Malaysia Airlines 'loses contact with plane'

[Retz]

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Please post something relevant to the thread sir.



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[_Cathy_]

Still no wreckage...

Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean'
March 24, 2014
By COLLEEN CURRY

New satellite data reveals that missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 "ended" its journey in a "remote location" of the southern Indian Ocean, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said today.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," a somber Razak said during a media briefing.

The jet vanished on March 8 with 289 people on board after it took off from Kuala Lampur bound for Beijing.

The announcement follows weeks of searches that spanned the South China Sea, Strait of Malacca and finally the south Indian Ocean off of Australia as authorities tried to figure out what happened to the plane.

The new information came from British satellite maker Inmarsat, which used a new type of analysis never before used to try and pinpoint the plane's last known location, Razak said.

"[Inmarsat] has been performing calculations on the data using type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort and they have been able to shed more light on MH370. Based on the new analysis, Inmarsat and the [British] Accidents Investigation Branch have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that it's last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," Razak said.

He noted that Malaysia Airlines had already been in touch with the families of the 289 people on board, saying that he knew the past few weeks had been "heartbreaking" for them and that this latest development must be harder still.

The airlines sent a text message to the families, one of whom shared the message with ABC News:

"Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia's Prime Minister, we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean," the message read.

Earlier today, an Australian plane spotted two objects described as gray or green and "circular" as well as orange and "rectangular" in the search area off Australia's coast.

Other search crews had spotted "suspicious objects" in the Indian Ocean over the weekend -- including items believed to be wooden pallets. The Malaysian government said that the missing Boeing 777-200 had been carrying wooden pallets, were not yet sure whether the pallets matched.

No wreckage has yet to be recovered.

Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours.

Malaysian authorities are considering the possibilities of hijacking, sabotage, terrorism or issues related to the mental health of the pilots.

Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' - ABC News

[greatauror28]

I really think there's something fishy here.
The Malaysian government just have to "assume" that MH370 crashed and all were dead just to end the "prolonged agony" of the family and relatives on those who are on board.
I guess that it may take a few weeks more, or even months to really recover the debris (if indeed crashed) if they will be recovered at all.

This "new type of analysis never before used in this investigation" is the fishy part. I mean, come on, why didn't they used it sooner? And what real data supports their analysis? I wanna see graphs, charts, timings and satellite tracking locations to really describe that MH370 was indeed lost in the southern indian ocean. They can't just say it without detailed explanation.

I'll be watching out for this.

[CVT]

Para ngang biglaan ang announcement,- wala pa namang mga concrete evidences...

Unless,- they already know something that they don't want to share yet...



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[greenlyt]

here's their explanation how they concluded that flight MH 370 ended its flight in southern Indian Ocean:

How Inmarsat found MH370's final route | ABS-CBN News

The new findings led Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak to conclude on Monday that the Boeing 777, which disappeared more than two weeks ago, crashed thousands of miles away in the southern Indian Ocean, killing all 239 people on board.

The pings, automatically transmitted every hour from the aircraft after the rest of its communications systems had stopped, indicated it continued flying for hours after it disappeared from its flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

From the time the signals took to reach the satellite and the angle of elevation, Inmarsat was able to provide two arcs, one north and one south that the aircraft could have taken.

Inmarsat's scientists then interrogated the faint pings using a technique based on the Doppler effect, which describes how a wave changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite, a spokesman said.

Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch was also involved in the analysis.

The Doppler effect is why the sound of a police car siren changes as it approaches and then overtakes an observer.

"We then took the data we had from the aircraft and plotted it against the two tracks, and it came out as following the southern track," Jonathan Sinnatt, head of corporate communications at Inmarsat, said.

The company then compared its theoretical flight path with data received from Boeing 777s it knew had flown the same route, he said, and it matched exactly.

The findings were passed to another satellite company to check, he said, before being released to investigators on Monday.

The paucity of data - only faint pings received by a single satellite every hour or so - meant techniques like triangulation using a number of satellites or GPS (Global Positioning System) could not be used to determine the aircraft's flight path.

[_Qwerty_]

wala man lang nakitang bodies kahit body parts nung 239 passengers?

[chua_riwap]

labo yan.
evidence, evidence.........

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[kinyo]

ginawa siguro yung "declaration" para lumakad na ang insurance at mabigyan na ng compensation ang mga pamilya ... at makauwi na rin sila ... tawagan na lang uli sila kapag may bagong "development"

[CVT]

"We then took the data we had from the aircraft and plotted it against the two tracks, and it came out as following the southern track," Jonathan Sinnatt, head of corporate communications at Inmarsat, said.

The company then compared its theoretical flight path with data received from Boeing 777s it knew had flown the same route, he said, and it matched exactly.

The findings were passed to another satellite company to check, he said, before being released to investigators on Monday.

The paucity of data - only faint pings received by a single satellite every hour or so - meant techniques like triangulation using a number of satellites or GPS (Global Positioning System) could not be used to determine the aircraft's flight path.

Inmarsat has geostationary satellites, and I assume that one is somewhere above the Indian Ocean.

Doppler effect is the play between the distance and the pitch of the sound or in this case "ping"...

Now, I am wondering how they can ascertain that it was only the northern or the southern corridor,- as it will have the same "doppler effect" even if the plane goes NNW, ENE or SSW or whatever,- unless that phenomenon, with respect to the satellite's capability is bidirectional only.

Theoretically,- everything to a satellite is multi-directional and anything moving away from it, with respect to the satellite's geo(stationary)-position, in any direction,- should give you the same doppler effect signature....

Nai-cross check daw sa ibang data... Well, that is another point of reference and could be the real check.

Angle of elevation daw,- not really an expert here,- and assuming the plane is at the same level all the time,- it could be a factor if they take into account the accurate curvature of the earth with respect to any direction, which I think they should have....



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[Monseratto]

Malaysian bureacracy was "slow" in deciphering data and it's continues denial really pissed the relatives of the victims and other countries involved in the search. The INMARSAT information on the possible Indian Ocean route was available on day 2 of the search, but Malaysia still searched in the South China Sea area for a couple more days.

Inmarsat says told Malaysia of Indian Ocean possibility on March 12
MARCH 21, 2014

KUALA LUMPUR, March 21 — British satellite company Inmarsat said it was already “fairly certain” that search parties should scour the Indian Ocean for signs of MH370 two days after the aircraft disappeared and subsequently shared its data with Malaysia on March 12.

The satellite maker said it first shared its data with a partner company on March 11, followed by the Malaysian investigators the following day.

But it was only three days later on March 15 — a week after MH370’s disappearance on March 8 — that Malaysia called off the search at the South China Sea and Straits of Malacca and redirected troops to scour two corridors — a northern arc from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan in central Asia, or a southern one from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

“This is very troubling, just thinking of the time wasted and what was ever on the water moving farther away,” said Tom Haueter, former National Transportation Safety Board investigator, was quoted saying in an ABC News report.

According to the report, Inmarsat told ABC News that one day after the jetliner went missing, they had an “initial idea” of the plane’s possible whereabouts but by March 10, they were “fairly certain” of their suspicions.

But according to Inmarsat spokesman Chris McLaughlin in a BBC report, the firm’s satellite data was merely just one of the many pieces of data shared by others in the massive hunt for MH370, which Malaysia is coordinating.

“No, it’s not our place to be concerned,” he said, when asked if Inmarsat was concerned with how long it took Malaysia to act on the data.

“Our position was we shared data and an idea that could be tested against other data with the correct authorities on the Tuesday.

“We can’t possibly know what other data was in the investigation or what routes the Malaysian government were following,” he was quoted saying in the ABC News report.

On March 14, it was publicly revealed on Inmarsat’s website that it had registered “routine, automated signals” from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur.

Inmarsat, a London-based firm, reported its findings in a statement on its website but did not elaborate on when or how long the signals were received.

“This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines,” it said in the statement, adding that further information should be obtained from Malaysia Airlines, the owner of the Boeing 777 aircraft that went missing.

SITA is a global specialist in air transport communications and information technology.

- See more at: Inmarsat says told Malaysia of Indian Ocean possibility on March 12 | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online