Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[boybi]

bossing,
don't wait.
palitan mo na yang sasakyan mo.
kuha ka nang sasakyang madali i-jack.
i am confident, you sell your subaru, buy a toyota, and may sukli ka pa.

Doc, ibenta na nya lahat ng kotse nya at mag Grab nalang sya.

[k_leos]

bossing,
don't wait.
palitan mo na yang sasakyan mo.
kuha ka nang sasakyang madali i-jack.
i am confident, you sell your subaru, buy a toyota, and may sukli ka pa.

I called a Subaru service center this morning. Absent lahat na service advisors kasi na Omicron. Pero I was able to talk to the workshop and got this picture how they lift their vehicles.



So I'm convinced now the regular jack points can work (in contrast to what the foreign poster said ibang lift points ng car lift).

Hindi puwede daw sa suspension lagay jack or lift points. So muntik na nasira car ko dun sa nag pasak ng car ko. The most important thing I learnt in this forum is wag talaga lagay sa suspension.

I can't sell my subaru because mababa na 2nd hand price and can't buy expensive na toyota Rav4. Have to earn enough muna this year.

Now I have enough information for all I need. I don't have further questions. Thanks to all for all the valuable tips.

[uls]

Doc, ibenta na nya lahat ng kotse nya at mag Grab nalang sya.

haha

pero Sir pag wala na kotse iba naman ang mag mumulto sa kanya

ung TV, refrigerator, washing machine, blender, microwave....

[dr. d]

I called a Subaru service center this morning. Absent lahat na service advisors kasi na Omicron. Pero I was able to talk to the workshop and got this picture how they lift their vehicles.



So I'm convinced now the regular jack points can work (in contrast to what the foreign poster said ibang lift points ng car lift).

Hindi puwede daw sa suspension lagay jack or lift points. So muntik na nasira car ko dun sa nag pasak ng car ko. The most important thing I learnt in this forum is wag talaga lagay sa suspension.

I can't sell my subaru because mababa na 2nd hand price and can't buy expensive na toyota Rav4. Have to earn enough muna this year.

Now I have enough information for all I need. I don't have further questions. Thanks to all for all the valuable tips.

you're pulling my leg!
you're tellling me, yan ang pictures na pinadala sayo ng subaru?

[Vodka]

konting common sense lang naman

if a scissor jacking point is strong enough to hold 1/4 of the car, then a car lift can lift the whole car using all 4 jacking points

[k_leos]

you're pulling my leg!
you're tellling me, yan ang pictures na pinadala sayo ng subaru?

Yes. I asked them saan linalagay ang car lift sa body ng Forester. Note alligator jack in other countries is mostly used at center of frame, not at sides (kasi ma bent pinch weld from runner if put perpendicular). That's why for car lift, I was thinking if simultaneously sa middle and sides ang lift points.

Anyway. Pinalit ko na lahat na 4 tires ko ng new and spent 25k.

What's strange was that the tire technician said lagay nya car lift sa suspension I told him authoritatively na dapat lagay sa jack points near tires. Without some of you giving me tips you did this too. I couldn't have done it. So thanks to you guys.



I went to look at inside the tire which was string plugged twice. Remember (to summarize)

1. During initial plug, the technician used ATF fluid and insert just plain driver and didn't use standard reamer (nawala daw) so the hole is smaller.

2. During second repair plug, the technician put contact cement with the string plug (wala na daw sila adhesive that came with the string plugs). As you know, contact cement needs to be dried 15 mins before touching them. He didn't and didn't use rubber cement either (which doesn't need drying).

I took video of what the inside of the tire looked like:



There is no binding of the contact cement immediately inserted. This is zoom of it.



Yet the technicians were so convinced that Kronyo string plug they used have built in adhesive. I showed hindi kasi meron separate rubber solutions at Kronyo.

They are official Pirelli service center (and only one branch) in the whole metro manila. All Pirelli tires with punctures got repair the same method (with no adhesive used).

Safe ba talaga wala adhesive? If not, can't anyone tell Pirelli technicians na mali sila? Kasi they were so convinced meron self adhesive sa string plug they even used rugby without letting it dry kasi kala nila since meron na sa loob ng string plug so the rugby is just to placate me (and my ignorance).

So I wrote this last message as a matter of public safety.

Pero if convinced kayo na string plugs don't require adhesive and tama gawa nila, then I'll let the moderators delete all words about Pirelli. I'm kind of mad now kasi I spent 25,000 for all 4 tires change just because they don't do it standard. I was able to pull it out with pliers from the inside with not much effort. Paano if the tire doesn't have a lot of air and nag flex bottom, then baka ma dislodge plug running at 100km/ hour.

Another thing. This is how the string plugged is supposed to be pulled (near the end of the youtube video shared some messages back).



So is this supposed to be how every string plug need to be pulled, ending with 4 strings total inside the hole?? Or does some do 2 insertions too?

I'm asking these last questions because plan ko repair the tire with hole myself and sell it to the used tire shop, so it will end up in somebody car, maybe your friends or kilala or the car in front of you high in Skyway or Edsa at full speed.

I won't belabor it and extend these messages. Last na talaga ito so last ounce ng patients nyo guys. And so many thanks sa lahat na tips (like rugby can't be used as adhesive without drying or car lift can't use the suspension (at least in my car). Without your advices and tips. Hindi ko talaga alam ito.

[yapoy86]

Nice.. now you have peace of mind..

Again, pasak repair is temporary / roadside fix.. kung nasa tire shop ka na, dapat cold patch na.. trabahong tamad yan plug kung tire shop ang gumagawa

[dr. d]

Safe ba talaga wala adhesive? If not, can't anyone tell Pirelli technicians na mali sila? Kasi they were so convinced meron self adhesive sa string plug they even used rugby without letting it dry kasi kala nila since meron na sa loob ng string plug so the rugby is just to placate me (and my ignorance).
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if no one complains...
they might not see the error of their ways.

[hardwang]

This is the kind of thread that makes me think some people really need to learn to DIY...

[Vodka]

here's the plug kit i carry in the car. 100% self vulcanizing daw. no cement required. maybe it's got a different kind of brown goo on it. i dunno coz it looks like like any other plug

but your tire shop is highly unlikely to have these plugs. they definitely shouldn't be using a screwdriver to ream the hole. and ATF would prevent the adhesives from sticking properly