Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

**Vodka** · January 6th, 2022 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

dumulas? nag-collapse yung panel?
jack-er probably did not position it well-enough, or did not use the correct lift point.
it happens.

don't blame the crocodile. blame the user.

the crocodile doesn't care at what angle it is used.
it's up to the user to decide which works for him and the space available.

yapoy86 is right. try to angle the jack away from perpendicular. less sideways movement. i've been doing it like that for years

**dr. d** · January 6th, 2022 08:45 PM

won't the crocodile's wheels allow the jack to move across the floor to follow the car, instead of the jack pulling on the car?

so,
from pasak to wheels,
we're now at the jack.

**Vodka** · January 6th, 2022 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

won't the crocodile's wheels allow the jack to move across the floor, instead of the jack pulling on the car?

so,
from pasak to wheels,
we're now at the jack.

maybe on a really smooth clean floor. in the real world it doesn't do that

haha yeah we're now at jacks. i guess there are just a million ways to screw up your car

**dr. d** · January 6th, 2022 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Vodka

maybe on a really smooth clean floor. in the real world it doesn't do that

haha yeah we're now at jacks. i guess there are just a million ways to screw up your car

noted.
not-rough kasi garage floor namin. we see the crocodile movement a lot.
heh heh.

i'm excited at what kleos will come up with next.
maybe a comparo among european, 'merican, and china-made crocodiles...?
or a comparo of the various lifting heads..?

i must admit,
this guy is more suave than kags, and he appears to read his posts and not just paste and paste with little understanding.

heyy,
there's more kleos avatar and less kags avatar.
nahihirapan siguro si kags...

**k_leos** · January 6th, 2022 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by yapoy86

i don't recommend lifting the car on the suspension arms lalo na sa macpherson strut design.. unless nasa ramp na using ramp aux lifter.. para sabay lift yung both sides..

sa macpherson kasi, yung suspension arms eh pang locate lang ng position nung front wheels.. yung bigat ng car eh nandun sa struts

pwede naman lift ang car sa sides.. may markers yan dyan kung saan yung lift points.. check your owner's manual nandyan lahat yan

regarding plug (pasak) thingy.. watch nyo sa youtube yung test na ginawa ni projectfarm kung ano yung effective na pasak product.. alam ko sa test nya may possibility pa din na sumingaw talaga yung pasak at pwede din mahugot ulit

I googled for about 2 hours reading about unibody and jack points, but it doesn't answer my question. I found the jack point in my Forester.

But a discussion I read mentioned:

Jacking Points on a Unibody Car | The Garage Journal

"As noted above, it completely depends on the make and model of car. The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers. There are special pads that have a notch for the pinchweld, so the lifting load is spread out along the bottom of the rocker. Other cars have reinforced holes in the rockers for a jack. If you are using a floor jack, you can't go wrong if you lift at the hard points where the suspension arms attach to the tub. Some cars have reinforced subrails, or the attach points for the suspension cradles. Again, it depends."

This means yun pinch weld above is only designed for the screw jack in the trunk. It is not for general jack use. Note the pinch weld fits the factory screw jack head:

During the pasak, they used alligator jack on the pinch weld.

However ang tama is to use rubber support for the pinch weld like this:

Now my question is. For Subaru casa, how do they lift the Forester? By lifting via the pinch weld or are their other jack points written in the service manual and not shown in the owner manual? Remember the pinch weld is only designed for the car factory screw jack. In your car, how does the car lift support your car? via the pinch weld with maybe special pads?

Remember car tire shop is visited by all kinds of cars, so hindi nila memorize lahat na service jack points. This was why the pasak technician tried to lift by car via the suspensions. Should I ask Subaru casa where exactly are the service jack points, which I must convey to the tire shop? This is to ensure hindi ma damage yun pinch weld sa sides which is only very thin vertical metals (still puwede ma bend without pads).

**dr. d** · January 6th, 2022 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by k_leos

Should I ask Subaru casa where exactly are the service jack points, which I must convey to the tire shop? This is to ensure hindi ma damage yun pinch weld sa sides which is only very thin vertical metals (still puwede ma bend without pads).

google for these jacking points in your subaru forester.

yes, you can approach the mechanics in the subaru casa and inquire.

say,
why not bring your car to the casa, and have it serviced there?
that should put to bed your doubts.
then tell us about it.

... all this, because of a dis-satisfied flat tyre fix...

**ParticleX** · January 7th, 2022 08:16 AM

i could not believe someone is this anal and generated such a long thread from a simple tire leak.

there's a topic nagtatanong kung battery or alternator problem - umabot pa sa grounding points when jump starting, engine ground versus direct sa battery terminal.

hindi daw gumana jumping from engine ground, naging theories and thought exercise instead of what works in the real world. starting the car took weeks and 40 pages ata. this thread is another example of that.

or user might be trolling lol

**k_leos** · January 7th, 2022 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

google for these jacking points in your subaru forester.

yes, you can approach the mechanics in the subaru casa and inquire.

say,
why not bring your car to the casa, and have it serviced there?
that should put to bed your doubts.
then tell us about it.

... all this, because of a dis-satisfied flat tyre fix...

The tyres at Subaru costs 18,000 each daw. And I can't just go inside and look at their service area. And Omicron is surging. One can just pasyal anywhere. And I only knew about the Unibody vs Body-on-Frame last night lang.

About googling the jacking points. That's what I was doing last night. But I came across the following as I mentioned in my last message where the poster said jacking points for users and service car lift is different.

" The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers".

I was asking the experience of yapoy86 who made me aware of all these just like night. The Subaru Forester will be my last car. I won't buy a new one anymore. So want to make sure hindi makatulad ng CRV ko na rami na sira because wala ako alam.

**12vdc** · January 7th, 2022 09:47 AM

Pasak-pasak in a P18k tyre without verification for other leaks is a no-no. If you'll have to unmount the rubber from the rims, re-balance it esp if used as front tyres. After tyre repair, I always demand removal of tyres and dipping in the tub of water to check for small leaks.

The notch of the jack head in the scissor jack is just to secure from not sliding. It is no different with alligator jack-head since it has wide notch and jack wheels allow movement when weight is shifted during jacking, the contact points will still be on tangent.
The most safe way to Jack at the garage it is by using another jack or steady jack so if ever it slips or jack fails nothing will be damaged. Always read that F user manual (RTFM) if you're unsure.

**dr. d** · January 7th, 2022 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by k_leos

The tyres at Subaru costs 18,000 each daw. And I can't just go inside and look at their service area. And Omicron is surging. One can just pasyal anywhere. And I only knew about the Unibody vs Body-on-Frame last night lang.

About googling the jacking points. That's what I was doing last night. But I came across the following as I mentioned in my last message where the poster said jacking points for users and service car lift is different.

" The owner's manual will only talk about the jack points for the factory jack. The service manual will show you the jack points for a floor jack or lift. Many unibody cars CAN be lifted from the rockers".

I was asking the experience of yapoy86 who made me aware of all these just like night. The Subaru Forester will be my last car. I won't buy a new one anymore. So want to make sure hindi makatulad ng CRV ko na rami na sira because wala ako alam.

bossing,
don't wait.
palitan mo na yang sasakyan mo.
kuha ka nang sasakyang madali i-jack.
i am confident, you sell your subaru, buy a toyota, and may sukli ka pa.