Walkout

[boybi]

According to the ruling of the Supreme Court, yes he did:
http://www.newsflash.org/2001/03/hl/hl013203.htm

what i'm asking is, did it actually came from erap that he resigned the presidency. did he wrote a resignation letter? did he made an announcement, in public or in national television, that he is resigning his mandate?

sa ruling na yan ng supreme court, expected naman na sasabihin nilang legitimate ang pagkakaupo kay gma. e ang chief justice na ang nag sworn in kay gma bilang president, sa palagay mo ba babaliktarin nila yun?

[BoyFerrari]

sa ruling na yan ng supreme court, expected naman na sasabihin nilang legitimate ang pagkakaupo kay gma. e ang chief justice na ang nag sworn in kay gma bilang president, sa palagay mo ba babaliktarin nila yun?

Ang Supreme Court na kasi ang pinaka-mataas na hukuman ayon sa saligang batas. If we will not follow the Supreme Court ruling, it will be an ENDLESS debate because everyone will choose himself as the judge and everyone will believe that his own opinion is correct.

[boybi]

Ang Supreme Court na kasi ang pinaka-mataas na hukuman ayon sa saligang batas. If we will not follow the Supreme Court ruling, it will be an ENDLESS debate because everyone will choose himself as the judge and everyone will believe that his own opinion is correct.

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

Yan din ang opinion ko dati. I really think that the Supreme Court desperately tried to look for ways to legitimize the Arroyo presidency because they hastily sworn Arroyo to the office of the president too early.

dyan nawala ang paghanga ko kay Davide.

[mbt]

yup, legal issue nga certainly.

BUT, i definitely think the spirit of the law is more important than it's letters. those who are overly bound to the letter of the law instead of the spirit, they're probably the lawyers who are out to win their case no matter what (including no matter about the moral imperatives).

yun lang po. if the "anti-GMA" people can be accused of "not seeing the need to follow the letter of the law", the "pro-GMA" people can be accused of "not seeing the greater need to follow the spirit of the law".

we all agree to disagree!

[DoctorDoom]

BUT, i definitely think the spirit of the law is more important than it's letters. those who are overly bound to the letter of the law instead of the spirit, they're probably the lawyers who are out to win their case no matter what (including no matter about the moral imperatives).

Then why do you think God had to chisel the Ten Commandments on 2 pieces of stone?

So I think the moral of the story here is that both the spirit and the letter of the law should co-exist in equal importance.

[oldblue]

nakup spirit of the law. eto ba yun tinatawag na conscience vs. technicality?

nakakalito nga yan. coz some people are born to be objective while others are born to be emotional.

[RedHorse]

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

* Doronilla was appointed by GMA as ambassador to Belgium, good thing, his appointment was declined by the commsision on appointments

[BoyFerrari]

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

Yan din ang opinion ko dati. I really think that the Supreme Court desperately tried to look for ways to legitimize the Arroyo presidency because they hastily sworn Arroyo to the office of the president too early.

What I do believe is that Erap was overthrown by military coup deta't. A peaceful one at that because then AFP Chief ANGELO REYES told Erap that he is turning his back against him.

Erap, since he has experience living through the martial law days, knows that if your AFP Chief turns his back on you and his entire army with guns, then it's over. So Erap was pressured to quit.

It was a good ending though, since there was no violence. If this scenario happened in Ukraine for example, the president would have left Malacanang to gather all his loyal forces and replace all his cabinet members. We could have plunged into civil war.

[rbortega1981]

kung ang ipriprisinta lang ibedensya ng mga oposisyon ay base sa hello garci tape na 2lad ng ipinakita ni allan peter caitano sa tv patrol kagbi na binalak kidnapin ang isang opisyal ng commelec sa mindanao. malinawa ang isinasaad sa batas na hindi maaring tanggapin bilang isang ibendensya ang isang wire tap conversation. Sa aking pakikinig at panunuod ng balita araw-araw ung mga hearing sa senate at congress na pinanunuod ko sa ANC kung ang ipiprisinta lang mga testigo ay 2lad nila Suzi kung ako cguro ang isa sa mga congressman ibabasuara ko din yang impeachment complaint na yan.

[mbt]

oldblue,

ang sa akin lang, #1, definitely the spirit of the law is more important than the letter if i have to choose one, and #2, the letter of the law can easily be manipulated and "re-interpreted" by those who seek to force the law upon a certain agenda (now certainly, both administration and opposition have their own agendas, but between what i see as covering-up by the administration and ousting the president by the opposition, it's quite clear to me which cause is more just).

anak ng patola, kotse na nga lang pag-usapan natin hehehe

[oldblue]

oldblue,

ang sa akin lang, #1, definitely the spirit of the law is more important than the letter if i have to choose one, and #2, the letter of the law can easily be manipulated and "re-interpreted" by those who seek to force the law upon a certain agenda (now certainly, both administration and opposition have their own agendas, but between what i see as covering-up by the administration and ousting the president by the opposition, it's quite clear to me which cause is more just).

anak ng patola, kotse na nga lang pag-usapan natin hehehe

actually there are 2 spirits here ...

the opposition feels that it's their god-given mission to expose cheating. the administration feels that it's their divine right to be competent and stable coz after all, they are the present management.

haay, lalo nakakalito hehehe

[mbt]

oo nga nakakalito lalo haha,... mas exciting pag-usapan yung khaos super turbo charger :bwahaha:

[BoEinG_747]

oo nga nakakalito lalo haha,... mas exciting pag-usapan yung khaos super turbo charger :

sir MBT,

pwede natin sabay pag usapan ang Khaos at Malacanang..hehehe
..inaprubahan ng Malacanang ang pag papautang (payable for 6 months)

ang Khaos super turbo charger

[mbt]

Well, even the ten commandments aren't definitive in themselves. it all boils down to, when in a situation of conflict, choosing to protect the higher value.

for example, thou shall not kill... but in a situation of self-defense, killing is warranted. it is warranted to sacrifice the child to save a mother's life. these are all in accordance with church teaching.

thou shall keep holy the lord's day... but that doesn't mean that doctors shouldn't save lives (because it is their work) on sabbath days, as jesus himself emphasized greatly.

now the question is of course, which is the higher value that should be protected in this current issue: the integrity of the presidency, or adhering rigidly to the written law.

[mazdamazda]

now the question is of course, which is the higher value that should be protected in this current issue: the integrity of the presidency, or adhering rigidly to the written law.

IMO - the stakes are higher than just that.

Try choosing between:

1. Focusing on improving our economy.
2. Drag our country into another no-holds barred political shootout.

[mbt]

nope i disagree.

focusing on improving the economy is the function (in part) of the president, not necessarily of gloria. the issue is cheating, whether she did or she did not. how can she excuse herself of her alleged crime by saying that she will work on the economy? if she goes, her successor will carry on "fixing the economy".

there are economic consequences to this political drama, true, but GMA knows very well why -- "if I run for president, I will cause deep division in our country". yet she did, and now she reaps what she has sown.

[mazdamazda]

nope i disagree.

focusing on improving the economy is the function (in part) of the president, not necessarily of gloria. the issue is cheating, whether she did or she did not. how can she excuse herself of her alleged crime by saying that she will work on the economy? if she goes, her successor will carry on "fixing the economy".

there are economic consequences to this political drama, true, but GMA knows very well why -- "if I run for president, I will cause deep division in our country". yet she did, and now she reaps what she has sown.

Ummm... when I said "focusing on improving our economy" - am referring to whole nation (not just GMA).

And if the impeachment proceeding did push through - what evidence will you use in the said court? I've been asking this question around the forums for a long time and yet no one has answered it yet. If so, the dismissal of the impeachment complaint due to lack of substance is justifiable after all.

[baiskee]

Ummm... when I said "focusing on improving our economy" - am referring to whole nation (not just GMA).

And if the impeachment proceeding did push through - what evidence will you use in the said court? I've been asking this question around the forums for a long time and yet no one has answered it yet. If so, the dismissal of the impeachment complaint due to lack of substance is justifiable after all.

hehe... maybe ask the pro-impeachment congressmen. for sure they have an answer to your question. ;)

[BoyFerrari]

So in the end, the majority has spoken:

CONGRESS: No Impeachment by 158-51 decision.

TAONG BAYAN: Rallies have been relatively few. No People Power this time.

Democracy means following the majority decision.

[baiskee]

guys... check nyo ulit 'tong THREAD

most of the pro-gma sabi impeach, "bring the evidence to congress" achoo-choo-choo, blah-blah-blah....

ngayon sinunod at nag file ng impeachement... sabay pipigilan.

hindi t*nga ang pilipino.