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    #1861
    Sara Duterte slams ‘wild chismis’ in Tulfo column

    Paano na mga DDS ayaw na sa mga tulfo?

    Meron na bago pag word pag Uto-uto "tulfohin" [emoji23]


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipo View Post
    Surveys
    DEMAND AND SUPPLY - Boo Chanco - The Philippine Star
    October 27, 2021 | 12:00am

    There are surveys and there are those pretending to be surveys. It is election season and posting numbers indicating likely voting preferences generates social media clicks and traditional media attention.

    People, however, get terribly confused. It is easy to fall victim to those who just want to create impressions for their clients.

    I was required to study statistics and had some units in communications research in college. I also had to deal with market research findings while working in advertising and public relations. I have a good appreciation of what the numbers say and don’t say. But today, we will take it from an expert to explain what it is all about.

    My expert is Dr. Jose Ramon “Toots” Albert who formerly headed the National Statistics Office. He is a professional statistician and a research fellow at the PIDS. He is just about one of the best resource persons on surveys.

    Dr. Albert will deliver a lecture today at the Ateneo and he was gracious enough to let me take a peek so I can share his observations on the topic: “Survey Says or Not?” Almost all the views in this column today are his, and hopefully I do not misrepresent or misinterpret any.

    Not all surveys are created equal. The surveys I trust are those that were scientifically designed and undertaken by trusted academics and professionals with reputations to protect. For me, it is Social Weather Stations and Pulse Asia.

    But new survey outfits mushroom around election time. We have to be cautious about the validity of the numbers they present.

    Dr. Albert said he was recently asked about a street-based survey claiming to have picked respondents randomly off the streets.

    A good survey must have random sampling, but the random selection method must follow a scientific protocol. This random man-on-the street survey is not random enough for a survey to be trusted and to be useful.

    “Going out on the street and randomly picking people will not work to get a national reading or even a reliable reading of those areas because not every voter in a city may pass through the street,” Dr. Albert explained.

    Randomness in the scientific sense means every potential respondent in a universe or population being surveyed must have an equal chance of being selected.

    This is also why Google trends are also unreliable for tracking national sentiment because not everyone is on the net and not everyone on the net knows how to Google. At best, Dr. Albert says, Google trends will reflect the AB crowd. He also warns that such data is likely to be manipulated by trolls working for some candidates.

    To help us evaluate the value of surveys, Dr. Albert quotes from a 1953 book on How to Lie with Statistics. Chapter 10 of that book suggests asking a number of questions:

    First: Who says so? (Who conducted the survey? Who paid for it?)

    Second: How does he know? (How was the survey conducted?)

    Third: What’s missing? (How many respondents were interviewed? What was the margin for error? How were questions asked?)

    Fourth: Did someone change the subject? (Are descriptions of data and conclusions based on the data?)

    And last: Does it make sense? (What assumptions are made in the subject report and analysis?)

    Survey data, Dr. Albert explains, do not tell us directly why people approve or are satisfied with a leader’s performance. Some pundits may try to explain that situation to “fear factor.”

    In a recent webinar, SWS fellow Geoffrey Ducanes expressed curiosity about how much of satisfaction may be influenced by personal experience, misinformation, and propaganda. “How much is driven by fear of expressing dissatisfaction so what is observed is not real satisfaction.”

    Pulse Asia’s Ronnie Holmes and several fellows of SWS admit that fear cannot be ruled out. But measuring fear can be challenging.

    Dr. Ana Tabunda, senior research fellow of Pulse Asia, and Steven Rood of SWS, according to Dr. Albert, said that there are currently no nonverbal signals from their survey respondents to support the “fear factor” conjecture.

    Still, Dr. Albert pointed out, half (51 percent) of Filipinos in the SWS July 3 to 6, 2021 National Mobile Phone Survey agree that “It is dangerous to print or broadcast anything critical of the administration, even if it is the truth.” But the danger may just be for media practitioners and the survey respondents may feel they can safely say what they want to a survey interviewer.

    Dr. Holmes and some Japanese colleagues recently delivered a paper based on an experiment they undertook that looks into the issue.

    They found empirical evidence that about one-third of Duterte’s approval rating came from social desirability bias (i.e., respondents are not giving truthful answers in surveys). Filipinos who believe their neighbors support Duterte were more likely to succumb to this social desirability bias.

    According to Dr. Albert, “the implication of this fascinating paper would suggest that support for Duterte may wane quickly when people perceive he is no longer popular.”

    Dr. Albert also said that “a high support for authoritarian populist leaders should not be interpreted as an indication that voters are giving up on democracy, as some pundits have argued.”

    Dr. Albert said that SWS’s Ducanes suggests from an attempt to model explanations for the approval rating, that people who saw Duterte as “decisive”, “diligent”, and “authentic”, specially the first two traits, were more likely to be satisfied with him.

    “It is, thus, the character of the President that makes him very popular: Du30 is the familiar kanto boy, Digong Tigas, who is bastos, but authentic, and most of all entertaining, and we Filipinos love entertainment.”

    Dr. Albert reports that “the model of Ducanes that uses perception of character traits of the President was reported to correctly predict 99 percent of those who were satisfied and 45 percent of dissatisfied respondents.

    A Pulse Asia focused group discussion (FGD) also revealed a perception Duterte is hardworking for making speeches late at night.

    More on surveys in a future column. Suffice it to say, be careful of so-called surveys that were designed for bandwagon effect to win over the unwary voters.

    Surveys | Philstar.com
    Kung sa lahat ng survey na mataas rating ni digong ay pina factor nila yung fear, explain nila yung result ng 2019 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    di mo ituturo sa anak mo na ok lang ang corruption

    pero ituturo mo sa anak mo na MERON corruption

    ituturo mo sa anak mo ang kalakaran ng mundo para di siya walang muwang... para marunong siya mag navigate ng mundo

    for example tine-training mo anak mo sa family business

    part of training is exposing your kid to the realities of dealing with corrupt gov't people

    for example: the fire inspector who insists magparefill ka ng fire extinguisher sa kilala niyang tindahan

    you explain to your kid "kasi may commission siya diyan... we tolerate that so he won't give us problems"
    Eh paano kung yun anak mo pumasok sa politics o nakikipagdeal sa government?

    Sasabihin mo okay lang maging corrupt kasi ganyan talaga gobyerno?

    Totolerate mo kahit mali na kasi nandun na siya sa mundo na yun? Tatanggapin nalang na gawin yun kasi ganun talaga ang nangyayari.

    Ang intindi ko kasi sa mga iba dito, okay lang ang corruption sa gobyerno kasi lahat naman ganun ginagawa at intindihin nalang.

    Pero tingin ko kung sariling anak mo na ang pumasok sa mundo ng politika, hindi mo masasabi na okay lang maging corrupt, unless makikinabang ka din sa mga nakurakot niya

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    Pinapayagan kasi natin na ganyan. Not calling it out, not shaming the corrupt makes it easier for them and normalizes it. Kaya lumalakas loob nila. Kaya tayo nakarating dito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Kung sa lahat ng survey na mataas rating ni digong ay pina factor nila yung fear, explain nila yung result ng 2019 election.
    Surveys & the '19 elections? Democracy wasn't everywhere. A popular local opposition candidate who led widely in surveys lost a won seat via 'officially' sanctioned operations by authorities. No protests. It all happened outside the precincts of known opposition barangays & count was good.
    Midterm elections will always lean admin.

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    Nagtataka ako kung bakit hanggang ngayon ay may gulat pa din na may corruption sa gobierno , lahat ng kandidato yan ang plataforma, wakasan ang corruption, pero andyan padin. Parang covid yan.

    Alam naman ng lahat na mali yan, ang solution dyan educate the young para maputoll pero paano mangyayari yan kung yung mismong educational system ay corrupted.

    Nagrereklamo kayo sa deteriorating public education , kangino ba nagsimula yan sino ba nag alis ng gmrc sa curriculum ng mga bata, sino ba nagpalit ng medium of instruction from english to pilipino at yung pinalitan mga libro from reprint american books into rex and vibal printed books. Nangyari niyan to make sure na ang lalabas na magaling ay ateneo at lasalle. Kaya kawawa yunh mga hindi financially capable mag aral sa atenro, lassale at yung derivatives nila. Saan bagsak nila kungdi sa neglected public schools, yan ang mga class D..E to Z na voters ninyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_cube View Post
    Eh paano kung yun anak mo pumasok sa politics
    kung yan ang career choice niya i won't interfere

    the Gatchalian parents didn't seem to mind that their kids went into politics

    o nakikipagdeal sa government?
    kung natuto ang theoretical anak ko makipag deal sa gobyerno i'd say madiskarte siya

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_cube View Post
    Eh paano kung yun anak mo pumasok sa politics o nakikipagdeal sa government?

    Sasabihin mo okay lang maging corrupt kasi ganyan talaga gobyerno?

    Totolerate mo kahit mali na kasi nandun na siya sa mundo na yun? Tatanggapin nalang na gawin yun kasi ganun talaga ang nangyayari.

    Ang intindi ko kasi sa mga iba dito, okay lang ang corruption sa gobyerno kasi lahat naman ganun ginagawa at intindihin nalang.

    Pero tingin ko kung sariling anak mo na ang pumasok sa mundo ng politika, hindi mo masasabi na okay lang maging corrupt, unless makikinabang ka din sa mga nakurakot niya

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_cube View Post
    Wala na silang maisip na masabing masama eh, kaya dun na sa line up niya at ikokonek sa kanya.

    Pero sila din nagsasabi na ang kasalanan ng ama ay hindi kasalanan ng anak.

    Mga INUTILS!!

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    You posted this in Leni thread.

    Obviously you’re pro-Leni, and you don’t see anything wrong with her lineup.

    But paano mo ieexplain sa anak mo na when election comes its ok for politicians to ask for support from other politicians who have graft and corruption cases just to win the election?

    Medyo contradicting kasi, compromise/no compromise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetlucious View Post
    You posted this in Leni thread.

    Obviously you’re pro-Leni, and you don’t see anything wrong with her lineup.

    But paano mo ieexplain sa anak mo na when election comes its ok for politicians to ask for support from other politicians who have graft and corruption cases just to win the election?

    Medyo contradicting kasi, compromise/no compromise?
    Yes, right now, im going for leni but it doesnt mean im going for her lineup.

    Im voting for the person and not the party nor lineup.

    And as of this reply, in my opinion, the most logical choice is Leni.

    Kay leni wala akong alam na may issue ng corruption, as per her lineup, it's another story

    Walamg disente o elitista sa akin, amg tinitignan ko kung may nagawa ba o may magagawa para maiunland ang bansa natin.

    But saying that corruption is okay and should be accepted because it's the "norm", that's one twisted logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ale828 View Post
    Like i said. you asked an opinion on how to stop the vote buying. I gave you one. Like i said again read my statement. I didn't say it was ideal and perfect and should be done.
    But in reality will it reduce vote buying? Like i said again, its the first step only.
    and i say again what do you suggest we do to stop vote buying. Education? it has been done several times before even big TV commercials telling people to stop accepting money from candidates.
    Vote buying is not just the context of money in exchange for the vote. it could be goods, services, promises of lucrative positions to not just people but organizations, unions, associations, corporations and the like.
    Do you really think your candidate will not the that? or that his/her party mates wont do it under their noses?
    I didn't ask for your opinion, you gave it and I reacted to it.

    Pinanindigan mo talagang first step to stop corruption is to suppress the voting rights of a certain demographic no? Hindi mo talaga narealize how elitist and undemocratic that sounds? Democratic government tayo taumbayan ang soberenyo tapos yung gusto mong iexclude yung huge chunk ng society. Tapos accepted na yung corrupt official kasi hindi na yan mawawala. This is the first step?

    Hindi tayo surprised na may corruption ang pinag uusapan natin accept or reject it and who we are putting the burden to.

    Despite the rampant vote buying, may nakukulong at napaparusahan ba diyan? I mean the corrupt vote buyer. Maybe start there.

    Last ko na 'to paulit ulit na lang naman.

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    #1872
    Hirap talaga pag usapan politics, same as religion.

    Let's agree to disagree.

    Your choice, my choice, walang tama o mali sa atin.

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    Sabi nga, you accept the love you think you deserve. Maybe it's the same sa government. We deserve the government we elect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Missy View Post
    Sabi nga, you accept the love you think you deserve. Maybe it's the same sa government. We deserve the government we elect.

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    We deserve the government the majority elected, minsan di natin choice yun eh, hassle.

    At least sa love, choice lang natin, wala tayong ibang sisisihin.

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    Magkakaroon ng Presidential debate. Curious ako sa laman ng utak nila Junior, Pacman at Bato.


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    Quote Originally Posted by c_cube View Post
    We deserve the government the majority elected, minsan di natin choice yun eh, hassle.

    At least sa love, choice lang natin, wala tayong ibang sisisihin.

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    Thats how democracy works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    Magkakaroon ng Presidential debate. Curious ako sa laman ng utak nila Junior, Pacman at Bato.


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    Bloo, meron din siguro hindi lang spontaneous at articulate si Bato at Pacman. Meron nga akong kakilala dati ang galing magsalita bagsak naman sa mga exams.
    Si President Bongbong, ang magaling. Hindi tulad nung babaeng taga bicol na binibigyan na nga ng script, sablay pa.[emoji16][emoji111]

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    Quote Originally Posted by QUEZ View Post
    Bloo, meron din siguro hindi lang spontaneous at articulate si Bato at Pacman. Meron nga akong kakilala dati ang galing magsalita bagsak naman sa mga exams.
    Si President Bongbong, ang magaling. Hindi tulad nung babaeng taga bicol na binibigyan na nga ng script, sablay pa.[emoji16][emoji111]

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    Sintomas ba nang Covid ang kabulagan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    Sintomas ba nang Covid ang kabulagan?


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    Likewise.[emoji1787][emoji1787]

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    a davaoeno laments:

    https://twitter.com/Izydro/status/14...310660099?s=20

    iyan iyong general area kung saan ako banda nakatira dati pero hindi naman ganun ka lubha kapag bumuhos ang ulan. actually, i don't remember being flooded out back then. i guess medyo matindi ang deterioration ng infra through the years. to makes matters worse, nasa cebu pa over the weekend kung kelan nag start iyong malalakas na ulan.
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