Digong, The President

[rowmann1223]

Nakakatakot pala maging presidente itong si Digong. Nakikita na sa mga dutertards dito

[Juan Martinez]

Tama ba ako atty JM. double standard noh?


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bro shadow, tama. for the first time, nagkatugma yung pananaw natin ☺

at least, we don't call each other names.

[minicarph]

D ba pwede mag-kaaway kayo kahit make believe Lang kasi matatapos 'tong thread kagad

[Jfox]

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hahaha. very funny. thanks for making me laugh. andaming ipokrito. anyway it dont matter.

[Jfox]

D ba pwede mag-kaaway kayo kahit make believe Lang kasi matatapos 'tong thread kagad

gawa ka ng topic yung paano i manage ang emotion asynchronous to intellect.

[jut703]

hahaha. very funny. thanks for making me laugh. andaming ipokrito. anyway it dont matter.

Show me a post in this thread where I acted like a hypocrite and called you or anyone else names. [emoji4]

Better be quick...you'll never know when it's the last time you get to log in. [emoji14]


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hahaha. very funny. thanks for making me laugh. andaming ipokrito. anyway it dont matter.

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[dr. d]

election fever is officially here!
... they (the candidates) drag out from the bottom of the barrel, "issues" which, normally, no one would even bother with...

[170kphlang]

wala ba tayo online poll dito sa tsikot for the presidential candidatesfor and vps?

[makyong]

I close nyo na kaya tong thread na to. Tempers are flaring, shots fired. Wala ng good use for any discussion tong thread na to.

Correct.
The last time i checked this thread, yung isang member-puro mura. And now, here's another one. Papano na kung lahat tayo nag attend ng 2015 grand EB at napag usapan ang topic nato? Malamang sa malamang, may nag "suntukan or nag sampalan" na. Dito pa lang may nakikipag away na eh[emoji57]

[jut703]

Something I hope diehards (of all candidates, but Duterte's supporters seem noticeably more rabid than others) will read:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/marty...53806841317658

Dear Duterte Supporter, learn to say “Yes, with reservations.”
Marty Gonzaga

Dear Hardcore Duterte Supporter,

This isn’t a post about Duterte. This is a post about you.

Yes, you. The guy who defends him on Rappler articles saying, “Di bale kung babaero siya. Anong kinalaman ng personal life niya sa pagiging competent na presidente?” The guy who sends anonymous death threats because Gab Valenciano holds a contrary opinion. The one who Carlos Celdran calls ‘delusional and lazy’.

For the record, you don’t deserve the name calling. Labeling you a ‘Dutertard’ is immature and doesn’t add value to the electoral discourse. It’s not going to convince you to stop supporting your candidate. If anything, insulting you only empowers you. It makes you feel like a martyr. An underdog. It adds fuel to your fire.

Besides, I think I understand you. I really do.

You’re tired. Tired of coming home past nine after being stuck in two hours of traffic. Tired of having to double-check your pockets when walking through crowds. Tired of having to wrap your luggage in plastic at the entrances of NAIA. Tired of hearing promises of change. Tired of the same names with nothing to show for it.

Macapagal. Roxas. Marcos. Aquino. Binay. Macapagal. Roxas. Marcos. Aquino. Binay. Like spokes on a wheel: “This one’s on top. Then this one’s on top. And on, and on, and on.”

Duterte, like Daenerys Targaryen, isn’t going to stop the wheel. He’s going to break the wheel. With his no bullsh*t and take-no-prisoners attitude, Duterte’s a breath of fresh air in the circus of Philippine politics. “Finally, a politician with balls who will bring real change!”

I know how easy it is to feel desperate in times like these. It’s easy to be swayed by powerful rhetoric. It’s easy to trust our gut and to vote with our feelings. It’s how we’re wired as people. As a marketer, my entire profession is built around the idea that consumers buy brands that tug at the heartstrings. And Duterte’s brand? It doesn’t just tug at your heartstrings; it sets your tired, desperate, and angry soul ablaze.
And you’ve thought about this too, I know. It’s not just your voting with your emotions. I admit, he’s had smart moments. While I won’t be voting for him, I can definitely get behind federalism and decentralizing the Manila-focused economy. And I believe you when you say that Davao flourished under his term. That’s why even I don’t care that he swears a lot. ‘Substance over form’ nga naman.

Because you want him to win so badly, you defend him against all his detractors and critics. To you, Duterte is the Philippines’ last, best hope. And maybe Duterte is the best. Maybe. That isn’t the point.

The point is that it’s possible to vote for and agree with someone without agreeing with everything that comes out of his mouth as if it’s the Gospel truth. No candidate is perfect, not even the best ones.

Sabi nga ni Alma Moreno, “Yes...with reservations.” (Pills!)

You can agree with 50-, even 60-, or 70% of what he says AND still call him out angrily whenever he says something stupid. Saying something stupid doesn’t make him stupid.

But overlooking the bad things that (allegedly) good people do is how tyrants are born. It’s your job as his supporter to keep him and his power in check. Real friends don’t let their friends do stupid things. #intervention

More importantly, as a Filipino citizen, you deserve to ask more from your candidate. He will never be perfect, but that shouldn’t change the fact that you should be demanding continuous improvement. We deserve nothing less from the highest office in the land. For Duterte to say “take me or leave me” is bratty, immature, and arrogant. Wala siyang room for improvement, ganon? But I digress.

I’m not going to beg you not to vote for him. I think the arguments for why we shouldn’t elect a womanizing, human rights abuser (by his own admission) into office have been said. If you haven’t been convinced by any of those yet, then I really don’t think anything I can say will (though it won’t stop me or others from trying).

At the very least, I will ask you to say “Yes” to Duterte...with reservations.

1. I ask that you turn your “Competent naman siya kaya okay lang kung babaero siya.” into a “Competent siya, pero hindi sana hindi na siya maging babaero. Or mag-sorry man lang siya.”

Calling him out for being an unapologetic womanizer isn’t just an irrelevant attack on his personal life. It speaks of being complicit to the internalized misogyny of Philippine society - an issue he should be cognizant of as an aspiring head of state. I hate that I have to repeat this, but it says a lot when a male candidate will get a surge in the polls for being perceived as macho for having multiple girlfriends. A woman with two boyfriends would be called a pokpok and hated. If that isn’t the definition of outright ***ism, then ewan ko nalang.

2. I ask that you say yes to being tough on crime, but demand that your candidate find a way to do so without resorting to vigilante justice that bypasses due process.

As hard as it is to imagine, it isn’t discipline or human rights. It’s discipline AND human rights. Go to (or at least read about) life in Western Europe, and you’ll see it’s possible.
In the first place, the threat of death penalty doesn’t even reduce crime rates, according to Amnesty International (Source: Our Human Rights Work | Amnesty International USA...). And ‘teaching kids a lesson’ by sending minors to jail (yes, Duterte said that) does more harm than good. According to UNICEF, a ‘first-time offender’ kept out of jail is EIGHT times more likely to change and becoming an honest, productive citizen than those who go to jail. (Source: UNICEF - Sorry - Page not found...) And all this assumes that Duterte (and the guns he hires) have King Solomon-like wisdom and that he’s never wrong about who he chooses to kill in the name of safety and security. Even with due process, the courts have been wrong. What more when the trial is done away with entirely? Besides, be consistent: remember when you prayed for Mary Jane Veloso when she was being falsely accused of being a drug mule?

*not to mention the fact that Duterte’s "iron fist" seems to only apply to poor, small-time petty criminals with no access to lawyers. Big-time criminals like GMA get ‘house arrest’ and are ‘innocent until proven guilty' (but, again, I digress).


3. I ask that you continue to be proud of what Duterte has accomplished in Davao. But I also ask you to challenge the idea that (1) Duterte did it all by himself - without the cooperation and willingness of the citizens of Davao and without support from national initiatives and (2) Duterte can replicate Davao’s success nationwide (where the issue is far more complex than just instituting a centralized 911 and eliminating petty crimes).

Sabi nga ni Binay, “I will make all cities as rich as Makati.” We all know that’s impossible, so why is it so hard to challenge the feasibility of Duterte making all cities as safe as Davao?

If you’re going to vote for Duterte, then fine. We will agree to disagree. But please vote for him on the belief that he will grow up and mature in office. Vote for Rody Duterte 2.0, a candidate who can bring order and discipline while respecting our fundamental human rights. A Rody Duterte that understands why unapologetic womanizing is two steps back for feminism.

If his most ardent supporters, don’t call him out on his flaws, then who else will he listen to? Defending his flaws empowers him to say, I was voted in because of being a womanizer instead of in spite of being a womanizer. It legitimizes what is blatantly wrong.

I’m not asking you to vote for Roxas, Poe, Defensor-Santiago, or Binay. All I ask is that you accept constructive criticism thrown your candidate's way. If and when you tick the box that says DUTERTE, RODRIGO on election day, please say “yes” with reservations.

[Juan Martinez]

wala ba tayo online poll dito sa tsikot for the presidential candidatesfor and vps?

good idea. for me, it's a toss between robredo and cayetano. but, honestly, i lean towards the former, not because she is the better candidate, but i remember cayetano badgered iqbal during the mamasapano senate inquiry and lost his mind.

BTT

roxas is at the nadir. why would digong, who's leading the pack, pick on somebody na naghihingalo na? nasa lupa na tinatadyakan mo pa.

next year the dynamics will change. people would look at mar roxas very differently, especially so if he takes on the role of a gentleman na palaban. not only people love a winner, they also love a fighter.

[minicarph]

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I kinda like him. Oh well, at least *glenn's back.

[sirLancelot]

I love how you guys provide a healthy argument by provoking, name calling and being close minded.

Keep up the good work guys *sarcasm intended*

[niky]

Here's a question, when has it ever been the standard for Filipinos to introduce themselves as, "I finished my undergraduate studies in Ateneo/UP"?

It is always, "I graduated from Ateneo/UP".

If you wanna be more specific, you can say, "I graduated from JGSOM/Engg". Noone really says that, but it's not wrong.

An Ateneo MBA grad can also say he graduated from Ateneo, though locally, when someone asks, "saan ka gumraduate?" it's a question that usually asks where you went to college.

I don't understand why diehard Duterte loyalists can't just admit that it was a major blunder on his part. Instead, they try to be technical and say that you can only be a Wharton graduate when you literally took graduate studies in Wharton. You can graduate from elementary, high school, college (or undergrad if you wanna be politically correct), and postgrad (masters/doctorate).

In the same token, can you also say that Duterte did not graduate from Lyceum?

Wharton offers both undergrad and MBA programs. More than half Wharton undergrads never take up an MBA anymore, so I don't see where you got the idea that a Wharton education is only valid when you complete both undergrad and MBA programs.

And no, Harry Potter did not complete his undergraduate studies in Hogwarts (this whole analogy is technically incorrect because Hogwarts is more akin to a high school rather than a college/university). Harry Potter is not a Hogwarts undergraduate, he is a Hogwarts dropout.


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The funny thing is... after seeing how many people bought it, Duterte is running with the "You can't call yourself a Wharton Graduate because you only finished an Undergraduate program"

Considering Duterte supposedly has a Bachelor of Law, that's an absolutely ridiculous thing for him to be saying.

At this point, Roxas can't win the argument, Duterte is playing the crowd in true Trump fashion. Feed his fans bull and they'll gobble it up.

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Despite my misgivings over his human rights records, I used to hold an admiration for Duterte as a straight shooter.

At this point, however, he's coming across as an arrogant arse who'll say anything to get a sound bite in.

C'mon, Rody... take a cue from Trump: bluster and rhetoric will only get you so far before people get tired of it. Better to simply focus on what you plan to do rather than to get involved in a flamewar with your opponents.

[Walter]

Duterte tells Comelec: I can accept your decision on DQ case | Inquirer News

Duterte vows to go to SC against any challenge to presidential bid | Inquirer News

[radz15]

Para sakin ang ibig sabihin ni duterte na hindi Graduate si mar sa Wharton dahil undergrad lang sya. Kumbaga Graduate si mar as undergrad hindi Graduate as MBA graduate. Para kasi kay duterte at sa mga loyalist hindi ka tunay na Graduate sa Wharton pag hindi ka nag masteral. :Twak2:



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[H1Tman]

For a while and based on Duterte's own statements on TV, I thought he did not care whether he is disqualified, loses the election, whatever.

So why run if it doesn't matter whether you win or lose?

[5000rpm]

Look forget about CHR, iba nga ang trabaho nyan.

Responsibilidad ng municipalities ang peace and order. Don't go about blaming the CHR, kung natutulog ang mayors at ka pulisan sa kangkongan. Why do you think digong became so popular?

Now regarding petty crimes which makes up a huge pie of the peace and order picture, most victims don't pursue cases against them dahil sayang lang ang oras. So the cops have no option but to let them go. It becomes a cycle.

Davao ang probinsya ko matagal na ako dito sa Luzon. If you think Davao is crime free you're wrong, rampant petty crimes lang ang inayos ni digong. Kunti lang ang pinag bago ng Davao economic wise.

Digong cannot fix this country with a bullet.

Most victims don't pursue the case against them dahil sayang lang ang oras... kasi sad to say, inutil ang mga law enforcers, and its all about due process, due process that takes forever.. criminal nakapatay -> napatay ng pulis -> pulis maququestion ng CHR even if the suspects are caught red handed -> pag nahuli ng buhay -> goes to jail -> bail -> free again.. and yun na nga, it becomes a cycle.. in which the innocents are getting the worst of it.. that is why in my opinion a lot are into vigilante killings, na alam kong has a very thin line from being wrong..

I know davao is not crime free... bangkerohan, boulevard.. to name a few.. but atleast I feel safer walking the street of davao far more than in manila.. I have even welcomed the thought before of having duterte as manila's mayor.. because I myself know what davao is compared to manila.. economic wise, davao is getting there, may mga call centers na din, SM and ayala malls..

What good is a booming economy when the one that will benefit the most are the corrupt officials and not the country anyway?

And yes, I know davao, it's my second home.. dugay na ko sa manila, pero bisdak gihapon... peace...

[shadow]

Duterte tells Comelec: I can accept your decision on DQ case | Inquirer News

Duterte vows to go to SC against any challenge to presidential bid | Inquirer News

Hahaha. Ang walang isang salita.


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