Not everything in the Bible is true...

[oldblue]

well?...what have you got to share to us regarding man's landing on the moon?..you must have read lots about lunar landing conspiracy. mind sharing it to us and convince us that we never went to the moon?

i'm quite convinced that we never did. why? bec. we should have a colony on the moon by now, (almost 40 years after the first landing). Explorations 101 dictates that we should follow-up naman di'ba hehehe ...


and the moon can be the best spy satellite of them all. Imagine putting a similar Hubble Telescope on the moon and point it towards us, imagine what NASA and other scientists can learn from our earth on a different point of view ...

[oldblue]

Jesus must have done something right, because even 2,000 years later, people still know him, thanks to the bible.


OT: salamat sa beer!

precisely, and that is why I believe Jesus is the saviour, the messiah, the 2nd coming. nobody on earth achieved such a 2000-year+ legacy. presidents, kings, generals, heroes, saints, prophets, celebs came and go but the Christ lived on.

but of course there are others like Hinduism, Buddhism and others who claim that their religion was older. but did these religions even bother to reach Europe, America and other parts of Asia.

[city]

i'm quite convinced that we never did. why? bec. we should have a colony on the moon by now, (almost 40 years after the first landing). Explorations 101 dictates that we should follow-up naman di'ba hehehe ...


and the moon can be the best spy satellite of them all. Imagine putting a similar Hubble Telescope on the moon and point it towards us, imagine what NASA and other scientists can learn from our earth on a different point of view ...

I don't think you have any idea about space travel. The costs of launching sattelites or space shuttle would make a rich country rethink if they plan to put colonies on the moon. And I'm not sure if you know the moon's environment that made you think of putting colonies out there.

Putting a hubble telescope is probably not a practical way of viewing earth. Man have launched orbitting sattelites and space missions that can view not only earth but other planets as well and study them.

BTW, have you seen the footages yourself? Have you visited sites about the conspiracy? Apollo 11 to 13 footages looks like it's been faked for some but 14 to 17 seem real enough to most. But faking these expeditions is a grandscale conspiracy that requires careful analysis. Russia and other countries would have cried foul and laugh at americans big time if these are fake. Why would they fake it>? BTW, russia have launched successful missions to the moon too in case you don't know. Google it up, you'll be surprise how much man has achieved over the years in space travel.

[CoDer]

Hehehe... umabot na tayo sa moon ah.

[Monseratto]

Hehehe... umabot na tayo sa moon ah.

Next OT yung tungkol sa mukha sa Mars...

[Monseratto]

Putting a hubble telescope is probably not a practical way of viewing earth.

The Ultimate Voyeur Telescope!!

[CoDer]

The Ultimate Voyeur Telescope!!

Hahahahahaaa...

[GlennSter]

[BlueBimmer]

[empy]

precisely, and that is why I believe Jesus is the saviour, the messiah, the 2nd coming. nobody on earth achieved such a 2000-year+ legacy. presidents, kings, generals, heroes, saints, prophets, celebs came and go but the Christ lived on.

but of course there are others like Hinduism, Buddhism and others who claim that their religion was older. but did these religions even bother to reach Europe, America and other parts of Asia.

we have the Spanish and the Romans to thank for that, not Jesus.

[Luap]

Sir City, hati hati po dapat tayo ni coder sa 20% mo.

Sir Niky, nakita nyo po si Jesus? Kasama si Elvis? Wakekek, Peace po!

calling City, Flagg and Coder, 4 more pages and you'll double your money!
I made another bet that this thread will reach 20 pages. inorder for you to
get your share of my earnings you'll have to send me a blank check to cover
for taxes. final tax amount will be determined when we reach the required number of pages, but for purposes of budgeting, you'll have to at least have
a mainting balance of 100K pesos each. I'm a big time gambler

[CoDer]

calling City, Flagg and Coder, 4 more pages and you'll double your money!
I made another bet that this thread will reach 20 pages. inorder for you to
get your share of my earnings you'll have to send me a blank check to cover
for taxes. final tax amount will be determined when we reach the required number of pages, but for purposes of budgeting, you'll have to at least have
a mainting balance of 100K pesos each. I'm a big time gambler

Blank check!!! Scam yan ah!

hhmmm... how much is at stake?

[Luap]

Blank check!!! Scam yan ah!
hhmmm... how much is at stake?

...enough to make you believe that miracles do happen

[city]

there was a recent discovery made in egypt. I recall it was on CNN headlines last year. a fossilized manna was excavated in a desert region in egypt. this was believed to be the bread that came down from heaven during the time when moses left egypt. This could be the greatest find in our times that would prove the bible to all true. you can go to CNN website, archive section and verify.

Damn!...what a blow to atheism!

[theveed]

Hinduism is generally considered to be the oldest religion still being practiced today. This ancient religion was born when the Aryan peoples migrated to Northern India and first put their religious tradition into writing. The texts they created are the Vedas, which were written around 1,500 B.C.E. (before common era) and have greatly influenced Indian culture ever since.

Several other religions are almost as old as Hinduism. Judaism traces its roots back to the patriarch Abraham, who lived around 1,800 B.C.E. While the Jewish people are descended from Abraham, it was Moses who first recorded the Torah, the Jewish holy text, in 1,400 B.C.E. Most sources consider the date of the Torah as the beginning of Judaism.

Zoroastrianism is sometimes called the world's oldest prophetic religion. It's certainly one of the earliest religions founded by one person. Scholars are not certain when the founding prophet Zarathustra actually lived. Some believe Zarathustra lived in the 6th century B.C.E., while others trace his writings to the 14th or 13th centuries B.C.E.

India has been a veritable cradle for world religions -- in addition to Hinduism, both Jainism and Buddhism originated in India. The first of Jainism's sacred lords, called a Tirthankara, lived in the 8th century B.C.E. The last of these lords was Mahavir, who lived in the 5th century B.C.E. and was a key figure in spreading the religion. The philosophical teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as the Buddha, spread around Asia after his death in 483 B.C.E.

Oddly enough, the two religions that dominate the world today are relative newcomers to the spiritual scene. Christianity began with the teachings of Jesus Christ around 30 C.E., and Islam started in 610 C.E. with the prophet Muhammad's revelation.

[theveed]

Oh, good line to think about... (This is from a Malaysian, Islamic site, but the title is apt)

Religion is never wrong, only believers
Zahid Abbas
Jul 16, 04 2:10pm



Legal Apologist’s letter refers as well as the one by AB Sulaiman.

My earlier letter that one can only leave Islam with conditions applies to all faiths as well. If we live in a multi-racial and multi-religious society, we should never regard any one religion as lesser than another. The only thing that makes a religion different from another is its age.

Islam is the oldest religion in the world, founded by Adam, and it was reborn with Abraham and a second time with Muhammad. Between Abraham and Muhammad, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity emerged in this order. Then Sikhism emerged after the time of Muhammad. These are the six world religions.

The conditions imposed on one leaving a religion to join another are based on universal human values, in particular the need to regard every established religion as relevant for all times. This is religious equality.

Leaving Islam should be allowed on the grounds that there is something wrong with Muslims, not with Islam. There is nothing wrong with any religion. Things are only wrong with the believers of any religion. They may be lacking in compassion, or rigidly dogmatic in interpreting the faith.

One should, as a humanitarian believing in the One God who created us all, not say anything negative about any one faith. It is the believers of a faith that are bad, never the faith.

As for Muhammad’s perfection, it is to be honoured, just as true Muslims should honour the perfection of Jesus, the Buddha, the Sikh gurus and the Hindu devas. This is part of reverence for all religions as one family.

Likewise with the Quran’s perfection. It is an established fact that the Quran was written by God, and not by humans.

This is not to say any other religious scripture is imperfect. This statement only means that the Quran is the only book written by God, just as Jesus is the only founder of a religion who was born to a Virgin Mother.

Every faith has something unique which in no way lessens other faiths.

As for the Sahabah (companions), they should be seen in the same light as the 12 apostles of Christianity, to cite a good example. They are revered not only by Christians but also by Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs for their selfless sacrifice and humanity.

[CoDer]

As for Muhammad’s perfection, it is to be honoured, just as true Muslims should honour the perfection of Jesus, the Buddha, the Sikh gurus and the Hindu devas. This is part of reverence for all religions as one family.

Likewise with the Quran’s perfection. It is an established fact that the Quran was written by God, and not by humans.

Ayos to ah. written by God!?

Only two things are true in Islam.

One:

Genesis 16:11-12

10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man' hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Two:

The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).

[theveed]

CoDer: Ano kaya ballpen/lapis ng dyos... Kilometrico at Monggol... hmmm...

[BlueBimmer]

i remember the Q on StarTrek TNG, he was supposed to be Godlike :D

[falken]

Tulungan ko lang si Luap, baka mabalatuan ako.