Do you believe in Hell?

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sa totoo lang, as much as i want to believe na meron, it does not make a lot of sense for me na meron heaven and hell... so parang doubtful ako. mga 70% of me says na malabo may heaven and hell and 30% still hangs on to a little bit of faith.

[ab_initio]

Do people who kill themselves go straight to hell or purgatory? I remember when I was little we went to the wake of a distant relative who killed himself and he wasn't blessed by the church.

in one retreat i have attended, our retreat master said that there are actually two schools of thought about suicide. the Church doesn't look upon it with favor, so the one committing suicide, won't be blessed. on the other hand, the Church is faced with one more compelling reason of blessing the dead, because when the person committed suicide, he wasn't in his right mind, so there was no freedom when he chose to commit suicide. in some parishes, they allow the dead to be brought inside the Church, with a different ceremony though.

given those, i believe that the concept of hell is not really an unequivocal dogma of the Church. well, maybe because the Church assumes a greater responsibility of nourishing our souls and in that case, there's a tacit recognition that somehow, the Church failed to reach out to him when he was in darkness...then there is the concept of purgatory, which is always, abused by the faithful.

i heard that there is this move in the Vatican to abolish the concept of purgatory. what we have now is purgatory...everyday is a chance to redeem ourselves or correct our past misdeeds. i like the concept of the buddhist though of life after death...no chance, maging ipis ka or whatever after death pag bad ka...gaya ng mga gluttons diyan, maging baboy na lilitsonin pagkatapos mamatay.

[valvura]

Agree with XTO.:angel3:

For me, it's still better to believe in God and in life after death: whether in heaven or in hell; than not to believe at all. kasi ang lifespan natin is just a grain of sand in the ocean of eternity. is it worth the risk if we don't believe while we are living? :evil:

[valvura]

Do people who kill themselves go straight to hell or purgatory? I remember when I was little we went to the wake of a distant relative who killed himself and he wasn't blessed by the church.

Only God knows. But if there's repentance before the last heartbeat or breath, I think they are saved. Remember Judas, he repented by committing suicide. I don't think he went straight to hell. He had a role, though not a starring role, in Christ's mission of redemption.

[jansky]

Hell- for a catholic is a very hot place where you're spirit is unrested
Hell for a particular mind - is the surrounding itself.. namputsa namang buhay ito parang impyerno, sobrang init dito parang impyerno (nakapunta na cguro to sa hell)

Hell in the bible - did not state what is it like.. but it refer to a grave or a place of the dead

and about purgatory = Never read any about this in the bible


So what do you believe in?
it is better for this thread to be close.. as this point to your faith and belief

[wren]

hell yeah!

[testament11]

then, bakit nagpoint out si dante ng purgatory? and even describe what's inside the purgatory?

[donbuggy]

For me, it's still better to believe in God and in life after death: whether in heaven or in hell; than not to believe at all. kasi ang lifespan natin is just a grain of sand in the ocean of eternity. is it worth the risk if we don't believe while we are living? :evil:

valvura is talking about Pascal's Wager.

Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should "wager" as though God exists, because so living has everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

Anti-Pascal wager

Richard Dawkins argues for an "anti-Pascal wager" in his book, The God Delusion. "Suppose we grant that there is indeed some small chance that God exists. Nevertheless, it could be said that you will lead a better, fuller life if you bet on his not existing, than if you bet on his existing and therefore squander your precious time on worshipping him, sacrificing to him, fighting and dying for him, etc."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

[Memphis Raines]

We are surrounded by corrupt politicians aren't we? So YES I do!
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[jansky]

then, bakit nagpoint out si dante ng purgatory? and even describe what's inside the purgatory?

Dante is a writer and even he is not part of the Doctrine (bible)

who would you believe a writer or a doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Satan

[Zeus]

No!

[donbuggy]

We are surrounded by corrupt politicians aren't we? So YES I do!
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Hell is other people.

Jean-Paul Sartre, Closed Doors (1944)
French author & existentialist philosopher (1905 - 1980)

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/30237.html

[valvura]

don't know nothin' 'bout paschal's wager. what i posted is my opinion and belief.
it all boils down to Faith vs. Reasoning....

[ab_initio]

^^faith transcends the realm of reason...we believe for some things because science just can't explain them. it's like there's no other way to explain it...an impasse...what better way there is? believe!

[valvura]

We are surrounded by corrupt politicians aren't we? So YES I do!

"Nevertheless, it could be said that you will lead a better, fuller life if you bet on his not existing,..."

IMO, the latter is the line of thinking of these corrupt politicians. If these politicians believe that they'll be accountable to God on their wrongdoings, siguro wala tayong corruption.

[testament11]

i belive in doctrine pa rin syempre...

[rion]

yep, I believe in hell. but anything I do good deed is not enough to go to heaven. for the Jews, it was lambs sacrifice. for Christians, the sacrifice of the son of God can pay for all my sins.

so all I need is faith. but faith without works is dead. therefore, good deeds is the manifistation of faith. but good deeds is never my salvation...

faith is not always that easy, with a brain like mine that can only work *10% of it's capabilty.

edit: now I remember, Angels have way better brains than us, maybe even overclocked. but they even fell shorter than us.

[jeDi13]

religion has always been one of the topics of unending debate, and will always be..

for those who believe thru faith and for those who don't because of scientific reasons, how about this:

Religion without science is blind, and science without religions is lame - Einstein

para peace to all

[bad driver]

religion has always been one of the topics of unending debate, and will always be..

for those who believe thru faith and for those who don't because of scientific reasons, how about this:

para peace to all

to be fair, Einstein also explicitly rejects a theistic god.

For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
-- Albert Einstein

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein

[bad driver]

^^faith transcends the realm of reason...we believe for some things because science just can't explain them. it's like there's no other way to explain it...an impasse...what better way there is? believe!

Or we could always say "we don't know" (yet).