Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[uls]

Baka nasobrahan or kulang ng 5ml yung langis!

haha

oh no

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[yapoy86]

In the video above, the technician was cleaning the rugby he put in the pasak (string plug) (the 2nd repair where he didn't wait for 15 mins before inserting it). The reason he put the car in the car lift levers was kasi plano nya to lift car up by using the blue thing (in the left of the video) in the suspension arms. Pero I stopped them, kasi when it happened to my honda CRV dati, nasira lahat na suspensions, buti na lang mas mura lang replacement ng CRV (but Subaru has no replacement parts, you have to buy original sa casa worth about 50,000 each suspension).

Now lahat na car lift kahit sa tire shop use the blue thing to lift the suspension arm? Puwede rin yun blue lagay sa sides or para sa suspension arm lang yun?

If so, saan exactly sa suspension arm puwede lagay yun so when they change all the tires bukas, ma sure ko hindi ma bend yun suspension arms (or convince them to use manu manu spring jack na lang that came with the car). Matagal kaya I need reasons to insist to them to use the old fashion ways.

If you can please reply with labels arrow pointing out saan exactly the suspension arms puwede nila ma lift the whole Subaru
Forester 2015 edition. Salamat for the tips.

i don't recommend lifting the car on the suspension arms lalo na sa macpherson strut design.. unless nasa ramp na using ramp aux lifter.. para sabay lift yung both sides..

sa macpherson kasi, yung suspension arms eh pang locate lang ng position nung front wheels.. yung bigat ng car eh nandun sa struts

pwede naman lift ang car sa sides.. may markers yan dyan kung saan yung lift points.. check your owner's manual nandyan lahat yan

regarding plug (pasak) thingy.. watch nyo sa youtube yung test na ginawa ni projectfarm kung ano yung effective na pasak product.. alam ko sa test nya may possibility pa din na sumingaw talaga yung pasak at pwede din mahugot ulit

[yapoy86]

Best Tire Repair Kit? SLIME, Westweld, Dynaplug, Grand Pitstop - YouTube


eto yung video ni projectfarm

[dr. d]

From a punctured tire to buying a set of tires, then napunta sa suspension.

Pag yan napunta sa buying a new car bec. of pasak/patch “problem”.

Ayawan na!!!!

careful.
someone here just bought a car,
and is mulling about what to do with the older car...

i am assuming, that older car's tyres do not have questionable repairs done on them.

heh heh.

[k_leos]

careful.
someone here just bought a car,
and is mulling about what to do with the older car...

i am assuming, that older car's tyres do not have questionable repairs done on them.

heh heh.

The old car Honda CRV 2004 has patches done to the 2015 Michelin tyres. So far ok naman so believe ako sa patches. Kala ko lang yun string plug nagamit sa kamuning sa Subaru ko is new tech (first time for me to see a string patch). The technician told me outdated na daw yun tangal pa tyre and open up rim to do patch. Mas modern daw just insert plug.

Anyway, I think Honda CRV Thailand edition pinaka worse na cars sa lahat 'no? Halos lahat na major parts na palit na many times. The radiator failed (nabutas) while I was driving, nasira brake fluid pump while driving, napalit lahat na suspensions 2 times, even the power steering rack and pinion na palit na, dati I kept adding steering fluid kasi nabawasan half of reservoir in one day.

Now the problem is the engine oil leak and coolant leak. I have to add engine oil and coolant every week kasi it leaks to my parking. Pero ang rami palitan almost 40k na repair if ma ayus ko oil leak. And mahirap mahanap coolant leak. The car is worth 120k now in used market kasi it used up gasoline so fast.

It's for coding use. Honda has replacement parts. Pero not Subaru. Sobra mahal parts ng subaru so ayaw ko mangyari yun nangyari sa Honda.

If I didn't stop them from using car lift on the suspension arms early this week, possible na bent na now suspension arms ko. This is why even though ayaw ko na mag post para matahimik na ako.. pero I learnt a little tips can save thousands of pesos of unnecessary damage and repair. Hence make sure ko hindi nila put car lift sa suspension arms.

After na change na all the 4 tires ng Subaru ko. Mag move on na ako. I hope LTO would soon require all tires more than 5 years old to change to new para ma force ako change all tires ng Honda ko which is now 7 years ago. Wala na talaga budget for now to change them. Maybe after mawala na Omicron and back to normal business na. Affected kami since early 2020 at dawn of pandemic

[dr. d]

i have a 2005 innova with over 140K km on it.
i have replaced the four shocks and two support struts of the rear hatch.
and oh yes! the front break disk. someone didn't recognize the warning signs of worn disk pad...

[k_leos]

ah.. may iba kasi shops na nag lalagay ng jack sa suspension arm eh.. sa ibang design, manipis lang yun at hindi kaya mag carry ng bigat ng kotse..

na experience ko din yan recently nung nagpapalit ako ng gulong.. yung technician, balak nya ilagay yung jack dun sa rear suspension arm ng kotse.. eh manipis lang yun.. ako pa nagturo ng correct lift point dun sa likod..

kung di ko nakita, malamang bumaluktot yung suspension arm..

sa sides, along running board madalas ang jack point ng unibody design.. pero hindi advisable na gamitan yan ng crocodile jack kasi may tendency yung crocodile jack to pull the car sideways na pwede mag bend dun sa jack point..

if ever na gagamit ng crocodile jack, make sure na naka position yung jack almost parallel dun sa running board

Halos lahat na crocodile jack is used perpendicular to the running board diba? Mahirap ata parallel? Meron ka na kita reference na not advisable ang crocodile jack sa unibody jack points? Baka hindi payag gamit ng scissor jack yun tire shop bukas sa all 4 tires ko. Baka better to find tire shop with car lift and positions the lifter on the 4 jack points at same time 'no?

In the following video



Why did the crocodile jack moves and ruin the door, frame?

[sirkosero]

Sabi mo nakaloan pa kotse mo? So safe to assume less than 5 years pa goma mo since brand nrw mo binili.

The mvis requirement is the least of your worries. Then again, just replace everything. Pati kotse kung pwede

Yes. It appears to be the only option left, buying 4 new tires.

I also read https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...n-5-years.html

"New MVIS rules say your tires can't be older than 5 years"

When will LTO implement this? They will ban all tires older than 5 years.

Early this morning I went to the garage to change the tire to reserva because I don't want the rugby string plug to eject out while driving to the tire shop to replace all 4 tires. But I read in the Subaru manual that wheel chocks must be put. I can't find any big wood or bato, so I delayed changing to reserba tire and ordered the following and it's coming about bukas.




Heavy duty. Can even secure an aircraft wheel.

I found out there are many Yokohama service centers. They are selling Yokohama tires made in phils for 6700, and made in Japan for 8700. Some tire shops selling Dunlop LM704 for 8900 and Toyo for 10500. Totoo ba na Toyo tire is matagtag and Dunlop more comfort daw? So while waiting for my heavy duty wheel chocks coming tomorrow. I'd better ask these quick tire brands questions because lahat na 4 ko palit talaga. Kasi AWD car ko. I don't want to regret with the choices.

Anyway. After I realized I made a mistake not aware of the difference between rubber cement and contact cement. I made some research last night at google. I found out not only meron difference ang rubber cement and contact cement. But meron rin big difference ang rubber vulcanizing solution vs rubber cement. The former can bind the rubber at the molecular level so if you use a string plug with this. Parang na binded na talagang ang rubber string to the hole? This will make for successful pasak talaga! So I wrote the following for future reference and in case someday the service head of the Kamuning center can read this so as to inform their workers mali ganawa nila putting rugby in my string repair.

I saw the following Kyoto set in the net.



There is a rubber solution included. That means yun Kronyo string plug used by the technicians don't have built in solution. This is the kamuning shop Kronyo string plugs again:



Then I searched ano ingredients ng Kronyo rubber solution. I saw this.





Then I read the best explanation of the difference between vulcanizing cement solution vs rubber cement. I'd like confirmation that the Kronyo rubber solution or other solutions included with string plugs are the same as vulcanizing solution described in the following (is it?? or is the following only true for patches?? but note the Kronyo rubber solution is used for both their pathces and string plugs). Because if it is the same. Talagang mag work ang Pasak if you use the right solution because it will bind the string plug and tire rubber at the molecular level pa. I regret I didn't learn this before yesterday.

How do vulcanizing tire patches work? : bicycling

"Chemist here - natural rubber is a polymer (long chain-like molecules). Vulcanizing adds cross-links (through disulfide bonds) to the rubber, basically turning the strands of rubber molecules into a net, greatly increasing strength. Bike tubes are vulcanized rubber, but the outer surfaces are treated such that all those cross-linking sulfur groups aren't reaching out and trying to grab anything. You put on some vulcanizing fluid (henceforth "glue") and a few disulfide bonds in the tube get broken and re-formed with bonds to the polymers in the glue. Once the glue dries (there's a bit of solvent that has to evaporate) the inner side of the glue spot is chemically bound to the tire. The outer side is left with a bunch of free sulfur groups waiting to grab onto some other sulfur groups. Then you peel that piece of foil off the orange side of the tire patch (which exposes the free sulfur groups left on the patch) and press it to the glue spot - you've now made millions of chemical bonds between the patch and the glue spot. It's not really glued, though - the patch-"glue"-tire system is now one single molecule all chemically bound together.

The chemical bond holding things together is why:

The tube has to be clean and dry - the sulfur groups reaching out for something to grab onto will grab dirt, water, and other gunk instead of the patch.

You can't use duct tape or regular glue - these are sticky substances that don't vulcanize the rubber together. Rubber cement may hold a patch in place but it is NOT the same stuff.

Glueless patches kinda suck - the vulcanizing fluid in the little tubes works better at making bonds with the punctured bike tube.

You can make patches out of old tubes - at its most basic you're vulcanizing two pieces of rubber together, so two pieces of bike tube will stick to each other."

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[sirkosero]

Parang panibagong alterego ni kags/OB ito.

Come to think of it, hindi pa sumasagot si kags dito ah

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[dr. d]

Halos lahat na crocodile jack is used perpendicular to the running board diba? Mahirap ata parallel? Meron ka na kita reference na not advisable ang crocodile jack sa unibody jack points? Baka hindi payag gamit ng scissor jack yun tire shop bukas sa all 4 tires ko. Baka better to find tire shop with car lift and positions the lifter on the 4 jack points at same time 'no?

In the following video



Why did the crocodile jack moves and ruin the door, frame?

dumulas? nag-collapse yung panel?
jack-er probably did not position it well-enough, or did not use the correct lift point.
it happens.

don't blame the crocodile. blame the user.


the crocodile doesn't care at what angle it is used.
it's up to the user to decide which works for him and the space available.

actually,
between scissors, bottle and crocodile,
the crocodile is argueably the easier and safer choice, in my opinion.

[Vodka]

dumulas? nag-collapse yung panel?
jack-er probably did not position it well-enough, or did not use the correct lift point.
it happens.

don't blame the crocodile. blame the user.


the crocodile doesn't care at what angle it is used.
it's up to the user to decide which works for him and the space available.

yapoy86 is right. try to angle the jack away from perpendicular. less sideways movement. i've been doing it like that for years

[dr. d]

won't the crocodile's wheels allow the jack to move across the floor to follow the car, instead of the jack pulling on the car?

so,
from pasak to wheels,
we're now at the jack.

[Vodka]

won't the crocodile's wheels allow the jack to move across the floor, instead of the jack pulling on the car?

so,
from pasak to wheels,
we're now at the jack.

maybe on a really smooth clean floor. in the real world it doesn't do that

haha yeah we're now at jacks. i guess there are just a million ways to screw up your car

[dr. d]

maybe on a really smooth clean floor. in the real world it doesn't do that

haha yeah we're now at jacks. i guess there are just a million ways to screw up your car

noted.
not-rough kasi garage floor namin. we see the crocodile movement a lot.
heh heh.

i'm excited at what kleos will come up with next.
maybe a comparo among european, 'merican, and china-made crocodiles...?
or a comparo of the various lifting heads..?

i must admit,
this guy is more suave than kags, and he appears to read his posts and not just paste and paste with little understanding.

heyy,
there's more kleos avatar and less kags avatar.
nahihirapan siguro si kags...

[k_leos]

i don't recommend lifting the car on the suspension arms lalo na sa macpherson strut design.. unless nasa ramp na using ramp aux lifter.. para sabay lift yung both sides..

sa macpherson kasi, yung suspension arms eh pang locate lang ng position nung front wheels.. yung bigat ng car eh nandun sa struts

pwede naman lift ang car sa sides.. may markers yan dyan kung saan yung lift points.. check your owner's manual nandyan lahat yan

regarding plug (pasak) thingy.. watch nyo sa youtube yung test na ginawa ni projectfarm kung ano yung effective na pasak product.. alam ko sa test nya may possibility pa din na sumingaw talaga yung pasak at pwede din mahugot ulit

I googled for about 2 hours reading about unibody and jack points, but it doesn't answer my question. I found the jack point in my Forester.



But a discussion I read mentioned:

Jacking Points on a Unibody Car | The Garage Journal

"As noted above, it completely depends on the make and model of car. The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers. There are special pads that have a notch for the pinchweld, so the lifting load is spread out along the bottom of the rocker. Other cars have reinforced holes in the rockers for a jack. If you are using a floor jack, you can't go wrong if you lift at the hard points where the suspension arms attach to the tub. Some cars have reinforced subrails, or the attach points for the suspension cradles. Again, it depends."

This means yun pinch weld above is only designed for the screw jack in the trunk. It is not for general jack use. Note the pinch weld fits the factory screw jack head:



During the pasak, they used alligator jack on the pinch weld.



However ang tama is to use rubber support for the pinch weld like this:



Now my question is. For Subaru casa, how do they lift the Forester? By lifting via the pinch weld or are their other jack points written in the service manual and not shown in the owner manual? Remember the pinch weld is only designed for the car factory screw jack. In your car, how does the car lift support your car? via the pinch weld with maybe special pads?

Remember car tire shop is visited by all kinds of cars, so hindi nila memorize lahat na service jack points. This was why the pasak technician tried to lift by car via the suspensions. Should I ask Subaru casa where exactly are the service jack points, which I must convey to the tire shop? This is to ensure hindi ma damage yun pinch weld sa sides which is only very thin vertical metals (still puwede ma bend without pads).

[dr. d]

Should I ask Subaru casa where exactly are the service jack points, which I must convey to the tire shop? This is to ensure hindi ma damage yun pinch weld sa sides which is only very thin vertical metals (still puwede ma bend without pads).

google for these jacking points in your subaru forester.

yes, you can approach the mechanics in the subaru casa and inquire.

say,
why not bring your car to the casa, and have it serviced there?
that should put to bed your doubts.
then tell us about it.

... all this, because of a dis-satisfied flat tyre fix...

[ParticleX]

i could not believe someone is this anal and generated such a long thread from a simple tire leak.

there's a topic nagtatanong kung battery or alternator problem - umabot pa sa grounding points when jump starting, engine ground versus direct sa battery terminal.

hindi daw gumana jumping from engine ground, naging theories and thought exercise instead of what works in the real world. starting the car took weeks and 40 pages ata. this thread is another example of that.

or user might be trolling lol

[k_leos]

google for these jacking points in your subaru forester.

yes, you can approach the mechanics in the subaru casa and inquire.

say,
why not bring your car to the casa, and have it serviced there?
that should put to bed your doubts.
then tell us about it.

... all this, because of a dis-satisfied flat tyre fix...

The tyres at Subaru costs 18,000 each daw. And I can't just go inside and look at their service area. And Omicron is surging. One can just pasyal anywhere. And I only knew about the Unibody vs Body-on-Frame last night lang.

About googling the jacking points. That's what I was doing last night. But I came across the following as I mentioned in my last message where the poster said jacking points for users and service car lift is different.

" The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers".

I was asking the experience of yapoy86 who made me aware of all these just like night. The Subaru Forester will be my last car. I won't buy a new one anymore. So want to make sure hindi makatulad ng CRV ko na rami na sira because wala ako alam.

[12vdc]

Pasak-pasak in a P18k tyre without verification for other leaks is a no-no. If you'll have to unmount the rubber from the rims, re-balance it esp if used as front tyres. After tyre repair, I always demand removal of tyres and dipping in the tub of water to check for small leaks.

The notch of the jack head in the scissor jack is just to secure from not sliding. It is no different with alligator jack-head since it has wide notch and jack wheels allow movement when weight is shifted during jacking, the contact points will still be on tangent.
The most safe way to Jack at the garage it is by using another jack or steady jack so if ever it slips or jack fails nothing will be damaged. Always read that F user manual (RTFM) if you're unsure.

[dr. d]

The tyres at Subaru costs 18,000 each daw. And I can't just go inside and look at their service area. And Omicron is surging. One can just pasyal anywhere. And I only knew about the Unibody vs Body-on-Frame last night lang.

About googling the jacking points. That's what I was doing last night. But I came across the following as I mentioned in my last message where the poster said jacking points for users and service car lift is different.

" The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers".

I was asking the experience of yapoy86 who made me aware of all these just like night. The Subaru Forester will be my last car. I won't buy a new one anymore. So want to make sure hindi makatulad ng CRV ko na rami na sira because wala ako alam.

bossing,
don't wait.
palitan mo na yang sasakyan mo.
kuha ka nang sasakyang madali i-jack.
i am confident, you sell your subaru, buy a toyota, and may sukli ka pa.