JAMES DEAKIN - How do you solve a problem like Manila?

[niky]

That's a vain hope. Look at how many multi-millionaire legislators and department heads we have in government. Now that they're rich, you expect them to stop stealing?

Higher salaries will make it easier to attract competent professionals from private industry to work for the government... but they will not stop thieves from being thieves.

[yebo]

Kaya naman natin itaas ang salary ng mga gov employees, para hindi na sila ma temp magnakaw.

kung tutuusin mas makakatipid pa nga tayo, kasi they will work more efficient kung manghihinayang sila na matangal sa pwesto.

currently sa sistema ng gov natin ung mga magnanakaw sinasagad sagad ung pagnanakaw para kahit matangal sa pwesto madami ng naipon.

Kaso hindi sila takot matangal sa pwesto kasi may civil service law. I-repeal muna yang civil service law na yan para mawalan sila ng security of tenure in government. At dapat indefinite suspension without pay pag may kaso ng graft. And no back pay either!

[CVT]

i doubt it, kahit gawin mo 100k each a month sahod nung mga hinayupak na yan mag bubulsa pa din mga yan. eh yung milyon milyon na binubulsa nila kada taon di nila makukuha sa 100k a month. yung mga lower government positions pwede pa pero yung mga officials malabo na yan mag bago.

Agree.

P100K a month na suweldo?

Barya lang iyan sa mga buwaya ....

20.2K:flush:

[cast_no_shadow]

Agree.

P100K a month na suweldo?

Barya lang iyan sa mga buwaya ....

20.2K:flush:

Yun boss ko nasa 120k siya a month net salary

wala pa allowance and other compensation.

hindi siya kurakot hehe

i can't think of any means kung gustuhin man niya.

sa ibang department possible pero sa department / unit namin i highly doubt it

[vinj]

Agree.

P100K a month na suweldo?

Barya lang iyan sa mga buwaya ....

20.2K:flush:

Barya lang ang 100K a month. My cousin encountered a politico kid when she was studying abroad. The kid spent an equivalent of Php 130,000 in one gimmik... and yes from what i know that kid is being groomed to join the "family business". The bigger tragedy of it all according to my cousin was that when people asked what his family was into, the kid would nonchalantly say "politics". Talk about values that have been distorted as they grew up that way.

Kahit sa mga legit ang trabaho tulad ni CVT, barya lang din ang 100K per month... sa laki ba naman ng gastusin ngayon.

[Manilablock]

Kuala lumpur is above sea level, manila on the other hand is below sea level. That is why there are flood control gates and pumping stations. So you will bore a tunnel under a road that is already below sea level? And incompetent people to manage those tunnels? I see thousands of dead people drowned in their cars the first time it rains.

The better solution is elevated highways. 2, 3 and even 4 level highways. Kalaban lang dyan yung mga residents ng exclusive subdivisions on both sides of edsa and C5.

Is-isa na sinusunog mga squater colonies. Sana naman pag nasunog na e huwag na hayaan makabalik.

Speaking of martial law, let's make it illegal for people living in the north of MM to work in the south, illegal for people who live in the south to work in the north, and illegal for people who live in the east to work in the west. They should live where they work or work where they live!

And incompetent people to manage those tunnels? - incompetent from your point of view, but remember if the car driver beside you is incompetent, you should pray and give thanks to God that you have arrived to your destination without an accident.


I see thousands of dead people drowned in their cars the first time it rains - me kasabihan nga tayo, meron tulo ang bubong pag umuulan lang, para wag ka malunod pag meron ng tubig ang tunnel wag ka na papasok.


The better solution is elevated highways. 2, 3 and even 4 level highways -construction of a elevated highway will add congestion on the road it will put upon. kung ung maliit natin kalsada ay puno na nga ng mga vehicles kaya matraffic, just imagine dagdagan mo pa ng construction crew. Saka ang elevated highway will not help divert the floodwaters, it just keep your car dry while the people/houses/vehicles below are soaked in floodwater.


They should live where they work or work where they live - people who travel with their vehicles to work uses the road for 2-3 hours only, most of the time their vehicles are parked.


Most of our traffic problem is caused by public transport not managed properly, imagine a PUV travelling at 10kph and blocks the vehicle behind him to ensure no other PUV will collect the potential passengers.


1. Solution is to discipline the PUV drivers.
2. Divert the traffic without adding loads on existing road network.

[vinj]

Yun boss ko nasa 120k siya a month net salary

wala pa allowance and other compensation.

hindi siya kurakot hehe

i can't think of any means kung gustuhin man niya.

sa ibang department possible pero sa department / unit namin i highly doubt it

It's a matter of values after a certain point. Maybe for guys extorting (i.e. you typical kotong cop or salaried government employee) then yes it's also because they cannot make ends meet with what they earn. However, when you talk of the real-deal corruption that really eats into our society and our country (i.e. 10B pork barrel scams, ZTE, Fertilizer, Westinghouse-BNPP, Expo Filipino, etc...), it's already a matter of one's personal well-being; the guys involved are raking in the PPP/$$$ and they still desire more.

[CVT]

It's a matter of values after a certain point. Maybe for guys extorting (i.e. you typical kotong cop or salaried government employee) then yes it's also because they cannot make ends meet with what they earn. However, when you talk of the real-deal corruption that really eats into our society and our country (i.e. 10B pork barrel scams, ZTE, Fertilizer, Westinghouse-BNPP, Expo Filipino, etc...), it's already a matter of one's personal well-being; the guys involved are raking in the PPP/$$$ and they still desire more.

Yun boss ko nasa 120k siya a month net salary
wala pa allowance and other compensation.

hindi siya kurakot hehe

i can't think of any means kung gustuhin man niya.

sa ibang department possible pero sa department / unit namin i highly doubt it

So gross niya, P180K a month,- basic salary.

Pero bro.,- come to think of it,- iyong mga empleyado na sobrang laking allowance and other benefits ng mga nagta-trabaho sa gobyerno at iba pang ahensiya nito,- plus iyong sobrang daming buwan na bonus,- KURAKOT PA RIN ANG MGA IYAN,- kahit na sabihin pa nilang legal na benefits nila...

Dahil ang mga gumawa niyan,- sobrang buwaya para sa kanilang pansariling kapakanan....

20.2K:flush:

[yebo]

And incompetent people to manage those tunnels? - incompetent from your point of view, but remember if the car driver beside you is incompetent, you should pray and give thanks to God that you have arrived to your destination without an accident.


I see thousands of dead people drowned in their cars the first time it rains - me kasabihan nga tayo, meron tulo ang bubong pag umuulan lang, para wag ka malunod pag meron ng tubig ang tunnel wag ka na papasok.


The better solution is elevated highways. 2, 3 and even 4 level highways -construction of a elevated highway will add congestion on the road it will put upon. kung ung maliit natin kalsada ay puno na nga ng mga vehicles kaya matraffic, just imagine dagdagan mo pa ng construction crew. Saka ang elevated highway will not help divert the floodwaters, it just keep your car dry while the people/houses/vehicles below are soaked in floodwater.


They should live where they work or work where they live - people who travel with their vehicles to work uses the road for 2-3 hours only, most of the time their vehicles are parked.


Most of our traffic problem is caused by public transport not managed properly, imagine a PUV travelling at 10kph and blocks the vehicle behind him to ensure no other PUV will collect the potential passengers.


1. Solution is to discipline the PUV drivers.
2. Divert the traffic without adding loads on existing road network.

when i said incompetent people to manage, i meant INCOMPETENT PEOPLE TO MANAGE. I DID NOT MEAN DRIVERS, I MEANT THE PEOPLE MANAGING NG SYSTEM OF TUNNELS. malinaw naman ang post ko e, pakibasa ulit please.

For the elevated hiway system, yes congested when the construction is ongoing. Pero after hindi na. Think skyway.

As for your tunnels, if purely for use as drainage ok yan. Imagine the whole of espana blvd with a giant drainage tunnel below it. A super estero where squaters will not be able to build houses on! Pero as a part-time road network, it will be a disaster waiting to happen. Flash floods do happen, and it takes many minutes to vacate a tunnel of cars. Sa malaysia ok yun, they have competent weather prediction and competent traffic managers.

They should live where they work or work where they live does not apply to people with cars only. It should be everyone, including the jeepney and bus riders. If there are no people needing to ride the jeepney or bus then those jeepneys and buses will die a natural death.

Opinions lang naman ito. Pasensya na kung salungat sa opinions mo.

[CVT]

Liwanagin ko lang ang previous post ko,- as employees our salaries, allowances, benefits, bonuses et al are NOT ENTITLEMENTS.

They are PAYMENTS for the services we provide and goods we produce.

Now, if one or more of these compensations is/are way way higher than the industry bellweather for a similar type of goods and services (whether private or public company/industry) you do, then either you are lucky for being in that company which provides well for its employees, or you are in a shady company.

Being in a government company or agency with that type of compensation complicates things, especially if the people do not get proper services or goods that they deserve... So there goes....

20.2K:flush:

[Mguy]

when i said incompetent people to manage, i meant INCOMPETENT PEOPLE TO MANAGE. I DID NOT MEAN DRIVERS, I MEANT THE PEOPLE MANAGING NG SYSTEM OF TUNNELS. malinaw naman ang post ko e, pakibasa ulit please.

For the elevated hiway system, yes congested when the construction is ongoing. Pero after hindi na. Think skyway.

As for your tunnels, if purely for use as drainage ok yan. Imagine the whole of espana blvd with a giant drainage tunnel below it. A super estero where squaters will not be able to build houses on! Pero as a part-time road network, it will be a disaster waiting to happen. Flash floods do happen, and it takes many minutes to vacate a tunnel of cars. Sa malaysia ok yun, they have competent weather prediction and competent traffic managers.

They should live where they work or work where they live does not apply to people with cars only. It should be everyone, including the jeepney and bus riders. If there are no people needing to ride the jeepney or bus then those jeepneys and buses will die a natural death.

Opinions lang naman ito. Pasensya na kung salungat sa opinions mo.

Although I agree with you on the tunnels bit, specially in Manila where tunnel boring machines i doubt would work given that Manila was bombed well back to the dark ages during World War II, there would be plenty of unexploded ordnance underground that poses potential hazards when drilling.

What I don't agree, at least anymore, that we dismiss the Filipinos as being an incompetent bunch. If everybody had the same way of thinking, we will never progress ever. If you think that is the current reality, then fine. But to think in the future, we are still an incompetent bunch, we won't have faith in ourselves to grow.

[yebo]

Although I agree with you on the tunnels bit, specially in Manila where tunnel boring machines i doubt would work given that Manila was bombed well back to the dark ages during World War II, there would be plenty of unexploded ordnance underground that poses potential hazards when drilling.

What I don't agree, at least anymore, that we dismiss the Filipinos as being an incompetent bunch. If everybody had the same way of thinking, we will never progress ever. If you think that is the current reality, then fine. But to think in the future, we are still an incompetent bunch, we won't have faith in ourselves to grow.

Di ko naman sinabi incompetent ang pilipino. Sinabi ko lang na incompetent yung nasa gobyerno. The majority of them anyway.

[Mguy]

Di ko naman sinabi incompetent ang pilipino. Sinabi ko lang na incompetent yung nasa gobyerno. The majority of them anyway.

I get you, pero mga pinoy rin mga yun. You just got to have faith in them that they will get better, be it wherever they are assigned, private or government.

[cardict]

I get you, pero mga pinoy rin mga yun. You just got to have faith in them that they will get better, be it wherever they are assigned, private or government.

Kapit kamay at magsama sa bagong pagasa:freedom::cheers:

[yebo]

Sana nga. Kaso alam naman natin why most of them are in government, and that's because they will never make it in the private sector. Sa government they just need to pass the civil service exam and they are set for life. Sa private they need to prove themselves every single day or lose their jobs.

[cardict]

Sana nga. Kaso alam naman natin why most of them are in government, and that's because they will never make it in the private sector. Sa government they just need to pass the civil service exam and they are set for life. Sa private they need to prove themselves every single day or lose their jobs.

And may I add,basta malakas ka sa higher ups,your in in government services even lacking in qualification,while sa private sector you have to prove your worth,but never the less,have faith,sabi nga ni FVR,yes the filipino can:2thumbsup:

[foresterx]

I get you, pero mga pinoy rin mga yun. You just got to have faith in them that they will get better, be it wherever they are assigned, private or government.

sorry bro but unless the common filipino people do something about it i have no hope for our government to change or improve. our government is so corrupt that no matter how good and clean the next president is, he won't be able to change it. kelangan natin back to 0 muna, remove every single government employee and put a new one that hasn't experience corruption yet. yes i said it, every single one of them. and for that to happen kelangan ng mga kababayan natin magka isa. until then nothing will change, the illegal practices that our government is doing will go on for decades even milleniums if filipinos don't do anything about it.

ika nga "People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." in our country it's the other way around.

[Mguy]

sorry bro but unless the common filipino people do something about it i have no hope for our government to change or improve. our government is so corrupt that no matter how good and clean the next president is, he won't be able to change it. kelangan natin back to 0 muna, remove every single government employee and put a new one that hasn't experience corruption yet. yes i said it, every single one of them. and for that to happen kelangan ng mga kababayan natin magka isa. until then nothing will change, the illegal practices that our government is doing will go on for decades even milleniums if filipinos don't do anything about it.

ika nga "People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." in our country it's the other way around.

Changes has been ongoing in the government, albeit some bad and some good. Remember the days when you renew your license and have to get it after 90 days? Now you wait for mere minutes. Even NBI clearances, it got better as well as the passport. Things are indeed improving but in a slow pace.

I just hope everybody ride on the wind of change that is happening in the Philippines. I would think that the reason we are slow in progressing is that there is indeed corruption in certain places, and if there is none, we still doubt those people that are in the position. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Everybody must think whatever they say or whatever they do, they should think about moving forward and not staying put nor moving backwards.

[cardict]

sorry bro but unless the common filipino people do something about it i have no hope for our government to change or improve. our government is so corrupt that no matter how good and clean the next president is, he won't be able to change it. kelangan natin back to 0 muna, remove every single government employee and put a new one that hasn't experience corruption yet. yes i said it, every single one of them. and for that to happen kelangan ng mga kababayan natin magka isa. until then nothing will change, the illegal practices that our government is doing will go on for decades even milleniums if filipinos don't do anything about it.

ika nga "People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." in our country it's the other way around.

So should we go egypt's way? Just asking

[foresterx]

Changes has been ongoing in the government, albeit some bad and some good. Remember the days when you renew your license and have to get it after 90 days? Now you wait for mere minutes. Even NBI clearances, it got better as well as the passport. Things are indeed improving but in a slow pace.

I just hope everybody ride on the wind of change that is happening in the Philippines. I would think that the reason we are slow in progressing is that there is indeed corruption in certain places, and if there is none, we still doubt those people that are in the position. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Everybody must think whatever they say or whatever they do, they should think about moving forward and not staying put nor moving backwards.

yeah but most of those changes is because of technology, but look at the way they plan, their practices and the way they do things. yes it changed but very minimal to the point that it is unacceptable. the government still prioritize what will benefit them the most, that's what i'm saying that nothing has changed.

instead of a country that should be rising, our country is slowly being left behind by others. a country that has people as smart as us shouldn't be in this condition.

So should we go egypt's way? Just asking

if that's the only way our people could think off then there is no hope.:bwahaha: we should learn from our mistakes, accept it, learn from it and then improve ourselves. we need to reconstruct our government, yes it will take years to be fixed properly and lots of sacrifices and probably a little help from foreign countries. in return a great country, one we could truly be proud off and our children and the generations to pass after them deserves. truly i don't know how we will do that but i'm sure kung magkaka isa mga pinoy they will figure out a way.