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[mbt]

yup, legal issue nga certainly.

BUT, i definitely think the spirit of the law is more important than it's letters. those who are overly bound to the letter of the law instead of the spirit, they're probably the lawyers who are out to win their case no matter what (including no matter about the moral imperatives).

yun lang po. if the "anti-GMA" people can be accused of "not seeing the need to follow the letter of the law", the "pro-GMA" people can be accused of "not seeing the greater need to follow the spirit of the law".

we all agree to disagree!

[BoyFerrari]

OT: gusto ko lang ma-clarify, did erap actually resign?

According to the ruling of the Supreme Court, yes he did:
http://www.newsflash.org/2001/03/hl/hl013203.htm

[zeagle]

According to the ruling of the Supreme Court, yes he did:
http://www.newsflash.org/2001/03/hl/hl013203.htm

Pakitanong na lang lahat ng lawyer. They will not admit it openly but they all know that justice here, the supreme court without exception is for sale. There are very few justices in the supreme court that has integrity. Lahat yan may personal agenda. Palakasan din kasi sa Presidente dyan. Its the President who appoints them. Of course they have to justify the over throw of Erap.

[oldblue]

nakup spirit of the law. eto ba yun tinatawag na conscience vs. technicality?

nakakalito nga yan. coz some people are born to be objective while others are born to be emotional.

[oldblue]

Pakitanong na lang lahat ng lawyer. They will not admit it openly but they all know that justice here, the supreme court without exception is for sale. There are very few justices in the supreme court that has integrity. Lahat yan may personal agenda. Palakasan din kasi sa Presidente dyan. Its the President who appoints them. Of course they have to justify the over throw of Erap.

The word justice, for example, can be applied to hundreds of particular acts because these acts have something in common, namely, their resemblance to, or participation in, the Form "justice." - Plato.

so kaya ba naka-blindfold yun justice na statue, coz we as pinoys need not to see or to be reminded that justice represents both opposing sides no matter how just is one from the other. the events in congress is justice in due course at least as a form. That alone is sufficient enough
for all of us to leave these matters to these opposing sides, and start minding our own businesses, coz justice is at work naman pala.

[boybi]

According to the ruling of the Supreme Court, yes he did:
http://www.newsflash.org/2001/03/hl/hl013203.htm

what i'm asking is, did it actually came from erap that he resigned the presidency. did he wrote a resignation letter? did he made an announcement, in public or in national television, that he is resigning his mandate?

sa ruling na yan ng supreme court, expected naman na sasabihin nilang legitimate ang pagkakaupo kay gma. e ang chief justice na ang nag sworn in kay gma bilang president, sa palagay mo ba babaliktarin nila yun?

[RedHorse]

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

* Doronilla was appointed by GMA as ambassador to Belgium, good thing, his appointment was declined by the commsision on appointments

[rbortega1981]

kung ang ipriprisinta lang ibedensya ng mga oposisyon ay base sa hello garci tape na 2lad ng ipinakita ni allan peter caitano sa tv patrol kagbi na binalak kidnapin ang isang opisyal ng commelec sa mindanao. malinawa ang isinasaad sa batas na hindi maaring tanggapin bilang isang ibendensya ang isang wire tap conversation. Sa aking pakikinig at panunuod ng balita araw-araw ung mga hearing sa senate at congress na pinanunuod ko sa ANC kung ang ipiprisinta lang mga testigo ay 2lad nila Suzi kung ako cguro ang isa sa mga congressman ibabasuara ko din yang impeachment complaint na yan.

[BoyFerrari]

sa ruling na yan ng supreme court, expected naman na sasabihin nilang legitimate ang pagkakaupo kay gma. e ang chief justice na ang nag sworn in kay gma bilang president, sa palagay mo ba babaliktarin nila yun?

Ang Supreme Court na kasi ang pinaka-mataas na hukuman ayon sa saligang batas. If we will not follow the Supreme Court ruling, it will be an ENDLESS debate because everyone will choose himself as the judge and everyone will believe that his own opinion is correct.

[BoyFerrari]

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

Yan din ang opinion ko dati. I really think that the Supreme Court desperately tried to look for ways to legitimize the Arroyo presidency because they hastily sworn Arroyo to the office of the president too early.

What I do believe is that Erap was overthrown by military coup deta't. A peaceful one at that because then AFP Chief ANGELO REYES told Erap that he is turning his back against him.

Erap, since he has experience living through the martial law days, knows that if your AFP Chief turns his back on you and his entire army with guns, then it's over. So Erap was pressured to quit.

It was a good ending though, since there was no violence. If this scenario happened in Ukraine for example, the president would have left Malacanang to gather all his loyal forces and replace all his cabinet members. We could have plunged into civil war.

[boybi]

Ang Supreme Court na kasi ang pinaka-mataas na hukuman ayon sa saligang batas. If we will not follow the Supreme Court ruling, it will be an ENDLESS debate because everyone will choose himself as the judge and everyone will believe that his own opinion is correct.

tangna SC nag-base ng decision sa report ni Armando Doronilla* ng Inquirer -- which in turn was based sa published diaries ni Angara

Yan din ang opinion ko dati. I really think that the Supreme Court desperately tried to look for ways to legitimize the Arroyo presidency because they hastily sworn Arroyo to the office of the president too early.

dyan nawala ang paghanga ko kay Davide.

[mazdamazda]

Another reason why I should just continue reading the Business section sa mga dyaryo or Business/Economy news programs on TV (eg. ANC Money). At least there are more positive and enlightening news/pieces of info that I may find here.

So,
Until then, hopeless yung mga ganitong klaseng isyu.

My 0.02 on this.

Same here bro.

I just usually read the business section. If we dwell on this kind of issues - our nation will get nowhere.

[mbt]

oldblue,

ang sa akin lang, #1, definitely the spirit of the law is more important than the letter if i have to choose one, and #2, the letter of the law can easily be manipulated and "re-interpreted" by those who seek to force the law upon a certain agenda (now certainly, both administration and opposition have their own agendas, but between what i see as covering-up by the administration and ousting the president by the opposition, it's quite clear to me which cause is more just).

anak ng patola, kotse na nga lang pag-usapan natin hehehe

[BoyFerrari]

Pimentel doubts opposition can get 79 signatures

First posted 05:12pm (Mla time) Sept 03, 2005
By Blanche Rivera
Inquirer News Service

SENATE Minority Leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr. said that while he admired the passion of the group of young opposition lawmakers rallying for the impeachment of President Macapagal-Arroyo, he was not convinced they could gather the 79 signatures required to transmit the complaint to the Senate.

Pimentel said the House of Representatives was still controlled by the same lawmakers who have been running Congress for the longest time.

“Kawawa naman ang opposition (Pity the opposition)...From the start, I knew that the only direction of the impeachment papers was the garbage can,” Pimentel said at the Kapihan sa Sulo forum in Quezon City.

Aquilino Pimentel Jr. - this is the same trapo who just a few months back had declared "Checkmate! - It's end of the line for GMA" blazing the headlines of the Daily Inquirer. That was the time the "Hyatt 10" resigned from the Arroyo cabinet. His heart was palpitating at that time. Very excited that the government was about to go down.

3 months later, and GMA is still here. What gives?

By how things are going right now (relatively few people joining the opposition rallies), I guess most people have come to realize that they can live doing away with "the truth" and face instead the more serious issues in life like rising oil prices and the economy which are directly affecting them.

Honestly, when Congress decided to junk the impeachment the other day, I was expecting the kind of People Power response from the masa. But there was none. People are contented with going about their lives this time around.

The problem with the opposition and this impeachment is that they just want to find out if GMA cheated. That's the entire substance of this circus. Nobody from the opposition is actually championing how they plan to solve our economic problems with the oil crisis we are having. Which is the major concern of most people nowadays. Maybe that's the reason why we are already numb with all this politics going on. We just wish this pro-impeachment people would just shut up and allow us to go on with our lives.

[Blackraven]

Same here bro.

I just usually read the business section. If we dwell on this kind of issues - our nation will get nowhere.

I guess we agree on this, hehe.

[oldblue]

oldblue,

ang sa akin lang, #1, definitely the spirit of the law is more important than the letter if i have to choose one, and #2, the letter of the law can easily be manipulated and "re-interpreted" by those who seek to force the law upon a certain agenda (now certainly, both administration and opposition have their own agendas, but between what i see as covering-up by the administration and ousting the president by the opposition, it's quite clear to me which cause is more just).

anak ng patola, kotse na nga lang pag-usapan natin hehehe

actually there are 2 spirits here ...

the opposition feels that it's their god-given mission to expose cheating. the administration feels that it's their divine right to be competent and stable coz after all, they are the present management.

haay, lalo nakakalito hehehe

[mbt]

oo nga nakakalito lalo haha,... mas exciting pag-usapan yung khaos super turbo charger :bwahaha:

[BoEinG_747]

oo nga nakakalito lalo haha,... mas exciting pag-usapan yung khaos super turbo charger :

sir MBT,

pwede natin sabay pag usapan ang Khaos at Malacanang..hehehe
..inaprubahan ng Malacanang ang pag papautang (payable for 6 months)

ang Khaos super turbo charger

[DoctorDoom]

BUT, i definitely think the spirit of the law is more important than it's letters. those who are overly bound to the letter of the law instead of the spirit, they're probably the lawyers who are out to win their case no matter what (including no matter about the moral imperatives).

Then why do you think God had to chisel the Ten Commandments on 2 pieces of stone?

So I think the moral of the story here is that both the spirit and the letter of the law should co-exist in equal importance.

[mbt]

Well, even the ten commandments aren't definitive in themselves. it all boils down to, when in a situation of conflict, choosing to protect the higher value.

for example, thou shall not kill... but in a situation of self-defense, killing is warranted. it is warranted to sacrifice the child to save a mother's life. these are all in accordance with church teaching.

thou shall keep holy the lord's day... but that doesn't mean that doctors shouldn't save lives (because it is their work) on sabbath days, as jesus himself emphasized greatly.

now the question is of course, which is the higher value that should be protected in this current issue: the integrity of the presidency, or adhering rigidly to the written law.