Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[k_leos]

Hi, this morning, na flat ako and I went to a car service center and saw they put plug/pasak (like spaghetti) on the hole. Pero pinalaki muna nila hole to insert it. Yet the technician couldn't insert it. Kaya linagay kunti oil to let it slip. Naka rinig ka ng ganya? But nowhere did I read in the net that it was ok to put some oil. I'm afraid it may either slip or the air inside may get into the belt/ply. What would happen if pa patch ko yun portion inside it to seal the belt/play on the plug/pasak spot?

[glenn_duke]

Hi, this morning, na flat ako and I went to a car service center and saw they put plug/pasak (like spaghetti) on the hole. Pero pinalaki muna nila hole to insert it. Yet the technician couldn't insert it. Kaya linagay kunti oil to let it slip. Naka rinig ka ng ganya? But nowhere did I read in the net that it was ok to put some oil. I'm afraid it may either slip or the air inside may get into the belt/ply. What would happen if pa patch ko yun portion inside it to seal the belt/play on the plug/pasak spot?

I have a plug/pasak DIY puncture repair kit which I bring in my road trips. Used it twice, yup, its very difficult to insert esp if your tire thread is still thick. My kit has a tube of repair glue included, you put the glue into the puncture before you insert the plug. The oil you think they used is probably the repair kit glue.

I always have it redone in proper vulca shops using the patch. In my observation no air is lost using the plug, I have a tpms to monitor it.

[k_leos]

I have a plug/pasak DIY puncture repair kit which I bring in my road trips. Used it twice, yup, its very difficult to insert esp if your tire thread is still thick. My kit has a tube of repair glue included, you put the glue into the puncture before you insert the plug. The oil you think they used is probably the repair kit glue.

I always have it redone in proper vulca shops using the patch. In my observation no air is lost using the plug, I have a tpms to monitor it.

I'm sure they used oil because the main technician said the assistant get some oil to make easy to insert and I saw him with an old can with oil from the engine oil replacement area and got screwdriver to let the oil in. They didn't use the repair kit glue. The assistant said it was alll oil and rubberized strings. But I'm beginning to worry because I read the hole should be rough and not smoothing it with oil. Also I read plug/pasak can damage the steel belt that keeps the tire's structure intact and can cause bulge in the spot.

If I'd have patch done tomorrow on the spot by opening up the rim. What would likely happen since the hole is now bigger than the original? Would it cause other side effect. A new tire costs 11,000 pesos.

[k_leos]

About patch. Does anyone know a service center (or vulcanizing shop) around the Thomas Morato Ave area (Timog St) in QC that uses so called cold patch system inside rim instead of using high temperature? How many still use the latter? Also service center with good security because you don't want to be vulnerable with a car inside a corner.

You can dm me if it is not allowed to post a shop name.

I assume it is safe to patch a tire that was already plugged (pasak). Thanks.

[glenn_duke]

I'm sure they used oil because the main technician said the assistant get some oil to make easy to insert and I saw him with an old can with oil from the engine oil replacement area and got screwdriver to let the oil in. They didn't use the repair kit glue. The assistant said it was alll oil and rubberized strings. But I'm beginning to worry because I read the hole should be rough and not smoothing it with oil. Also I read plug/pasak can damage the steel belt that keeps the tire's structure intact and can cause bulge in the spot.

If I'd have patch done tomorrow on the spot by opening up the rim. What would likely happen since the hole is now bigger than the original? Would it cause other side effect. A new tire costs 11,000 pesos.

The vulca shop crew will use a plier to take off the plug, grind the surface, put a glue and the patch.
The plug is not a piece of metal its ruberry but softer it will contract. So it will not be any bigger than the original hole.

I had a puncture before that needed 2 patches to cover the hole. The patch outlived the life of the tire thread.

[k_leos]

The vulca shop crew will use a plier to take off the plug, grind the surface, put a glue and the patch.
The plug is not a piece of metal its ruberry but softer it will contract. So it will not be any bigger than the original hole.

I had a puncture before that needed 2 patches to cover the hole. The patch outlived the life of the tire thread.

I mean originally, only a nail was in the tire. Then they used screwdriver to make the hole bigger so the rubber plug could fit (as many who users who saw the procedure reported).

If the new shop will put patches inside. He still has to remove the rubber plug? I thought it would remain. What happens if it would not be removed? Without any thing to block the rubber outside, won't air/water from outside like flood, can slowly seep into the belt/ply system over the years?

[glenn_duke]

I mean originally, only a nail is in the tire. Then they used screwdriver to make the hole bigger so the rubber plug could fit (as many who users who saw the procedure reported).

If the new shop will put patches inside. He still has to remove the rubber plug? I thought it would remain. What happens if it would not be removed? Without any thing to block the rubber outside, won't air/water from outside like flood, can slowly seep into the belt/ply system over the years?

When you insert the plug, there will be an extension of the plug protruding inside the tire. Since its soft rubber, grinding it will be difficult, thats why the crew will remove it using a long nose plier. In most instances all the plug will come out, some will be left behind.

I prefer to leave some part of the plug behind to cover whatever the patch plus tire pressure could not cover.

A puncture is a puncture, its a hole, removing the nail that caused the puncture will not heal the tire, there will still be a hole in there. Patches and plug do their job to keep the air inside your tire. Unless your tire is made of biodegradable rubber, you should not worry about air and water creeping in a tiny hole.

[jut703]

This is a surprisingly long discussion for a very simple topic.

I get my vulcanizing done at Goodyear Servitek near my place. 400 pesos with a decent tire changer and good mechanics. They use your typical patches.

Have tracked my car several times with patched tires, also countless roadtrips.

If you don’t feel confident with the repair of the tire, change it. Simple as that.


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[shadow]

Ano ulit ang problema dito? Paikot-ikot na lang yun kwento.


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[k_leos]

Ano ulit ang problema dito? Paikot-ikot na lang yun kwento.


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My questions.

1. Ano torques used in the impact wrench? Is it hydraulic? Kasi if ma overtighten ang nuts ay mabasag nuts (masira rin yun bolts)?

2. Very necessary ang car stand? Kasi I haven't used the car since Dec 28. Bukas balak ko palit reserba na tire before going to the service center pero ordinary screw car jack lang gamit ko. Hindi pa ako naka palit tire so I wonder if ma slip yun screw car jack and absolutely necessary to buy a car stand and put under the suspensions.

My last questions po. Hehe. Sori for the questions but I have been googling it yesterday and couldn't find the answers especially the torques of the impact wrench used and what wattage (based on the video).

[Yatta]

My questions.

1. Ano torques used in the impact wrench? Is it hydraulic? Kasi if ma overtighten ang nuts ay mabasag nuts (masira rin yun bolts)?

2. Very necessary ang car stand? Kasi I haven't used the car since Dec 28. Bukas balak ko palit reserba na tire before going to the service center pero ordinary screw car jack lang gamit ko. Hindi pa ako naka palit tire so I wonder if ma slip yun screw car jack and absolutely necessary to buy a car stand and put under the suspensions.

My last questions po. Hehe. Sori for the questions but I have been googling it yesterday and couldn't find the answers especially the torques of the impact wrench used and what wattage (based on the video).

1. Not sure what the torque is, alam ko they just run the wrench (I know its compressed air-driven) till it can't spin anymore. Cons lang niyan sa sobrang sikip, ang hirap na baklasin by hand (happened to me to the point the lugnuts got rounded and I had to use a chisel to just break it).

2. Kung sandali lang naman like changing a tire, ok lang wala, especially if screw-type yun jack. Delikado kapag extended work gagawin mo and yung hydraulic-type/bottle jack, dahil baka bigla tumagas/leak yung seals.

[uls]

ay juice ko magpapalit lang ng reserba kailangan pa ng jack stand?

[oj88]

Scissor jacks are relatively safe for emergency use (as in, low duty cycle use) such as changing a flat. For prolonged work or frequent use, alligator jack + jack stands. Particularly when working on brakes or suspension parts.

The thing that people forget is to put wheel chocks on the other tires. For example is when servicing rear tires on a rear-drive vehicle. Walang lock yung front tires so it's critical that they are chocked.

[dr. d]

Scissor jacks are relatively safe for emergency use (as in, low duty cycle use) such as changing a flat. For prolonged work or frequent use, alligator jack + jack stands. Particularly when working on brakes or suspension parts.

The thing that people forget is to put wheel chocks on the other tires. For example is when servicing rear tires on a rear-drive vehicle. Walang lock yung front tires so it's critical that they are chocked.

i have a pair of wooden dos-por-cuatros in my rear trunk.
very useful, especially when the surface in question is not perfectly flat.

[uls]

as long as hindi gagalaw ung kotse (parking brake, wheel chocks) safe gamitin ung jack

ilan minuto lang naman mag palit ng gulong

kung magpapalit ng brake pads, suspension parts dun gagamitin ang jack stand

[dr. d]

my apologies for posting this,

you've owned a car for six years now,...
you should youtube for videos on how to change a flat tyre.

[k_leos]

my apologies for posting this,

you've owned a car for six years now,...
you should youtube for videos on how to change a flat tyre.

2 days ago kasi when I first tried to use the torque wrench. I tried to turn it until it can freely run. Kala ko same as torque screw driver. When you use a torque screw driver and it reaches let's say 50 kn.meter torque. Ma turn na freely yun screw driver. Pero hindi pala ganun yun torque wrench. So baka na over tighten ko tire nuts.

Also ang nangyari is nag move yun car when using the torque wrench. So I was worried

1. Baka na over tighten ko 2 days ago the nuts to say 180 kn. meter. (120 kn.meter ang nasa manual).

2. Second is if I'd change the tire to reserva. Worried baka ma tangal yun jack. so want to know if necessary ang jack stand.

3. I have to loan money just to buy the 4 tires. I'm broke na because of the pandemic. Wala business for 6 months. Have to pay pa madami unpaid loans. Tapus padating pa Omicron na ito. Hay.

4. Lastly, bukas if the technician at any tire service center will use impact wrench either on 2nd pasak repair or installation of 4 new tires. It will take me effort to tell him to use my torque wrench. So I have to know exactly ano torques ng hydraulic impact wrench so have the reasons and justification to confront any technician/vulganizer. I tried to google yesterday pero wala ako mahanap na exact torque of the impact wrench. Hence I posted again today to ask some critical information before tomorrow.

[uls]

ayaw gamitin ang sasakyan kasi pasak was used to repair a tire

takot mag palit ng reserba kasi baka ma-over tighten ang nuts

takot mag palit ng reserba kasi baka matumba ang jack

[dr. d]

2 days ago kasi when I first tried to use the torque wrench. I tried to turn it until it can freely run. Kala ko same as torque screw driver. When you use a torque screw driver and it reaches let's say 50 kn.meter torque. Ma turn na freely yun screw driver. Pero hindi pala ganun yun torque wrench. So baka na over tighten ko tire nuts.

Also ang nangyari is nag move yun car when using the torque wrench. So I was worried

1. Baka na over tighten ko 2 days ago the nuts to say 180 kn. meter. (120 kn.meter ang nasa manual).

2. Second is if I'd change the tire to reserva. Worried baka ma tangal yun jack. so want to know if necessary ang jack stand.

3. I have to loan money just to buy the 4 tires. I'm broke na because of the pandemic. Wala business for 6 months. Have to pay pa madami unpaid loans. Tapus padating pa Omicron na ito. Hay.

4. Lastly, bukas if the technician at any tire service center will use impact wrench either on 2nd pasak repair or installation of 4 new tires. It will take me effort to tell him to use my torque wrench. So I have to know exactly ano torques ng hydraulic impact wrench so have the reasons and justification to confront any technician/vulganizer. I tried to google yesterday pero wala ako mahanap na exact torque of the impact wrench. Hence I posted again today to ask some critical information before tomorrow.

in my more than 30 years of car ownership and self-maintenance and repair,
i have never used a torque wretch on my wheels.
and never has any of them fallen off or died or fractured from over-tightening.

well, once...
i forgot to tighten my wheel after replacing it.
after a few meters... "what is that funny sound...?"
heh heh.

[shadow]

K.I.S.S.


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