Not everything in the Bible is true...

[pajerokid]

Why were they not included in the bible today? Did you imply the gospels were included in the bible in past editions?
Sorry haven't read da vinci code stuff although i heard it has something to do with stories (fiction, accdg to author?) the church would not want its followers to know.

The bible is not a singular piece of work but rather a collection of writings from a ton of people.

As to why these were not included.... i dont know hehe. Basta apparently the people who decided to make the bible the bible wanted to include only the writings which support whatever machinations they had at the time.

[Steeljack]

Because the experts claim that the deleted gospels were false.

[DoctorDoom]

Nobody has attempted to answer my questions earlier:

Why is it that all the miracles mentioned in the Bible only took place within the pages of the Bible? Why did the miracles suddenly stop just like that? Almost all of the so-called "miracles" that took place in modern times were either a product of chance or simply hoaxes.

We don't have raining frogs, sea turning into blood, mysterious hand appearing to write something on the wall, Mt. Sinai talking in a thunderous loud voice, a man walking on water, etc. WHY ???

I'm not saying the Bible is just a collection of parables and none of them actually took place in history. I'm just asking why the story of Christianity ended after the last page of the Bible was written, and everything thereafter were simply "quoted from the Bible".

[Flagg]

Yaaa... bro... he was in the smoke, man... it was like waaaaay out.... :twak2:

If Jesus were alive now, he probably wouldn't be Catholic. He'd be a hippie. Peace, love, forgiveness. Go against the flow, listen to the children, dudes, don't force them to listen to you.

Various Church leaders would proclaim him the anti-Christ, the false prophet. They'd bait him with theological questions on "Evolution":

"Hey, peace bro, Give unto Darwin what is Darwin's, Give unto God what is God's... let the scientists have the monkeys, souls are all that count!"

On "Celibacy":

"Hey, I told you guys before to love one another! How can you preach my love if you don't practice it? Loosen up, guys!"

On "Women in the Church":

"Hey, if Mary Magdalene could preach my word, anybody can. When did I say women couldn't?"

They'd crucify him. Definitely. :(

Yes sir, I agree with you wholeheartedly. :yes:

Re smoke, Groovy, dude! :hippie:

[Flagg]

Nobody has attempted to answer my questions earlier:

Why is it that all the miracles mentioned in the Bible only took place within the pages of the Bible? Why did the miracles suddenly stop just like that? Almost all of the so-called "miracles" that took place in modern times were either a product of chance or simply hoaxes.

Sir doom, may post po me regarding my experience with Lourdes Holy Water, earlier in the thread.

And also, pag maswerte you.... or when, for all your hard work, u fail spectacularly at something only later in hindsight na you realize that you're better off without that something... isn't that some miracle of the Lord for you?

[DoctorDoom]

Sir doom, may post po me regarding my experience with Lourdes Holy Water, earlier in the thread.

And also, pag maswerte you.... or when, for all your hard work, u fail spectacularly at something only later in hindsight na you realize that you're better off without that something... isn't that some miracle of the Lord for you?

That holy water of Lourdes is probably the most commercialized miracle water these days. You can even buy it from the internet with a credit card. But it's supposed miracle powers could not stop cancer, AIDS, or bird flu. And the second example you mentioned is what i'm saying earlier that can also be explained by the probability of "chance". You flip a coin, heads or tails, if it favored you, you then call it a "miracle". These are examples of "interpreted miracles".

I'm talking about DRAMATIC MIRACLES like the ones mentioned in the Bible. I have narrated it earlier already - burning bush that never goes out, a talking Mt. Sinai, raining frogs, sea turning into blood .... why did these DRAMATIC MIRACLES suddenly stop at the split instant after the last page of the Bible was written?

[Flagg]

It may be commercialized but it sure worked for my relatives, witnessed by me.

For the dramatic stuff, diba interpreted din yun? I remember sometime ago reading in the dyaryo na it rained frogs somewhere in the province. Now when was that? Recently lang, because of some storm I think. Or there was that time na it rained ice. More than 2000 yrs ago, that would be a miracle.

In fact, diba there's a passage in the Bible where the Lord says something like he can cure x amount of sick people and they still won't believe.

Isn't "chance" something irrational?

[DoctorDoom]

It may be commercialized but it sure worked for my relatives, witnessed by me.

Yup. Just like there are people who swear by their father's name they were cured by Johnny Midnight's toning water.

For the dramatic stuff, diba interpreted din yun?

Lazarus rising from the dead is not interpreted. People saw it with their own eyes, as written in the Bible. An "interpreted" miracle is an unexplained event that was interpreted by your brain, not by your senses. Meaning, some other people may have interpreted it differently. A dramatic miracle is something that defies everyone's senses beyond any human reasoning.

I remember sometime ago reading in the dyaryo na it rained frogs somewhere in the province. Now when was that? Recently lang, because of some storm I think. Or there was that time na it rained ice.

If those examples were "authentic" miracles, they would have spread by word of mouth and documented in every religious manuscript today. The fact that not a single person could remember if that "miracle" actually happened, is a sign that it's a hoax.

In fact, diba there's a passage in the Bible where the Lord says something like he can cure x amount of sick people and they still won't believe.

We are not talking about passages from the Bible now. We're talking about REAL, DRAMATIC, BIG TIME, MIRACLES - TODAY, MODERN TIMES. Example, you wake up one morning and the Sun is bloody red for 40 days and 40 nights, you came across a kangaroo in the street talking in fluent English and quoting verses from the Bible, or Allah suddenly appeared in Babylon, Iraq and with a majestic voice declared that all the American infidels there will die instantly.... such miracles may have been common in the Bible. But after the Bible, where did all these miracles go? The Bible is almost like a movie, after the story ended, the events that took place within the movie never carried on, so people simply quoted scenes or events "based from the movie".

[DoctorDoom]

Isn't "chance" something irrational?

"Chance" can be explained by mathematics, therefore it is not irrational. If you have a 1 in a 10 million chance of winning the jackpot lottery, and you won it, it is not a miracle. You nailed that 1 chance out of 10 million probabilities.

[DoctorDoom]

If you won the lottery, although you never bought any ticket, then THAT is a miracle.

[oldblue]

ever wonder why even earth is called mother and countries are called mothers>?

let me guess we're born from it, err correction from her? but with countries I dont know The US do call their country motherland but sometimes uncle

[oldblue]

Jesus Christ will never be a catholic or a member of any religious sect. Jesus Christ clearly stated in the Bible that he is God Himself.

You will only be forgiven of your sin because of Him, and you will only earn your right to salvation through him.

What Jesus requires from a believer? Faith, Trust, Obedience, and Repentance.

sir *coder, I believe a lot of people breakaway from the Catholic faith bec. they just can't seem to comprehend the Holy Trinity & Mama mary. God the Father, The son, the Holy Spirit + 1 divine being which is of course the Mother - one whole divine family. maybe it also explains why prone to dynasty ang mga Catholic politicians hehehe

maybe you can enlighten us with this na din, kasi ako man nalilito eh. pag dini-discuss kasi ito ng nun HS ako, d na kami pay attention kasi march na, magbabakasyon na!!! hehehe

yan ang isang reklamo ng Muslim converts, sa Islam daw uni-God lang who is Allah and Muhammad is just a prophet not a divine person.

[Monseratto]

OT lang pero parang may diperensya itong article...

Iran leader faces Holocaust case

An Israeli lawyer, Ervin Shahar, says he has asked Germany to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with denying the Holocaust.
Mr Ahmadinejad was widely criticised when he said last year that the Holocaust was a "myth" and that Israel should be "wiped off the map".

Germany passed a law in 1993 forbidding Holocaust denial. It is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Six million Jews were killed by the Nazis during World War II.

Mr Shahar said he wanted the German federal prosecutors' office to take the issue before the constitutional court in the hope that international arrest warrants would be issued against Mr Ahmadinejad.

Correspondents say prosecutors will have to consider whether Germany has jurisdiction and whether President Ahmadinejad enjoys immunity.

International case

"I'm awaiting a response about whether they will file charges but I don't know how long it will take," Mr Shahar told the Reuters news agency.

"It doesn't take days but several months."

On Monday, British historian David Irving was found guilty in Austria of denying the Holocaust and sentenced to three years in prison.

He had pleaded guilty to the charge, based on a speech and interview he gave in Austria in 1989.

Although Mr Ahmadinejad did not deny the Holocaust on German soil, another law passed in 2005 permits the filing of international cases in German courts.

Mr Shahar hopes the case might result in international warrants for Mr Ahmadinejad's arrest, thus preventing the president from entering the US or Europe.

The lawyer believes Germany is the best country in which to file the suit, because it is the "most influential European state" and because the country is directly linked to the case.

The prosecutors' office in Karlsruhe has not yet commented.

[city]

if jesus is real..he'd be an atheist.

[CoDer]

Sir *oldblue. We should not make any attempt to rationalize the Holy Trinity because we will never be able to comprehend it. All we need as a believer through faith is believe that the Father created the world and that He sent the Son and that the Son died for us and was resurrected to save us from our sin and that the Holy Spirit is imputed to us to make us believe in His Word.

Most of us need evidence to believe even the Catholic Church is already leaning on this direction. But Jesus Christ clearly stated that Faith is all that is needed.

One will never be able to comprehend Gods ways even the most intellect will never be able to fathom Gods Wisdom. Even science cannot prove Gods existence.

Ever wonder why Jesus Christ face has not been drawn? Ever wonder why there has been no complete artifact to prove the events that transpired in the Bible? Because Faith is all that is required, simple yet equally difficult.

John 20:29

“Blessed are those who believe and yet have not seen.”

[CtrlAltDel]

Nobody has attempted to answer my questions earlier:

Why is it that all the miracles mentioned in the Bible only took place within the pages of the Bible? Why did the miracles suddenly stop just like that? Almost all of the so-called "miracles" that took place in modern times were either a product of chance or simply hoaxes...

DoctorDoom,

In a word, faith. Faith isn't called faith for nothing.

Assuming you believe in God, I think that TODAY God wants us to have faith in him, no matter what. In the past miracles did not secure people's faith. Why would God reward us when we only believe when we saw miracles? God wants us to trust him no matter what. Why would he reward us with eternal life when we only trust him during times of happiness and lose faith in times of distress? God wants us to trust him in the middle of an agonizing illness, in the midst of a business debacles, in the pain of losing a loved one. That's faith for you.

He's shown many miracles in the past and yet people disobeyed. For example, King Solomon even worshipped his 900 wives' and 300 concubines' god and goddesses despite the enormous wealth and wisdom God gave him. Now I think God wants to test our faith in the absence of miracles. I think he is more pleased when we believe in him even if he seemed distant and non-existent. God gives us free will and yet he wants us to surrender it to him completely, with or without miracles. Very difficult to accept. So very against human nature!

In Christ's time, Jesus preached love of God unconditionaly. He performed wonders only to show people God's glory as he said himself. But why do you think Jesus did not perform miracles when his life depended on it? Like when Herod asked for a miracle, just like the teachers of the Law who had him arrested demanded it so they will let him go? I think the message of Christ is total faith and trust in God without conditions. This is something new for the Jews at that time. People ridiculed Christ on the cross to perform a miracle to save himself. But did he?

Today as in Christ's time, many people want to see a miracle before believing. We want facts to start having faith. We challenge God for dramatic proof of his existence. Will God then be obliged? I don't know. All I know is that God will not be mocked. "Revenge is mine!" says the Lord. For one who owns time, I guess he can wait. The demons believe in God and they tremble.

Jesus himself constantly prayed alone and also fasted. I think it's where he gets his spiritual strength and power to obey and to submit to God's will. With God nothing is impossible. And that bible statement, too, invites ridicule.

I hope I answered your question.

[city]

niky's right..the OT and the NT sounds two different religion in one book. Although in the NT, there was a story of god letting king herod kill all the male children aged 2 years old and below but missed jesus. This story is somewhat similar to OT stories of babies being killed as commanded by god (exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

[kimpOy]

page 13 na...ang bilis ah...kahapon nasa 9 pa langa yata...

[4wrider]

People will tend to believe some weird medical and scientific explanations for the unusual things that came about after fervent prayers rather than just believe these are miracles of God. Some even tried to give scientific explanations for the miracles in the Bible.

The truth is perhaps there will be some real intelligent and rationale explanation for all these miracles. When we get to heaven you can ask God about he did all those miracles and I'm sure with our glorified body and transformed minds we will be able to understand.

But right now, science which is changing fast - explanations even for simple things are different now then in some twenty years ago- and it is progressing towards what God have known since the beginning of time. Kaya lang konti konti lang ang revelation na pwedeng ibigay ng Diyos sa tao at baka mabigla. Just look at the ideas of scientists and inventors who are way ahead of the others, they were dismissed as loonies by their own peers.

That's why I believe what was written in Isaiah that God's ways are higher than our ways and His thought are higher than our thoughts.

So I dont' limit the infinite God in a small box -though expanding- called science. Sabi nga sa epistles let all men be liars but God remains true.

[empy]

i've always wondered....Mary Magdalene - was she hot?