Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[uls]

ano ba ang problema sa unang pasak kung wala naman singaw?

chineck naman yan nilagyan ng tubig wala bubbles

buong holiday season ung gulong ang iniisip what a way to spend the holidays haha

[k_leos]

ano ba ang problema sa unang pasak kung wala naman singaw?

chineck naman yan nilagyan ng tubig wala bubbles

buong holiday season ung gulong ang iniisip what a way to spend the holidays haha

I go on long distance trip to Baguio kasi for example. Ayaw ko mag slip yun plug in the middle of Zigzag late at night. Paano ka maka change tire sa zigzag going uphill to Baguio. Remember wala talaga rubber cement nalagay sa original kasi wala sila stock ng rugby and need pa ako wait 20 minutes while they buy at hardware. And ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) was used as lubricant.

In the video you can hear the technician defending the string plugs have built in adhesive na kasi daw sticky. I hold it pero hindi naman adhesive yun. I showed the box para can see feedback kung meron string plugs na meron built in adhesive.

And he said in 2nd video na purpose ng rubber cement is for lubrication para mabilis ma slip, that's why substitute nila using ATF. I think both are wrong reasons.

My concern now is yun person who will buy my used tire. The hole is made bigger na. Perhaps bigger than original reamer? Kaya thinking if it's safe for him.

Also mag loan pa ako to buy 30,000 pesos of 4 new tires. When wala ka budget, every little thing counts. Victim ako nag pandamic and Omicron is affect it badly na talaga.

[shadow]

Hinde pa rin safe yun second pasak, paulit mo ulit.

Rugby ginamit eh hinde din dumikit dahil dapat pinapatuyo muna ng 15 minutes+ bago pinasok.




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[boybi]

Lahat ng repairs sa gulong, kahit gaano kagaling at katino nung gumawa, may chance na bumigay. Ang bagay lang sayo is to get a new tire everytime mabutasan ka ng gulong.

[Vodka]

rubber cement for tire repair isn't rugby

btw meron glueless tire plugs but they're rare. meron ako nabili sa taiwan. coz those little tubes of rubber cement tend to evaporate so they're empty when you need them

[Miles_on]

Hindi pa rin tapos ang thread na ito?!?!?!
Gee wiz.

Parang Celine Dion ah. "My heart will go on and onnnnnn..."

Edit-

Ganito na lang, upgrade all four tires with the treads of an M1A1. The speed penalty is worth the peace of mind. Kaya lang, what if one comes across a really powerful IED or the latest version RPGs hit them?

Tsikoteers, what to do?!?!?!

[k_leos]

Hinde pa rin safe yun second pasak, paulit mo ulit.

Rugby ginamit eh hinde din dumikit dahil dapat pinapatuyo muna ng 15 minutes+ bago pinasok.




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Naku. Kala ko Rugby is same as rubber cement. Rugby being contact cement is different pala from rubber cement. This is the one exact one used: (nalagay Premium Contact Cement):



So the shop bought contact cement instead of rubber cement for tire. If hindi pinatuyo muna for 15 minutes bago pumasok. Ano mangyari sa rugby inside? You mean mag remain liquid and hindi ma dry kahit sa air pressure inside the gulong??

[dr. d]

Bago ko bili and install new tires. I need to make sure ayus yun pasak na gawa para in case the tires end up with a new user. Hindi ma cause ng harm.

hack the tyre, so's it is obvious that it can't be used no more, on a motor vehicle, but might still be useful as kariton tyre.

post here again, after you have purchased your new tyres.

[dr. d]

Hindi pa rin tapos ang thread na ito?!?!?!
Gee wiz.

Parang Celine Dion ah. "My heart will go on and onnnnnn..."

Edit-

Ganito na lang, upgrade all four tires with the treads of an M1A1. The speed penalty is worth the peace of mind. Kaya lang, what if one comes across a really powerful IED or the latest version RPGs hit them?

Tsikoteers, what to do?!?!?!

i don't know about you, but i'm burning time, what with the holidays.

[AITNIMRA]

Naku. Kala ko Rugby is same as rubber cement. Rugby being contact cement is different pala from rubber cement. This is the one exact one used: (nalagay Premium Contact Cement):



So the shop bought contact cement instead of rubber cement for tire. If hindi pinatuyo muna for 15 minutes bago pumasok. Ano mangyari sa rugby inside? You mean mag remain liquid and hindi ma dry kahit sa air pressure inside the gulong??

naku Bostik contact cement has an ethyl acetate in its component which is a Ketone compound that is known to dissolve rubber slowly.
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Hahaha joke lang sir. move on na baka lalong lumaki yang butas ng gulong mo kapag patuloy mo ipinarepair ng paulit ulit.

[sirkosero]

Just buy a new tire. Tapos na problema mo.

Tapos while driving, pray na hindi mabutas gulong sa dami ng pako sa daan.

In case mabutas, bili uli isang buong set ng gulong.

Maliit na bagay yung vulcanizing..naging complicated. Yung pinatanggal yung pasak at inulit mukhang lalong magkakaproblema pa gulong. Not surprised after a few months oblong yan gulong

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[ninjababez]

Bago ko bili and install new tires. I need to make sure ayus yun pasak na gawa para in case the tires end up with a new user. Hindi ma cause ng harm.

So bumalik ako sa service center to ask what exactly the oil used and if they really used any adhesive or not. The technicians who did them confirmed ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid used) was put and no adhesive was used because they didn't stock any rugby. So I told them to buy a bottle of adhesive (and waited) so they can re do the plugging.

Ito binili nila na adhesive.

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I asked them what exact plug they used. They showed me this.

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Back of box.

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ito loob.

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I told him to remove the original string plug and put new string plug with rubber cement used and not put any ATF.

This is the attempt at removal of the plug (please note if the hole is damaged further and what kind of damages).



In the video, the technician tried to convince me meron daw sariling pagdikit yun string pug (kasi it feels sticky). Is it true?

This is when the new plugs were inserted with rubber cement applied.



here the technician tried to convince me the purpose of the rubber cement was just to make it easy to insert, as lubricant. That's why they substituted with ATF. Tama po ba? Diba the main purpose ng rubber cement is to bind them?

What is your comment about the removal of the old plugs and insertion of the new string plug? May old plug bits natira sa loob ng hole surfaces? If hindi ok, then I'd just destroy the tire so it won't end up with new owner. I told them to redone the pasak for sake of a new user who may happened to buy it. Ikaw, bilihin mo ba yun tire na na 2nd pasak above? Dati I bought 2nd hand tires kasi wala ako budget.

A new tire shop is asking me for 2000 pesos for the 4 tires to deduct from the 4 new tires. Saan ba puwede ibenta mga 4 old tires ko na more than 2000? (500 pesos each)? Ok new tires na Toyo 225/60 R17?

naloko ka nga nila
binutas ulit yun gulong mo, tinanggal yun matinong pasak na nakalagay
dami talaga manloloko [emoji1787][emoji1787]
tsaka dapat nag demand ka ng brandnew tires as danyos sa abala nila
sleepless nights are priceless, pano nila mababayaran ang peace of mind mo.
malamang maraming sosobra sa rugby, baka gamitin lang nila sa illegal yan.
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[dr. d]

I go on long distance trip to Baguio kasi for example. Ayaw ko mag slip yun plug in the middle of Zigzag late at night. Paano ka maka change tire sa zigzag going uphill to Baguio. Remember wala talaga rubber cement nalagay sa original kasi wala sila stock ng rugby and need pa ako wait 20 minutes while they buy at hardware. And ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) was used as lubricant.

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buy that new tyre already!
heh heh.

[yapoy86]

if properly done, wala naman issue yan plug tires.. pero pang emergency road side use lang yan talaga.. after that, pwede naman lagyan ng cold patch yan later for peace of mind..

[ParticleX]

as long as it is done properly, pasak or cold patch should last a long time.

how would you know it was done properly? edi it can hold your tire pressure. pag pangit gawa, flat ka ulit

andaming questions more than answers, nagkaron ka na ng analysis paralysis... puro hypotheticals. hindi dapat masakit sa ulo ang car maintenance.

had a friend na casa maintained lahat ng vehicles kahit 13 yr old BMW, nung napakuan kami and ang available lang na method is hot patch/luto, hindi naman siya ganun kaarte. last time i've checked yung luto pa din ginamit niya until magpalit lahat ng gulong due to wear.

just use the gaddamn tire

[AITNIMRA]

wow 16 pages.......

[papi smith]

wow 16 pages.......

People have a lot of time [emoji23]

[Vodka]

ok lang yan. we all started out as n00bs. just learn from the mistakes.

speaking of mistakes. when i was young some idiot at the tire shop over-torqued my lug nuts so the stud broke another time i was tightening the pinch bolts on an expensive Fox mountain bike fork. cracking the magnesium casting made a horrible sound LOL.

so guess what i now use torque wrenches pretty much everywhere, even on small allen heads

[k_leos]

buy that new tyre already!
heh heh.

Yes. It appears to be the only option left, buying 4 new tires.

I also read https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...n-5-years.html

"New MVIS rules say your tires can't be older than 5 years"

When will LTO implement this? They will ban all tires older than 5 years.

Early this morning I went to the garage to change the tire to reserva because I don't want the rugby string plug to eject out while driving to the tire shop to replace all 4 tires. But I read in the Subaru manual that wheel chocks must be put. I can't find any big wood or bato, so I delayed changing to reserba tire and ordered the following and it's coming about bukas.




Heavy duty. Can even secure an aircraft wheel.

I found out there are many Yokohama service centers. They are selling Yokohama tires made in phils for 6700, and made in Japan for 8700. Some tire shops selling Dunlop LM704 for 8900 and Toyo for 10500. Totoo ba na Toyo tire is matagtag and Dunlop more comfort daw? So while waiting for my heavy duty wheel chocks coming tomorrow. I'd better ask these quick tire brands questions because lahat na 4 ko palit talaga. Kasi AWD car ko. I don't want to regret with the choices.

Anyway. After I realized I made a mistake not aware of the difference between rubber cement and contact cement. I made some research last night at google. I found out not only meron difference ang rubber cement and contact cement. But meron rin big difference ang rubber vulcanizing solution vs rubber cement. The former can bind the rubber at the molecular level so if you use a string plug with this. Parang na binded na talagang ang rubber string to the hole? This will make for successful pasak talaga! So I wrote the following for future reference and in case someday the service head of the Kamuning center can read this so as to inform their workers mali ganawa nila putting rugby in my string repair.

I saw the following Kyoto set in the net.



There is a rubber solution included. That means yun Kronyo string plug used by the technicians don't have built in solution. This is the kamuning shop Kronyo string plugs again:



Then I searched ano ingredients ng Kronyo rubber solution. I saw this.





Then I read the best explanation of the difference between vulcanizing cement solution vs rubber cement. I'd like confirmation that the Kronyo rubber solution or other solutions included with string plugs are the same as vulcanizing solution described in the following (is it?? or is the following only true for patches?? but note the Kronyo rubber solution is used for both their pathces and string plugs). Because if it is the same. Talagang mag work ang Pasak if you use the right solution because it will bind the string plug and tire rubber at the molecular level pa. I regret I didn't learn this before yesterday.

How do vulcanizing tire patches work? : bicycling

"Chemist here - natural rubber is a polymer (long chain-like molecules). Vulcanizing adds cross-links (through disulfide bonds) to the rubber, basically turning the strands of rubber molecules into a net, greatly increasing strength. Bike tubes are vulcanized rubber, but the outer surfaces are treated such that all those cross-linking sulfur groups aren't reaching out and trying to grab anything. You put on some vulcanizing fluid (henceforth "glue") and a few disulfide bonds in the tube get broken and re-formed with bonds to the polymers in the glue. Once the glue dries (there's a bit of solvent that has to evaporate) the inner side of the glue spot is chemically bound to the tire. The outer side is left with a bunch of free sulfur groups waiting to grab onto some other sulfur groups. Then you peel that piece of foil off the orange side of the tire patch (which exposes the free sulfur groups left on the patch) and press it to the glue spot - you've now made millions of chemical bonds between the patch and the glue spot. It's not really glued, though - the patch-"glue"-tire system is now one single molecule all chemically bound together.

The chemical bond holding things together is why:

The tube has to be clean and dry - the sulfur groups reaching out for something to grab onto will grab dirt, water, and other gunk instead of the patch.

You can't use duct tape or regular glue - these are sticky substances that don't vulcanize the rubber together. Rubber cement may hold a patch in place but it is NOT the same stuff.

Glueless patches kinda suck - the vulcanizing fluid in the little tubes works better at making bonds with the punctured bike tube.

You can make patches out of old tubes - at its most basic you're vulcanizing two pieces of rubber together, so two pieces of bike tube will stick to each other."

[Dr.Kamiya]

ok lang yan. we all started out as n00bs. just learn from the mistakes.

speaking of mistakes. when i was young some idiot at the tire shop over-torqued my lug nuts so the stud broke another time i was tightening the pinch bolts on an expensive Fox mountain bike fork. cracking the magnesium casting made a horrible sound LOL.

so guess what i now use torque wrenches pretty much everywhere, even on small allen heads

Agreed on the over-torquing thing. Very possible to strip the bolts and have them suddenly fail, more unpredictable and catastropic failure mode compared to under-tightened nuts.

Kaya I don't like it when shops use a breaker bar to tighten the lugnuts. Hand-tight lang with the cross wrench is more than enough, although having a proper torque wrench is ideal.