"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[ghosthunter]

sana nga ganito ang mga families sa Pilipinas, self providing kahit alang padala galing sa OFWs...eh ang kaso, kaya maraming nag-aabroad dahil mababa talaga sahod dito saten.

damned the government

And that problem cannot be solved by an electric powered jeepney nor by Greenpeace nor by having a 100% pinoy car.

[kitsons]

And that problem cannot be solved by an electric powered jeepney nor by Greenpeace nor by having a 100% pinoy car.

It can help in the giving of the solution given the proper perspective.

Perhaps concentration should be made on creating our own Pinoy utility vehicles. This is not as subject to prestiger buying and colonial mentality.

Buyers of utility vehicles bases their choice on the dependability and miximized functions of the vehicle so as to gain more income for its use. This is the basic reason why the jeepney has lasted for decades. Problem with trying to change the design of the ugly thing is that the ugliness has practically become an icon of sorts that Pinoys picture with the word jeep/jeepney.

The variation of trying to update it with the use of the fronts of toyotas and other name brands is still a monstrosity.

Perhaps DPROX SUV can be accepted if the look is retained but the inside is remodeled into that of the inside of a jeepney... Then we can create jobs here.

[niky]

DPROX's SUV has a lot of angles and joins that require lots of labor. It's good work for a grounds-up design, but not something that can easily see mass production.

The problems that needs to be solved with the old Jeepney design are ones of weight, versatility and simplicity of manufacture. The hand-beaten nature of the panels is not such a huge problem given low local labor rates, but it's labor-intensive... and doesn't lend itself well to cutting corners.

One of the goals of the PhUV project was to find ways to simplify production and maximize cost-savings in the design. But without a unified design and engineering effort, we will all end up with halfway solutions like the MVPMAP effort, the Anfra effort and the open-source effort here on tsikot.

[uls]

if i'm in the market for a brand commercial/utility vehicle, my first choice would be...





if i need something bigger, there's the Isuzu Elf or Mit. Canter

if i haven't got the budget for a brand new one, the Japan surplus importers will definitely have something i can afford

and there's also the option of brand new China commercial/utility vehicles

an all-pinoy commercial/utility vehicle will face very tough competition

[ghosthunter]

Local companies will find it difficult to justify to buy a "pinoy" commercial vehicle because of long term maintenance issues. Especially when faced with the track record of companies like ISUZU and Mitsubishi in this market.

[niky]

That's why you have to use transplanted technology, at least, at first. Using "Isuzu" or "Mitsubishi" parts goes a long way to assuring the public that spares will be easily had.

The most you can build here is the body. The one problem is the cost-economics factor... to build a body at competitive cost with the Chinese, you have to produce at least 40,000 units from the same die. Finding that kind of volume locally, for a start-up, is damn difficult. It's doable in China... but here, we don't even have the volume to support sales of 40,000 L300 FBs.

[kitsons]

That's why you have to use transplanted technology, at least, at first. Using "Isuzu" or "Mitsubishi" parts goes a long way to assuring the public that spares will be easily had.

The most you can build here is the body. The one problem is the cost-economics factor... to build a body at competitive cost with the Chinese, you have to produce at least 40,000 units from the same die. Finding that kind of volume locally, for a start-up, is damn difficult. It's doable in China... but here, we don't even have the volume to support sales of 40,000 L300 FBs.

Perhaps we should have some sort of paradigm shift here in looking at what the utility vehicle ought to be.

about two years before the coke tri wheelers delivery vehicle came out I was trying to put together enough funds to come up with such a tri-wheeler utility vehicle that I was aiming to market to certain organizations that I knew needed such cost efficient vehicles in terms of maintenance cost and acquisition.

Ourt cost estimates then was a production cost of 25 - 50 k per unit depending on add-ons for certain usages and our selling price would be around 50 - 65 k.

In Katmandu, the tri-wheeler six passenger electric jeepneys was a hit.

It is simple to build and the overhead cost can be minimixed with an innovative organizational structure.

[niky]

Whoever managed to import those kits is on to a good thing. I'm surprised it took so long for them to go commercial.

That's the right way to go for electrics. Smaller, lighter vehicles require smaller battery packs, requiring much less in overhead costs.

[ghosthunter]

Perhaps we should have some sort of paradigm shift here in looking at what the utility vehicle ought to be.

Maybe we should just avoid "radical" and "neo-world" ideas what a UV should be and simply go back to basics like: "necessity".

[kitsons]

Whoever managed to import those kits is on to a good thing. I'm surprised it took so long for them to go commercial.

That's the right way to go for electrics. Smaller, lighter vehicles require smaller battery packs, requiring much less in overhead costs.

Except for the power chain, all parts of a tri-wheeler we can actually have built here.

The tri-wheeler is actually a necessity since it is the cheapest mode of transportation used either for hauling people or goods in the tertiary roads here.

[jpdm]

The tri-wheeler is actually a necessity since it is the cheapest mode of transportation used either for hauling people or goods in the tertiary roads here.

Indeed.

Especially in small rural roads (former dirt roads or iskinita) in the provinces.

[romski123]

MR. UGLY and MR. UGLIER. 1940'S Design in the 21st Century

In this Digital Age, you will have a hard time selling these DINOSAURS.

We actually customize. and the design came from DLSU

[romski123]

MR. Romski123, the Pinoys are used to good quality and modern design, notice that TOYOTA and NOKIA are the market leaders in the country.

Then stop giving us Crappy Ugly recycled designs of the outdated 1940's jipney if you want to stay in business. Many jipney makers have already gone bankrupt because of market rejection.

You are perpetuating Colonial mentality by coming up with such an Ugly car.

Hi Marg. We customized this for De La Salle Dasma. They wanted the old look so as to still promote the Iconic Jeepney design.

We made different designs for the congress and bangko central. Thanks for the comment.

[romski123]

pls call John Marasigan at o9228395770 he is the Sales manager for PHUV the seller of the ejeepneys

[jpdm]

Hi Marg. We customized this for De La Salle Dasma. They wanted the old look so as to still promote the Iconic Jeepney design.

We made different designs for the congress and bangko central. Thanks for the comment.

Good news that government agencies are now buying the e-jeepneys...

Why not offer it in the industrial estates in Cavite or in CALABARZON?(Gateway, FCIE, Dai-ichi, CEZ. These are huge industrial export processing zones...) or in other La Salle System Schools with huge campuses aside from La Salle-Dasmarinas i.e. La Salle-Canlubang (largest), La Salle Lipa...

[kitsons]

Good news that government agencies are now buying the e-jeepneys...

Why not offer it in the industrial estates in Cavite or in CALABARZON?(Gateway, FCIE, Dai-ichi, CEZ. These are huge industrial export processing zones...) or in other La Salle System Schools with huge campuses aside from La Salle-Dasmarinas i.e. La Salle-Canlubang (largest), La Salle Lipa...

Problem with the e-jeepney is that electricity and maintenance cost with the batteries is rather expensive if no support electricity generating component.

[ehnriko]

Problem with the e-jeepney is that electricity and maintenance cost with the batteries is rather expensive if no support electricity generating component.

Hi Kitsons,

It's not really a problem... if for example, the batteries are old or if the vehicle will be used for extended ranges... all they need to do is carry or integrate a small portable generator to charge the batteries.

This basically makes the e-jeep a Hybrid per se. which literally makes it no different in essence to a Prius.

[donbuggy]

... all they need to do is carry or integrate a small portable generator to charge the batteries.

This basically makes the e-jeep a Hybrid per se. which literally makes it no different in essence to a Prius.

Adding an engine and a generator to an electric vehicle makes it a series hybrid. The Prius is a parallel hybrid.

In series hybrids the engine is not mechanically connected to the wheels. It is simpler and cheaper than a parallel hybrid but not as efficient at high speeds.

In parallel hybrids the engine and electric motor are both connected to the wheels. It is more complicated and more expensive.

The series hybrid configuration is good enough for the low speed, stop-and-go traffic the jeepney goes through. The hybrid electric jeepney can have a longer range than the e-jeepney and can replace all the normal jeepneys in the city because of better fuel economy. Additional bonus: air conditioning is possible.

[ghosthunter]

Hi Kitsons,

It's not really a problem... if for example, the batteries are old or if the vehicle will be used for extended ranges... all they need to do is carry or integrate a small portable generator to charge the batteries.

This basically makes the e-jeep a Hybrid per se. which literally makes it no different in essence to a Prius.

Yeah right. A hybrid in concept but one that spews out smoke and other hydrocarbon pollutants like your worst nightmare.

A hybrid is not simply throwing together parts and hoping it works.

[ehnriko]

Yeah right. A hybrid in concept but one that spews out smoke and other hydrocarbon pollutants like your worst nightmare.

A hybrid is not simply throwing together parts and hoping it works.

Lol, of course it will not be green anymore with this normal generator.

There are many ways to make this gen set green. GEET for one, hydroxy on the other... or combining them both.

Any small gen set can become an ultra low emission engine with the right set-up. GEET acts like a vapor carb - which basically induces fuel more efficiently than the normal carburetor type... Do they have EFi gen sets also?... if there is, then hydroxy on demand with GEET will keep this gen set green.