Gas saving device

[mazdamazda]

blugsr,

most of the forumers here lost their credibility and trust on you guys due to that double account that was created. i don't know what the rationale behind that if you indeed are the "customers".

[blugsr98]

the rational on being a customer is that we don't benefit on how much sales the dealer will get.
we just share our findings 'coz nobody have the courage to test the product.
talking about credibility, i guess the actual demo that odee is giving you guys as an option would answer this.
let's just agree with the date and place. i assure you raijuta and myself will be there. though i'm not sure if jplazo could also join us. honestly, i don't really know him, i just communicate with him thru the other forum. what i can do is to invite hin also.
so, is that enough for you guys to stop claiming that we are fake? huh?

[luckytruck]

guys, can anyone confirm that Ford Philippines/Makati has endorsed this product? that would be a good starting point.

andy

[silver_corolla]

Here is from The Sunday Times. Mike Luyon of Ford Makati testifies.....

Sunday, September 26, 2004


Saving money from thin air

Pablo Planas’ Khaos Super Turbo Charger

By Rome Jorge

It is nothing high-tech. At 4 inches in length, 3 inches in height and 9 kilos in weight, the Khaos Super Turbo Charger (KSTC) is little more than a palm-sized assembly of chrome-plated tubes, anodized aluminum caps, stainless steel bolts and a cut-out scrubbing pad for a filter. It is so simple it could be constructed in many of our local machine shops, and it is. Its inventor Pablo Planas did not finish college. But his invention is nothing to sneeze at. It contains no turbine and is certainly not chaotic.

Planas named his invention after the Greek goddess of air, the Khaos Super Turbo Charger. Everybody wants it.

Energy Secretary Vincent Perez endorses its use. Makati Land Trans__portation Office chief Luciano Caparas swears by it. President Arroyo recognizes its inventor with the Presidential Award Medal for Outstanding Invention. Representative Generoso Tulagan of San Carlos Pangasinan insists on its installation on all his staff vehicles. San Jose Builders Inc.’s Gerry Acuzar finances KSTC’s distributor, Inventionhaus International; he is a satisfied customer himself.

They believe KSTC saves them fuel. And new customers keep on coming.

Since November 2003, 3,500 units have been sold. Inquiring motorists walk in Inventionhaus Interna_tional’s grimy and chaotic office at the Timog Avenue’s President Tower every few minutes. Newsmen from television and print add to the crowd. The second floor parking space just outside the office is filled with cars, its owners availing themselves of the free installation.

It is worth P6,500. Customers like Caparas attest it is worth every cent. “My 2002 Toyota Revo 1.8 liter gasoline engine consumed one liter of fuel to every 7 kilometers. After installation my engine went further at 10 kilometers per liter.” He adds, “The performance is better than ever. It is more powerful and smoother on climbs.”

How it works

KSTC, despite its name, is not a turbocharger. It does not force-feed fuel and oxygen into the engine like a real turbocharger would. It simply allows in more air, not fuel, through a calibrated and filtered hole on the intake manifold, after the carburetor has already mixed fuel and air into fine mixture. Most engines have a plug in the manifold intake where a tube from the KSTC can allow more air to get sucked in and no drilling is required. KSTC works only for gasoline engines.

Gasoline engines are most efficient with a fuel to air ratio of 15 is to one. The mixture is deter_mined by the carburetor that opens a butterfly valve to let air in every time one steps on the gas pedal. The rushing air sucks along with it a fine spray of gasoline. The further one steps on the gas the wider the valve opens and the faster air sucks in more gasoline.

The problem, according to Planas, is when the engine is idle—when one does not step on the gas pedal at all and the butterfly valve is totally closed. Only a trickle of fuel and air is supplied to the engine to keep it from dying through an alternate fuel-air route called the idle circuit. Planas notes, “The gasoline-to-air ratio when an engine is idle is not 15 to one. The mixture is too rich, too much fuel is wasted.” Incorrect fuel air mixture produces unburnt fuel and increased carbon monoxide emissions, contributing to pollution.

Planas highlights that “the very definition of ‘idle’ is useless.” KSTC seeks to remedy the inefficiency by supplying more air to the engine.

However, many of today’s high-end cars use, instead of carburetors, electronic fuel injection systems that automatically calibrate the fuel-air ratio, whether at idle or at acceleration, to its most optimum ratio. A computer constantly corrects the fuel air mixture based on exhaust sensors. Performance cars often use forced induction systems such as superchargers, turbochargers, nitrous systems that force-feed an engine air and fuel.

KSTC has knobs with which to calibrate the air it supplies. It comes with its own air filter, evidently made from the same materials as scrubbing pads. According to Planas, it needs to be maintained every three months by cleaning the unit with soap and water. KSTC has a lifetime guarantee.

Proof is in the numbers

Taiwan’s Automotive Research and Testing Center verifies and quantifies KSTC’s impact on fuel efficiency. Tested on a Mitsubishi Freeca (Adventure) with an original carbon monoxide emission of 1.0 percent, the device was found to lower emissions to 0.1 percent. The Mitsubishi Freeca tested used a gasoline engine with a fuel injection system. Test results state the engine did not have any catalytic converter. It did not specify any electronic fuel management system.

Month-long tests by Ford Makati have thus far finds no harm in its use. According to Mike Luyon of its parts and services division, “our findings have so far indicated the device does no damage to the engine.”

As for fuel efficiency, “Ford engines, like most high end vehicles today, utilize computerized fuel injection systems that automatically calibrate the fuel-air ratio.” However, he notes, “There is a lag time before the electronic system kick-in. KSTC can make up for that.”

He states that “installation of the device will not violate the warranty of a Ford engine as long as it is not found to be the cause of the damage.” And clarifies that it does not throw-off the calibration of electronic forded induction devices “because their sensors are located at the exhaust.” The computer compensates for the fuel-air mixture changes brought about by the KSTC as well.

His tests are still on-going and are not conclusive.

Fuel crisis then, fuel crisis now

The KSTC is nothing new; it was invented by Planas in 1973 and was formerly named “Gas Reducer.” Planas admits, “It was a hard sell then because of its claims of being the world’s number one fuel-saving device.”

Just as the current petrol prices now prompt such avid media attention, the oil crisis three decades ago inspired Planas to investigate the cause of engine inefficiency and pollution that it produces.

In 1974, President Marcos endorsed the testing of the product to different government agencies including the military. In 1976 his device won first place among 44 gadgets in a technical test. In 1977 reports of National Pollution Control Commission found the device effective.

A simple man, a simple device

In person, Pablo Planas is articulate. Though this 67-year-old former jeepney operator and father of three daughters lacks college education, he finished several vocational courses, including one on automotive mechanics.

He is warm, affable and jovial in a sober manner. He lacks the slick hard-selling guile of salesmen. Instead, he is surrounded by business-savvy partners.

He has more than 25 dealers nationwide and is represented in as far away as Davao and Baguio. KSTC is manufactured by several machine shops to his specifications.

He states that several foreign firms have offered him generous sums for the rights to his device. He says he has so far refused them. Apart from endorsements, the government has yet to support further development of the product. Though Philippine patents have been acquired, foreign patents are still being processed.

[luckytruck]

>>>>Month-long tests by Ford Makati have thus far finds no harm in its use. According to Mike Luyon of its parts and services division, “our findings have so far indicated the device does no damage to the engine.”

He states that “installation of the device will not violate the warranty of a Ford engine as long as it is not found to be the cause of the damage.” And clarifies that it does not throw-off the calibration of electronic forded induction devices “because their sensors are located at the exhaust.” The computer compensates for the fuel-air mixture changes brought about by the KSTC as well.

His tests are still on-going and are not conclusive. <<<<<

hugas kamay din ang taga ford makati, "it will not void the warranty as long as it is not found to be the cause of the damage"

ayos, very comforting

[raijuta]

Sorry guys mukhang malaking gulo yng nagwa ko. I was just flamed up by some harsh comments of ghosthunter. Really really really sorry po.....

To Mr/Ms/ Ghost hunter

You know, di ko alam kng bata ka pa or matanda ka na, pero the fact that you can't stop..bringing up about the fake accounts..just shows na di ka pa mature to handle situations like this. Moderator ka pa naman, you should be the one promoting peace here. You should be the referee at di ikaw yung nagpapainit ng situation. Ok na yung usapan eh, then here you are bringing up that fake topic again.
Bakit di mo gayahin yung ibang mods dito, na purely intellectual yung discussion na gusto nila hope you wont take this personally...just wnt you to be a better mod.

Again sorry po ulit..for being childish...at nagawa ko po yun para lng masagot si ghosthunter... If it will help...bkit di po kayo pumayag sa gusto ni blu gsr..na makipagkita..para po matigil na tong gulo na to....at makapag discuss na po tayo ng mahusay tungkol sa produkto ....ako na po ulit yung humihingi ng paumanhin..sa inyo...

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by blugsr98

does that answer your question? hmm, seems that your nose is clogged with "something".

or do you really want to prove that you are rght saying that raijuta and myself are fake, why don't we just proceed with the demo and meet you there in person. that is if you have the "xxxxx".

Personal attacks will not prove if the device works or not. It does prove another thing but its not relevant in regards to the device.

This thread's topic is the device. Keep to the topic.

[blugsr98]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
Personal attacks will not prove if the device works or not. It does prove another thing but its not relevant in regards to the device.

This thread's topic is the device. Keep to the topic.

are you saying this to me or to yourself? (self realization i guess)... can you also address this to all of us who are guilty?
take note, we are not the one's who started this "personal attack". Isn't it?

The demo will prove a lot of things in here. Device capability as well as blu_gsr and raijuta's existence.

so, just give us your comfirmation that you're in to DEMO. see you there... just say when and where you want at your most convenient time as odee offered to put an end to this issue.

[raijuta]

Mods,

Mga sirs, maganda po ang intention po namin ni blu kya po kami nag post dto. Marami po kc kaming nakikitang nagtatanong ng "anyone tried the product" so we agreed to test the product and have our cars to be the guinea pig. We posted our results... and tried different suggestions on how to measure the efficiency of the device. Wla naman po kaming magagain na kita or kng ano man sa pag popost eh.... gusto lng po namin mapakita sa mga members ng ibat ibang car clubs yung results na nakukuha namin habang nagtetest. Then...what do we get...? harsh comments from one of your mods...ni try po namin na wag patulan ang mga comments ni ghosthunter....and even say sorry kng mali yung type ng testing na ginagawa namin..and accepted his/her suggestions. But here we go again...comes the great ghosthunters harsh comments...eh wla tayong makukuhang magandang discussion kng "personal attacks" yng gagawin ni ghosthunter. Mod pa naman sya. Sya dapat yung maging middle person...and try to keep the discussion intellectual.

I hope we learned some lessons from the discussions here....being a mod gives you a great power and privileges but also..a great responsibility.

[FrankDrebin]

Hey easy guys walang personalan. Khaos ang pinaguusapan hindi chaos.

It is true na talagang titipid sa fuel consumption itong KHAOS dahil SAKAL ang ginagawa nito accrdg to your posts and my understanding. Actually matagal ng practice ng mga Jeepneys, Taxis(carburateur types), etc itong technique na ito para makatipid sa fuel at hindi sila gumagamit ng Khaos.

Ang point nila Ghost, et. al ay yung long term effect ito sa engine like yung increase sa temp which is true naman sa expierence ko with my scoot (i've tested a lean mixture for a month, tipid nga sya pero sobrang init/singaw ng makina so hininto ko na at masisira ang makina kapag tumagal at mapapalaki lang ang gastos).

IMO, this Khaos is an old technique modified for this modern time. At siyempre kapag tumataas ang presyo ng gasolina maraming gimik na maiimbento ang mga taong oppurtunista.

[blugsr98]

actually, worried din ako personally on having a lean A/F ratio. thanks to the info i ot on this forum. kaya nga i immediately contact odee to have my car undergo stoich test and he is more than willing to subject the product on this test.
the problem is we don't know any specific shop that conduct this kind of test.
appreciate if you guys could suggest a shop.
this time, you all are very much welcome to witness actual testing.
hope we could close this issue once and for all. di na din kasi healthy or constructive yung exchange of messages. thanks! PEACE...

[Jayo]

“guys, can anyone confirm that Ford Philippines/Makati has endorsed this product? that would be a good starting point.”

andy,
Even if Ford Makati endorses this product I would not have it installed in my truck or any vehicle with electronic (computer if you prefer) engine management system. Ford’s 4.6l/5.4l engines, have intake sensors, mass airflow/air intake temperature which will be bypassed (un-metered air) by this “Khaos” device which will result in a lean burn (excessive heat), that’s bad. But, the system has four sensors at the exhaust that compensate, 2 pre cats which checks for lean or rich condition and adjust accordingly and 2 post cats which checks for cats operation. In case there’s detonation or pinging (again because of lean burn), “knock sensors” are there to do their job.

As for fuel efficiency, “Ford engines, like most high end vehicles today, utilize computerized fuel injection systems that automatically calibrate the fuel-air ratio.” However, he notes, “There is a lag time before the electronic system kick-in. KSTC can make up for that.”

Lags always exists, that’s the time to react and correct. But, which lag would you rather have, lean/rich?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by blugsr98
actually, worried din ako personally on having a lean A/F ratio. thanks to the info i ot on this forum. kaya nga i immediately contact odee to have my car undergo stoich test and he is more than willing to subject the product on this test.
the problem is we don't know any specific shop that conduct this kind of test.
appreciate if you guys could suggest a shop.
this time, you all are very much welcome to witness actual testing.
hope we could close this issue once and for all. di na din kasi healthy or constructive yung exchange of messages. thanks! PEACE...

Given that your "dealer" cannot give you a place where you can have the device tested for air-fuel ratio and emissions gives doubts to the claims about it being tested and certified, doesn't it?

Anyway, as for the NOx emissions test, I think I have a way to test for NOx emissions but I have yet to do initial tests for this home laboratory type of an experiment for its sensitivity and proper procedures for it. I will try to find the time to do this but don't hold your breath because I am quite busy with work and home stuff.

[ghosthunter]

Here's a passing thought.

Since a lean burning engine hotter than normal, I can only assume it's exhaust gasses is also hotter than normal. A car equipted with a catalytic converter might eventually find its catalytic converter damaged/destroyed because of the catalytic converter elements overheating for long periods of time.

Unfortunately there is no way to check the condition of your catalytic converter except by removing it and looking directly inside it.

A replacement converter is expensive. Nodalos sells/installs them for around P12,000 each a couple of years ago. Casa would probably cost more.

[blugsr98]

so can this be notice by merely looking on the temp gauge or not? innocent question lang po.

actually the basis of the dealer is only based on the inventor's claim. so, till we haven't relly checked this on our cars (hoping to have it checked soon), anything we might have to observe on our cars? please advise.

[Jayo]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
Here's a passing thought.

Since a lean burning engine hotter than normal, I can only assume it's exhaust gasses is also hotter than normal. A car equipted with a catalytic converter might eventually find its catalytic converter damaged/destroyed because of the catalytic converter elements overheating for long periods of time.

Unfortunately there is no way to check the condition of your catalytic converter except by removing it and looking directly inside it.

A replacement converter is expensive. Nodalos sells/installs them for around P12,000 each a couple of years ago. Casa would probably cost more.

This is true for cars/trucks without post cats O2 sensors.

Maybe, just maybe. If you kept a record of your last emission test can compare results and conclude from there?

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by Jayo
andy,
Even if Ford Makati endorses this product I would not have it installed in my truck or any vehicle with electronic (computer if you prefer) engine management system. Ford’s 4.6l/5.4l engines, have intake sensors, mass airflow/air intake temperature which will be bypassed (un-metered air) by this “Khaos” device which will result in a lean burn (excessive heat), that’s bad. But, the system has four sensors at the exhaust that compensate, 2 pre cats which checks for lean or rich condition and adjust accordingly and 2 post cats which checks for cats operation. In case there’s detonation or pinging (again because of lean burn), “knock sensors” are there to do their job.

that's the reason why despite their gas-guzzler nature, Ford SUVs are classified as ULEV (ultra low emmission vehicles)!

that's why there is a lot of question about letting in additional air after the air mass & temp sensor. theoretically, if the pre-cats and post-cats detect this then they will just compensate by commanding the ECU to pump in more fuel. but there is a limit as to only how much additional fuel the ECU can put in (max of 15% i think) that the engine will start to burn lean.

[ericp]

HI Odee,

....curious lang ako...

do you have copies of the original test results? I mean those that are being used as basis for the ads?

Na-test na ba talaga yung product ...using "real" test equipment...ever?

Thanks !

[luckytruck]

jayo, ako rin pare, my dad has an F150, and i will not put anything on it that is not 100% unquestionably safe. eh ang mahal mahal ng piyesa, paano kung masira pa yun in an effort to save a few hundered pesos a month on gas bills.

kahit siguro pajero ko, di ko rin gagawin ang di ako 100% sure, kasi sayang din kotse ko. iisa pa naman kotse ko.

ako naman, i am of the mantra that "if its too good to be true, it most likely isn't"

but, if someone else wants to put it on his car, more power to him, it's a free country.

andy

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by blugsr98
so can this be notice by merely looking on the temp gauge or not? innocent question lang po.

nope... the temp guage in the car's dashboard is not accurate at all. All the car's dashboard temp guage is saying is your engine is operating within its "normal" zone which could be anywhere within 50 degrees range or even more!

If you want the actual temperature, you'll need to install/attach a real water temp guage to your engine.