have been empty. I won't even entertain the noise that comes out of his mouth - just the actions and their repercussions.

Instead of jetskiing to Scarborough and asserting our sovereignty, Duterte has been way too friendly with the Chinese - the inaction on the actions of China regarding Benham Rise is the latest among them. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the government is opening up the country for the Chinese in exchange for economic deals.

It would've been fine if China had a good track record with the countries it loans to. But again, it's obvious that it isn't just an economic agreement - there are always strings attached, and in this case, China basically wants the Philippines to be their bitch. And this government is very much open to that, at the expense of our sovereignty.

Instead of ending the drug problem in 6 months, the administration has instead waged a war on the poor, disregarded due process, and let the bigtime druglords escape scot-free. After over 10,000 have been killed, the drug problem is still there, and all you really have is a heightened culture of impunity among the police force.

Instead of bringing good change to the government and ridding it of corruption, this administration simply came with a new set of corrupt and self-serving thugs. The epitome would be Alvarez - his actions are akin to giving you a slap on your face, followed by, "o ano, papalag ka?"

What I think is the most dangerous move of the government right now is the unabashed and deliberate act of consolidating power and ensuring that they will remain as the ruling party for a long time. All of this is masked under the push for federalism.

The issue is not the system of government - whether it's unitary or federal, if you've got corrupt and self-serving feudal lords running the country, you still don't solve the problem. In fact, federalism will further empower the entrenched regional political dynasties, allowing them to all become Ampatuans in the future.

If the admin's plan comes to fruition (which is likely given how they bulldoze everyone who goes in their way), you basically allow the current set of officials to run the country undisturbed for at least the next 10 years, as specified in the transition guidelines being put forth.

What makes it even more problematic is that despite this bleak outlook for the country, the president still enjoys a +75 net trust rating. They are able to sustain this by employing clever machinery to continuously demonize the previous administration, implying that everything wrong with this country was the past admin's fault, and only he can save this country.

Again looking at it pragmatically, if you want to dismantle this grand plan of consolidating power into authoritarian rule under Duterte and his goons, two key things have to happen - 1) the Filipino people must not allow charter change to push through via the plebescite, and 2) the Filipino people must break the supermajority by voting senators, congressmen, and local officials that aren't lapdogs and yes-men of Duterte.

For that to happen, the majority of the Filipinos must oppose the plans set forth by the administration. One way to look at this is to remember that at its peak during the elections, only 16M voted for Duterte, which does not comprise a majority. Now with all the muck-ups of the government, it can be assumed that should it come down to a vote, less than 16M will vote affirmatively to charter change.

If we want to make a real impact and further increase the base of people opposing the government's plans, it must happen by changing the minds of those within our sphere of influence. What must be clear is that social media trolls are not part of our sphere of influence. Whether paid hacks or real but brainwashed people, you can't possibly engage in meaningful discourse with them with the end result of changing their minds.

Instead, have real conversations with the people around you - your friends, family, workers, staff, etc. The key is to not feed the divisiveness. The only way to get someone to agree with you is to first establish that you are on the same side. That side should be the side that aspires for a better future for this country for the current and future generations.

As the popular song says, "Hindi pula't dilaw ang tunay na magkalaban."

Now, if the cha-cha pushes through and the plebiscite ratifies it, and if this administration finds itself in power for the next decade, then there's not much we can do but fend for ourselves and our families. The rich, influential, and upwardly-mobile will most likely still find themselves on the top of the food chain regardless of what happens in the political sphere. It's the poor and marginalized that are more affected by what's to come.

Here's to hoping that the Philippines makes it through and actually emerges better off after all is said and done in this chapter of Philippine government.

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The current admin wants the plebiscite to ratify the revision of the 1986 constitution to happen during barangay elections because votes are counted manually (mas madaling dayain)

Remember when marcos revised the 1935 constitution, they merely asked the people they consulted if they were HUNGRY. and at a snap of a photo with all hands raised it was projected as a resounding approval of the marcos constitution

So its not the system, its the people who run the system will make it better for the boat we filipinos ride in.

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[minicarph]

Move forward daw

Oh yeah I can move forward

When his term his up he's going to jail

Think they gonna let the happen?

They have 4 years to alter the course future history

Change the constitution, change the form of govt, whatever

2022 election may never happen

They got plans

They gonna dismantle the Aquino (1986) legacy

putin is also autocratic. This russian president benchpresses 100 kilos everyda and he is autocratic. To the rest of the world, he is a thug. Just like myPres and Donald trunp. There is a new world order going to happen. And these are the stepping stone leaders, for some reason, the roght wing militas, the white supremacists and the Conservstive Christians have mellowed down in the US coz of Teump's win. That's a good thing coz we may have averted war.

Ang problema kasi sa mga Aquino and the yellows. They want the Canadian leader, pacure, pa-jogging with instagram ready outfit yub Treadeu ba yun. Imagine mo nagpunta dito inuna jollibee picture taking. So F! Pa-cute.

We dont need leaders like the aquinos and the treadeus in the new world order.

People are empowered thru the internet. And whenever there is a new technology , people tend to become anarchis we need leaders like mypres, trump, putin to keep all of these people in line. Yes yun mga daldal lang wala naman action. Who are these voices. I can profile them if you want: homo***uals. Housewives, mga babae / lalaki / bakla na Matataba, and those people na kulang sa expression but do gooders kuno and they ineed to somehow express themselves in everything that will make then look good

True leaders are never really well- loved, they can even sacirifice their reputaation for the good of all. I never saw that in the Aquinos na puros pa-pogi o pabait-bait.

Sometimes the situation the biggest challenge is for you to be wronged or misunderstood and you have to keep going becuasw that is gods purpose for you.

The supporters of Aquino are those jews who killed Jesus Christ. he did not fit their persona of a god or leader, kasi nga ang gusto nila sa society nila noon safe and walang risk, kain kain lang ng grapes dyan. Pa-cute pa-cute conio conio eh tapos meron isang tao sinasabi sa kanila mali.

[Yatta]

Some people have no vision beyond just getting their lump of flesh.

[Ry_Tower]

Some people have no vision beyond just getting their lump of flesh.

Very unfortunate indeed. So selfish and inconsiderate.

[uls]

OB

the US is rotting from within

Autocrats around the world are rising

The world's policeman is tired

The US no longer has the energy (figurative) to go around the world toppling governments they don't like

after being weighed down by Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... the US is tired

They couldn't do anything about Syria

They couldn't do anything about Crimea and Ukraine

Forget about Europe

Western civilization is on the decline

And people here are hoping the West will rescue the Phils. from du30?

good luck

[Wh1stl3r]

Absolutely agree. We should expect them not to be vindictive instead be focused on the good of the country.

PNoy's aggression with PGMA and this current admin's crucifixion of PNoy is proof that "pointing fingers" just won't work. The country will just suffer mo. Sana pati supporters maisip din yan. Sana.

I can still remember rolling my eyes when he was still blaming the past admin 5 years into his own.

What stands out to me right now is that some supporters of the current admin are using the wrongs of the past to rationalize the wrongs of the present.

Sure we can learn from the past, pero kung may nasusunog ba ngayon sa bahay natin paguusapan pa ba yung sunog na nangyari dati? Siguro unahin muna natin patayin yung sunog ngayon.

How dare you use common sense in a thread about politics (gasp)! Que horror!

(kidding)

They should come up with a different term for it. "Uncommon sense" seems to fit better. ☺

[Yatta]

I can still remember rolling my eyes when he was still blaming the past admin 5 years into his own.

What stands out to me right now is that some supporters of the current admin are using the wrongs of the past to rationalize the wrongs of the present.

Sure we can learn from the past, pero kung may nasusunog ba ngayon sa bahay natin paguusapan pa ba yung sunog na nangyari dati? Siguro unahin muna natin patayin yung sunog ngayon.



They should come up with a different term for it. "Uncommon sense" seems to fit better. ☺

Wala naman kasi talagang pagbabago. gaya nito:

[leonleon]

So its not the system, its the people who run the system will make it better for the boat we filipinos ride in.

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Yup, it's definitely not the system.

Kahit ano pa porma ng gobyerno, kung sila sila pa rin, sila lang makikinabang.

Parang tsikot yan.

Ke, Jaguar, Lexus, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Hyundai o Foton pa yan, kung yung nagmamaneho / nagapapatakbo eh psycho, disgrasya pa din ang aabutin.

Lahat ng kampon ni psycho isa lang ang gusto - mapanatili silang lahat sa pwesto until the end of time.

Forever.

Yan ang grand plan.

Trapos will be trapos, ke promdi yan o taga Manila, ke disente yan o balasubas.

[jut703]

Yup, it's definitely not the system.

Kahit ano pa porma ng gobyerno, kung sila sila pa rin, sila lang makikinabang.

Parang tsikot yan.

Ke, Jaguar, Lexus, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Hyundai o Foton pa yan, kung yung nagmamaneho / nagapapatakbo eh psycho, disgrasya pa din ang aabutin.

Lahat ng kampon ni psycho isa lang ang gusto - mapanatili silang lahat sa pwesto until the end of time.

Forever.

Yan ang grand plan.

Trapos will be trapos, ke promdi yan o taga Manila, ke disente yan o balasubas.

Yep exactly. So we have to do our part to ensure that perpetual power isn't handed to the administration. Time and time again, the percentage of voter turnout for the middle and upper classes is lower compared to the masses. Perhaps because we are less vulnerable to whichever way the government goes, but that's irresponsible use of our suffrage.

Again, it's not red vs yellow. If the LP were ruling today and pushed for charter change and no elections, I'd be just as vehemently against that as well. Kaya wag tayong magpabilog sa false dichotomies. [emoji106]

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[leonleon]

Sad to say fariñas was said to be one of the brightest students of his generation. Bordering on genuis nga daw. Iyon nga lang may thug life mentality kasi nga iyan ang kinalakihan na niya sa ilocos

You just can imagine the self-entitlement of political families like those of fariñas et al when and if the change to federalism is enacted into law

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We will all be in deeper SH1T if they get their way with federalism.

[DenNix]

The way I see it, many of the DDS are fanatics of the president. And questioning the actions and policies of DU30 is taboo to them, they will rather make excuses and create an interpretation on their own to justify their Idol's obviously faulty actions.

Babaero, mamatay tao, bastos, ect ect = OK lang yan, idol eh.


Example:

Topic Area: China's militarization of features within our EEZ
Logical Approach: By Mandate the president should lead a protest, exhaust all LEGAL means to pressure China to follow the rule of law. Seek diplomatic and peaceful resolution of the issue.
DU30's Approach: Befriend China, allow them to do what they want, stop the protest - on the notion or imagination that war will happen and that we cannot win the war.

Analysis of DDS: Tama ito, di tayo mananalo sa CHina sa Giyera, pupulbusin mga sundalo natin. Kung gusto nyo kayo at mga dilawan ang ilagay sa frontlines, kayo maki giyera doon. Pwede naman mag share sa resources, maliit na isla lang yan, madami pa tayong nagyan, di kawalang yan.

Rebuttal to this analysis: Wala pang giyera, parang mumu, wala naman eh, pero mga ka DDS natakot na agad. We can fight China's aggression diplomatically kasi nasa diplomasya po ang alas natin - we are member of the UN, UNCLOS, member of ASEAN, has MDT with US - these facts placed us in a good position to deter Chinese armed invasion over those islets. The international community knows these, that if China goes over the line, China will pay dearly and it will cause more harm to them than to us.

Reply of DDS: Fake news, mga bopols kayo naniniwala sa rappler, change topic.

Me: Kamot na lang sa Kidney

[leonleon]

nobody complained when PNoy was driving a 911

-

Wrong.

There was public furor.

Kaya nga "binenta" niya agad yung 911 na yun.

At least he was "sensitive" and "sensible" enough to have disposed of it asap.

[leonleon]

According to at least 2 fairly smart congressmen he is one of the brightest guys there. With his misplaced self entitlement that makes him a lot more dangerous unfortunately.

And how long has he been in power?

Too long.

Wala pa federalism niyan ha.

Marcos, Cory, FVR, Erap, GMA, PNoy, and now Psycho.

Too long indeed.

[leonleon]

i know from Ilocos Norte si Farinas

He's PDP-Laban like Pantaleon Alvarez so it makes little difference

Prior to being with PDP-Laban, Farinas was with NP, then LP.

Yes, dilawan din siya dati.

Whichever party offers him political convenience, doon siya.

In short, TRAPO siya.

And he's made good of himself by being a TRAPO.

[shadow]

Prior to being with PDP-Laban, Farinas was with NP, then LP.

Yes, dilawan din siya dati.

Whichever party offers him political convenience, doon siya.

In short, TRAPO siya.

And he's made good of himself by being a TRAPO.

Siya pa nga yata ang Lead counsel sa impeachment ni Corona yata


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[stayhungry]

Different strap. Same watch. Mali parin oras.


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Stay hungry. Stay humble.

[leonleon]

Yep exactly. So we have to do our part to ensure that perpetual power isn't handed to the administration. Time and time again, the percentage of voter turnout for the middle and upper classes is lower compared to the masses. Perhaps because we are less vulnerable to whichever way the government goes, but that's irresponsible use of our suffrage.

Again, it's not red vs yellow. If the LP were ruling today and pushed for charter change and no elections, I'd be just as vehemently against that as well. Kaya wag tayong magpabilog sa false dichotomies. [emoji106]

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Exactly.

We cannot let our guard down especially as this administration and its misguided suppporters have shown us that it is hell bent on mowing down everyone and everything that is critical of its actions.

Daming fake news and conspiracy theories just to confuse and sow division.

We should learn to filter.

This quote is again very timely:

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.

The manna of popular liberty must be gathered each day or it is rotten.

The living sap of today outgrows the dead rind of yesterday.

The hand entrusted with power becomes, either from human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary enemy of the people.

Only by continued oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot; only by unintermitted agitation can a people be sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.”