2008 Mitsubishi Lancer EX GLX / GLS / MX / GT / GTA [ARCHIVED]

[ianmitsulancer]

*ianmitsulancer

I drove it sa Bangkok. Actually, kasama ko si sir SaberRider. We both liked the paddle shifters, it added a sporty touch to it pero hanggang doon nalang... sporty touch, no sporty performance. Si sir Saber nagpa reserve na para sa upcoming Evo nila. Walang hiya, bagsak agad ng US$40k para di maunahan. If you guys need money kay sir Saber kayo! Loaded yan, self made pa!

actually in thailand, the New Lancer has not been launched yet- unforseeable pa! because the Lancer is not selling well there and the thai is concentrating on the strada assembly on a global scale! they are still selling the current Lancers. UNLESS- gray market ang napadpad nyo dyan... shall i ask for money from sir saber ... pambili ng kotse! i need a car asap- gusto ko Strada 3.2 or New Lancer...

paging sir saber... may i...? hehehe

[lugarai]

That's highly illogical sir. I've encountered vehicles abroad that are as highly well-packaged in terms of safety feature but weigh less. The Mazda 3 is very heavy but it only has 2 airbags, also the same with the Focus. Mas magaan pa yung top line civic w/ 4 airbags. Of course pwede idahilan yung ABS, EBD, Brake Assist..etc.. but that already came standard with the previous gen cars but it still weighed less than the car now. Like yung Altis ngayon sa previous Altis... almost the same lahat pero lalo siyang bumigat at humina ang HP and NM ng 18L niya. It's a shame because Japanes cars used to be lighter than it's European predecessors and yet pack as many safety features none the less. Ngayon, it's turning out to be a heavyweight contest.

Sir how about the standard 18" wheels and bodykits, subwoofer and some extra speakers (6+2), i think eto yung added wt tama po ba?

[niky]

That's highly illogical sir. I've encountered vehicles abroad that are as highly well-packaged in terms of safety feature but weigh less. The Mazda 3 is very heavy but it only has 2 airbags, also the same with the Focus. Mas magaan pa yung top line civic w/ 4 airbags. Of course pwede idahilan yung ABS, EBD, Brake Assist..etc.. but that already came standard with the previous gen cars but it still weighed less than the car now. Like yung Altis ngayon sa previous Altis... almost the same lahat pero lalo siyang bumigat at humina ang HP and NM ng 18L niya. It's a shame because Japanes cars used to be lighter than it's European predecessors and yet pack as many safety features none the less. Ngayon, it's turning out to be a heavyweight contest.

It's not illogical at all. Which is safer... a feature-packed Chery QQ with dual airbags, or a Honda Civic with none? Airbags are a supplementary safety feature. What Redorange is talking about is passive safety... in other words, how stiff the chassis is, and how well it is able to withstand impact stresses.

A Civic or a Corolla is lighter than a Mazda3 or Ford Focus, yes, but the Mazda3/Focus is a stiffer car. This shows up in handling behavior... the current Focus can outhandle smaller, lighter cars because the bodyshell is extremely rigid and resists deformation under high cornering loads. This is what allows Ford Focuses to have a supple ride, yet still handle as well as stiffly sprung Japanese cars.

The 7th-8th Generation Civics are heavier than the previous ones, due to safety needs. The new Corolla is around 100 kilograms heavier than the old Corolla... whose body shell lacked the rigidity of more modern cars and returned disappointing numbers in crash testing in the US because of this (can't remember the source, but this was three years ago, so don't ask me...).

In fact, if you want a lighter car nowadays, you have to look at the outgoing Lancer... which doesn't do as well in crash testing as many newer cars here,

And the new Corolla didn't lose any power. Toyota Philippines has, for the longest time, been lying about the output of the 1.8 liter engine sold here. They rectified that mistake with the current model... which is actually more powerful than the previous one.

The Europeans aren't standing still, either. While Japanese cars are getting porky, European cars are getting porkier still, thanks to the added luxury and features they pack on top of all that weight. Your basic Japanese compact may be between 1200-1300 kilos now, but there are German compacts pushing 1500 kilos already.

[AutoMAN]

It's not illogical at all. Which is safer... a feature-packed Chery QQ with dual airbags, or a Honda Civic with none? Airbags are a supplementary safety feature. What Redorange is talking about is passive safety... in other words, how stiff the chassis is, and how well it is able to withstand impact stresses.

A Civic or a Corolla is lighter than a Mazda3 or Ford Focus, yes, but the Mazda3/Focus is a stiffer car. This shows up in handling behavior... the current Focus can outhandle smaller, lighter cars because the bodyshell is extremely rigid and resists deformation under high cornering loads. This is what allows Ford Focuses to have a supple ride, yet still handle as well as stiffly sprung Japanese cars.

The 7th-8th Generation Civics are heavier than the previous ones, due to safety needs. The new Corolla is around 100 kilograms heavier than the old Corolla... whose body shell lacked the rigidity of more modern cars and returned disappointing numbers in crash testing in the US because of this (can't remember the source, but this was three years ago, so don't ask me...).

In fact, if you want a lighter car nowadays, you have to look at the outgoing Lancer... which doesn't do as well in crash testing as many newer cars here,

And the new Corolla didn't lose any power. Toyota Philippines has, for the longest time, been lying about the output of the 1.8 liter engine sold here. They rectified that mistake with the current model... which is actually more powerful than the previous one.

The Europeans aren't standing still, either. While Japanese cars are getting porky, European cars are getting porkier still, thanks to the added luxury and features they pack on top of all that weight. Your basic Japanese compact may be between 1200-1300 kilos now, but there are German compacts pushing 1500 kilos already.

Sir, saan nyo po nakuha yung source nyo na "very rigid" yung chassis ng Mazda 3 and Focus? Passive safety, ang pwede lang mag comment dito ay yung mga safety committees na gumagawa ng mga crash test dito. The mazda only got a 4 star front and a 3 star side impact rating, poor compared to the civic. It was even beaten by the likes of the Suzuki Forenza and Reno(both 4/5 stars for front and side safety). I think both of those suzuki cars each weigh in under 3000lbs. Oh, and the previous Altis STILL has the same crash rating over the new one, 5/5, 4/5 w/o the added curbweight.

[AG4]

And the new Corolla didn't lose any power. Toyota Philippines has, for the longest time, been lying about the output of the 1.8 liter engine sold here. They rectified that mistake with the current model... which is actually more powerful than the previous one.

The new Altis actually lost a bit of power(4hp), not sure why, must be new exhaust system or some emissions related thing...
Previous gen Altis 1.8 makes 136 PS (134 hp)
The new 2008 Altis 1.8 makes 132 PS (130 hp)

The Europeans aren't standing still, either. While Japanese cars are getting porky, European cars are getting porkier still, thanks to the added luxury and features they pack on top of all that weight. Your basic Japanese compact may be between 1200-1300 kilos now, but there are German compacts pushing 1500 kilos already.

The new Corolla got a EuroNCAP rating of 5 stars.

...I guess the added weight of the more rigid new Corolla had some advantages.

The Civic sedan (Hybrid) got a EuroNCAP rating of 4 stars


Haven't seen any EuroNCAP crashtest of the new 2008 Lancer...

[3kster]

The rollas and civics aside, several adds and publications by "Mitsubishi" themselves that the heavier chassis of the new lancer compared to the previous evo model (evo ix) is due to a redesigned chasis/frame that is stiffer, again, than the otgoing evo. I believe they have claimed it to be ~50% stiffer,if i remember correctly, or was it 100%? They even mentioned that the new chassis could have been more heavier if not for the aluminum engine. But this is mitsu's claim, heavent read or seen any actual crash ratings yet.

If you ask me where I got this info, sorry, I'm mr. forgetful fred or just lazy to memorize the URLs so you can try googling it or try this site : http://www.lancerproject.com/lancer/

[AutoMAN]

actually in thailand, the New Lancer has not been launched yet- unforseeable pa! because the Lancer is not selling well there and the thai is concentrating on the strada assembly on a global scale! they are still selling the current Lancers. UNLESS- gray market ang napadpad nyo dyan... shall i ask for money from sir saber ... pambili ng kotse! i need a car asap- gusto ko Strada 3.2 or New Lancer...

paging sir saber... may i...? hehehe

Mayrun na po bagong Lancer doon. They're just regulating/limiting it's appearance to drum up some rep. Gaya ng lancer natin dito. There's no ad sa newspaper or sa tv but I've seen a few already. Kutob ko nga mas maraming stock ang nakatago dun sa Thailand kaysa dito. It's pure marketing strategy. They're just delaying the sales of the new lancer so that they can sell the remaining previous lancer there.

[SaberRider]

actually in thailand, the New Lancer has not been launched yet- unforseeable pa! because the Lancer is not selling well there and the thai is concentrating on the strada assembly on a global scale! they are still selling the current Lancers. UNLESS- gray market ang napadpad nyo dyan... shall i ask for money from sir saber ... pambili ng kotse! i need a car asap- gusto ko Strada 3.2 or New Lancer...

paging sir saber... may i...? hehehe

magkano?


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[Type 100]

Sir, saan nyo po nakuha yung source nyo na "very rigid" yung chassis ng Mazda 3 and Focus? Passive safety, ang pwede lang mag comment dito ay yung mga safety committees na gumagawa ng mga crash test dito. The mazda only got a 4 star front and a 3 star side impact rating, poor compared to the civic. It was even beaten by the likes of the Suzuki Forenza and Reno(both 4/5 stars for front and side safety). I think both of those suzuki cars each weigh in under 3000lbs. Oh, and the previous Altis STILL has the same crash rating over the new one, 5/5, 4/5 w/o the added curbweight.

Increasing the torsional rigidity of the chassis is presently most car manufacturers' favorite party trick to ensure good handling. Since the second-generation Focus had to follow up on its famous predecessor on the drivability stakes, upping chassis rigidity was a prerequisite to make sure the suspension works better at its job than its daddy.

You also may or may not know that the Focus platform (internally called "C1" by Ford) underpins a number of vehicles; the Volvo C30, S40 and Mazda 3 among some of them.

Whether or not overall ridigity of the chassis helps crash ratings isn't instantly conclusive. Ideally, the chassis has to be most rigid in its "safety cage" region and progressively softer at the ends of the car. Rigidity can't answer for all of that, but car design can.

[AutoMAN]

Increasing the torsional rigidity of the chassis is presently most car manufacturers' favorite party trick to ensure good handling. Since the second-generation Focus had to follow up on its famous predecessor on the drivability stakes, upping chassis rigidity was a prerequisite to make sure the suspension works better at its job than its daddy.

You also may or may not know that the Focus platform (internally called "C1" by Ford) underpins a number of vehicles; the Volvo C30, S40 and Mazda 3 among some of them.

Whether or not overall ridigity of the chassis helps crash ratings isn't instantly conclusive. Ideally, the chassis has to be most rigid in its "safety cage" region and progressively softer at the ends of the car. Rigidity can't answer for all of that, but car design can.

Yes, I agree. That's what I meant by my reply. A vehicle doesn't have to be uber rigid to say that it's safe. It has to be a combination of stiff and give. If the car is so rigid and you are involved in a crash chances are you'll die because the human body is the only thing soft inside the vehicle and will absorb all that kinetic energy. Shape and design plays more of a vital role than rigidity.

OT: Sir Saber, hehe kaka-inggit!