Russia's 'invasion and occupation' of Ukrainian territory.

**EQAddict** · February 19th, 2023 09:02 PM

Ever wonder why most decent NON authoritarian nations are supporting Ukraine?

Because the Russians are the Bad guys. In their actions, tactics, indiscriminate shelling of civilian infrastructure, lies, invasion of a sovereign nation, their treatment of their own soldiers as canon fodder, their threats to other non combatants, etc.

But yeah try to paint the West as the bad guys here. Paint yourself into a corner.

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**uls** · February 19th, 2023 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by EQAddict

But you will ignore the OFFICIAL propaganda arm of Putin himself. The buddy of Putin himself Solovyov. Okay. And listen to conspiracy theory guys. Okay.

You will discount decent world leaders, mainstream media that have professionally covered world leaders, events, disasters, wars, famines, crisis, etc. Okay.

I agree with you though on one fo your observations...the West definitely wants Russia to be strategically weakened after their foray into Ukraine .... so that Russia is unable to threaten Europe again.

Thats a noble cause.

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i've been saying that since last year

the goal of the US is to weaken russia with a prolonged war

basta they'll keep arming ukraine

to make russia lose soldiers and equipment

kaya pinigil ang peace talk noong april 2022

**Athrunzala** · February 19th, 2023 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by EQAddict

Yeah Russians have killed Millions of Poles throughout history and as recently as the 20th century had them under their boot heels.

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Oo, historical rivals talaga ang dalawang ito. Slav VS Slav. Catholic Poland VS Orthodox Russia. In the earlier part of their historical rivalry parating Poland ang nananalo sa mga labanan nila, and they even had invasions of Russia.

**Athrunzala** · February 19th, 2023 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by EQAddict

But yeah try to paint the West as the bad guys here. Paint yourself into a corner.

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Hindi rin tayo pwede kumampi sa West, Sodom and Gomorrah yan eh. Ginagawa na rin ng West na Sodom and Gomorrah Kingdom ang Ukraine. We all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible...

**Athrunzala** · February 19th, 2023 09:18 PM

Parang yung Taiwan, legalized na ang Homo***ual Marriage doon.

Kaya say Goodbye to Taiwan.

**Athrunzala** · February 19th, 2023 09:23 PM

60million++ aborted American babies
1 Billion ++ aborted human beings worldwide

"War is a punishment for sin" - Our Lady of Fatima

**uls** · February 19th, 2023 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Athrunzala

60million++ aborted American babies
1 Billion ++ aborted human beings worldwide

"War is a punishment for sin" - Our Lady of Fatima

mas bagay yan sa US politics thread sir

**Egan101** · February 19th, 2023 09:45 PM

Pareho pareho lang mga yan - US or Russia or UK or China. Kawawa ka kung ikaw on their angry side. There are no good or bad guys. It’s all about interests or gains.

No superpower can claim to have clean hands with the way they handled their affairs over history. They all have their dirty laundry.

It’s really up to each one of us how we perceive their actions. The reality is that the victims will just be buried and not even a footnote in history to be remembered.

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**uls** · February 19th, 2023 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Kaya nga yung sinasabi mo na bibiyakin ang Russia, isulat mo na.

Para mareview na din.

Sayang talaga potential financially and credibility-wise. Maunahan ka pa ng ibang experts. No BS ito ha. I honestly think you should write your thoughts about it, your basis and analysis and post it in JSTOR or SSRN.

Ry,

explain ko sayo why i think the West wants to break up Russia

it won't be enough that russia is only driven out of ukraine

because it doesn't eliminate the russian threat

sa pananaw ng west -- as long as putin remains in power, russia is dangerous

that's why the goal shouldn't only be to drive russia out of ukraine

the goal has to include regime change

but that may still not be enough

so the west may seek to break russia into independent states

to eliminate the russian threat once and for

it may sound impossible but i wouldn't underestimate the determination of the west

**Ry_Tower** · February 20th, 2023 10:11 AM

^ You don't have to explain to me anymore, sa dami ba naman ng post mo dito tungkol dyan eh. Sa international community mo yan ipaglaban para makita mo din persperctive nila sa pinupunto mo.

Originally Posted by uls

Ry,

explain ko sayo why i think the West wants to break up Russia

it won't be enough that russia is only driven out of ukraine

because it doesn't eliminate the russian threat

sa pananaw ng west -- as long as putin remains in power, russia is dangerous

that's why the goal shouldn't only be to drive russia out of ukraine

the goal has to include regime change

but that may still not be enough

so the west may seek to break russia into independent states

to eliminate the russian threat once and for

it may sound impossible but i wouldn't underestimate the determination of the west

Don't discount/underestimate the resiliency and pride of the russian people as well considering how old they are specially compared to the US as a state.

That's what missing from your equation. You're only looking at it from your western perspective.