Choose : Toshiba or Apple?

[OTO]

A lot of people bash the Mac because it has delayed & limited number of games. The question I have is this, why spend $500 on a video card when a video console costs below $150. Video consoles are complete computers dedicated to gaming and only lacks a display. Video consoles dont crash. Video consoles rarely have bugs. Video consoles wont be outdated until 5 years later. Video consoles are a heck a lot more simple than a Windows or Mac machine. Video consoles do not have viruses, malware or whatnot.

I find PC gamers hilarious. They balk at paying a premium for a iPod and yet are willing to fork out almost $700 for a video card and almost a thousand dollars for the fastest AMD/Intel chips which they overclock & void their warranty. This is just me but I could buy a GameCube, PS2 and Xbox for that money and have some change for extra controllers & memory cards.

It is as if people bought surplus delivery trucks to fetch the kids to school because they have the capacity to bring the whole clan wherever they go.

[Karding]

Wala ako masabi sa mga alam ni OTO, elib ako sayo kapatid!

Ngayon ko lang nalaman na hindi pala pedeng mag jump ng update from 10.2 to 10.4 kailangan pala incremental. So, Im on 10.2.8 update right now sa G4 desktop. Sa sobrang bilib ko kay OTO, magagamit ko na yung G4 ko sa office which has been collecting dusts :hihihi: I never really used the G4 with anything else but restoring the images for our client machines. So now, medyo ma explore ko na ang Mac.

G4 1GHz, 1.5GB, SuperDrive, 80GB slave and 40GB master hdd.

[OTO]

Ngayon ko lang nalaman na hindi pala pedeng mag jump ng update from 10.2 to 10.4 kailangan pala incremental. So, Im on 10.2.8 update right now sa G4 desktop. Sa sobrang bilib ko kay OTO, magagamit ko na yung G4 ko sa office which has been collecting dusts :hihihi: I never really used the G4 with anything else but restoring the images for our client machines. So now, medyo ma explore ko na ang Mac.

G4 1GHz, 1.5GB, SuperDrive, 80GB slave and 40GB master hdd.

In your case I'd suggest backing up all your data and do a clean install to 10.4/Tiger. Is that a Quicksilver 2002 with a dual 1GHz processor? The specs look familiar. My friend has a similar machine and works brilliantly. A lot has changed from 10.2 to 10.4.

I should be paid by Apple. ;)

[Karding]

In your case I'd suggest backing up all your data and do a clean install to 10.4/Tiger. Is that a Quicksilver 2002 with a dual 1GHz processor? The specs look familiar. My friend has a similar machine and works brilliantly. A lot has changed from 10.2 to 10.4.

I should be paid by Apple. ;)

galeng ah, June 2002 purchase date and Dual 1GHz processor nga! Paired with a 22" Apple Cinema Display ADC. ginagamit ko lang pampanood ng DVD ito eh, haha.

I just found out na hindi pala gumagana ang Remedy app sa Mac

[Karding]

another thing I found, 10.2.8 ang current version ko. Akala ko update lang yun pala may bayad na ang 10.3. Kumbaga sa Windows another type of OS na pala yon. Langya, akala ko kse driver lang dahil sa naming convention na ginagamit ng Mac. Fortunately, I was able to find a 10.4 version sa G5 Dual 2.5GHz which will be going out to one of our client, I can use it for testing purposes.

OSX 10.4/Tiger
"Bundled software only, cannot be installed."

[OTO]

another thing I found, 10.2.8 ang current version ko. Akala ko update lang yun pala may bayad na ang 10.3. Kumbaga sa Windows another type of OS na pala yon. Langya, akala ko kse driver lang dahil sa naming convention na ginagamit ng Mac. Fortunately, I was able to find a 10.4 version sa G5 Dual 2.5GHz which will be going out to one of our client, I can use it for testing purposes.

OSX 10.4/Tiger
"Bundled software only, cannot be installed."

OS X is just a brand similar to Windows.

MS has a similar Windows update scheme.
Windows 95 (1995)
Windows 95 OSR2 or OSRB (1997)
Windows 98 (1998)
Windows 98 SE (1999)
Windows 2000 (Q1 2000)
Windows ME (Q2 2000)
Windows XP (2001)
Windows XP SP1 (2002)
Windows XP SP2 (2004)
Longhorn (2006)

Apple's OS X timeline is...

Mac OS X v10.0 "Cheetah" March 2001
Mac OS X v10.1 "Puma" September 2001 (Free update)
Mac OS X v10.2 "Jaguar" August 2002
Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" October 2003
Mac OS X v10.4 "Tiger" April 2005
Mac OS X v10.5 "Leopard" Late 2006

For the price the OS updates are worth it. Each point update speeds up any Mac from most G3s to the more recent G5s. I havent heard of any personal computer or computer for that matter that speeds up after every OS release. It gives a new meaning to the word "upgrade".

The copy of Tiger on the PowerMac G5 should work on the PowerMac G4. Friend used his G5's OS X DVD installer on his G4 and it worked.

[5Speed]

http://www.apple.com/business/soluti...hitecture.html

OTO....saludo ako sa yo bro....now I am more inclined to buy my first Mac... you should work for Steve Job....heheheehe


one more question.... is that powercadd and versa cad software compatible with the AutoCad? I mean can I just open the autocad file with that software without any big fuss and vice versa?? yan lang naman ang napakalaking dahilan kaya di pa ako lumilipat sa Mac....I dont want to have two desktop or two laptop.....it will be just a waste of my hard earned money....

[OTO]

OTO....saludo ako sa yo bro....now I am more inclined to buy my first Mac... you should work for Steve Job....heheheehe


one more question.... is that powercadd and versa cad software compatible with the AutoCad? I mean can I just open the autocad file with that software without any big fuss and vice versa?? yan lang naman ang napakalaking dahilan kaya di pa ako lumilipat sa Mac....I dont want to have two desktop or two laptop.....it will be just a waste of my hard earned money....

Dapat nga binabayaran ako ng mokong yun.

As I dont know anything about CAD I dunno if it'll work. Click click na lang kapatid. ;)

[need4speed]

you sure know your stuff OTO... *two thumbs up*

[OTO]

Presenting the new iBook

http://www.apple.com/ibook/

[liwanag]

hello guys! share ko lang po experience ko as an apple user from the time being.I work as a casino dealer in one of the cruise lines based here in miami and as such i use a laptop mainly for video chatting dahil po usually here in the US they provide free wireless connection in almost all the US ports that we docked in.I used to own a sony vaio but because of a very short battery life span i sold it and opted for an apple ibook(gusto pong subukan he he) so i bought an ibook g4 12 inch model for 999$ eto po ang observations ko

pros:
-cute very portable (dami pong nakakapansin he he)
-battery life is amazing it lasts for almost 4hrs while surfing the net and downloading stuffs
-its fast and free from any viruses
-good wireless connection
cons:
-eto lang po main concern ko sa pc i used yahoo messenger to video chat with my family but here in ibook yahoo messenger is good for video and typing messages only no audio (di rin po pwedeng mag text thru pc)kaya we have to use skype for audio chatting which is at times irritating because we have to use yahoo and skype at the same time thus making the signal weak probably beacause of too much applications
-a lot of programs on the net dont work on the apple
Pero so far po im happy with my ibook and im still learning a lot of things on how to use OS X.Pasensiya na po dahil newbie po ako dito i just want to share my 1 cent views. CHEERS!!!!

[wrcastro_ph]

ako din naka apple. ibook yung sakin naka tiger na. I can use both OSX and windows xp pro via virtual pc. ganda nga ng mac. tama lahat ang sinasabi ni OTO.
pero at the beginning ay maninibago ka lang dahil iba ang architecture ng mac. Galing ni OTO, pag me problem pala ko sa Mac sya na lang ang tatanungin ko.. heheheh

[Jun aka Pekto]

MS has a similar Windows update scheme.
Windows 95 (1995)
Windows 95 OSR2 or OSRB (1997)
Windows 98 (1998)
Windows 98 SE (1999)
Windows 2000 (Q1 2000)
Windows ME (Q2 2000)
Windows XP (2001)
Windows XP SP1 (2002)
Windows XP SP2 (2004)
Longhorn (2006)

That's a bit deceiving. MS had patches bringing Win95 to OSR2 standard, Win98 had free downloads (eg, DirectX, IE5) which virtually made it Win98SE, W2k was geared for business, not consumers, SP1 and SP2 are available as free downloads for XP.

It should be:
Consumers:
Win95
Win98
WinME
WinXP

Business:
WinNT4
Win2k
WinXP

the more recent G5s. I havent heard of any personal computer or computer for that matter that speeds up after every OS release. It gives a new meaning to the word "upgrade".

Sure about that? I remember when OSX was first released. It was as slow as molasses in winter. It couldn't possibly get any slower. So yeah, every upgrade made the interface more responsive. Jaguar certainly crawled on my iBook G3 800. It also took 3 tries with Apple before my iBook had a battery that worked properly. The iBook generation I had was also plagued by motherboard problems. So it wasn't always rosy.

Having said that, my G4 Mini has been problem free and most likely I'll replace it with a Core Duo Mini.

[mbt]

Apple.

[need4speed]

might as well wait for the ibook replacements (with an intel chip).

i'm using a macbook pro now (core duo). i'm able to run windows natively via Apple's Boot Camp or via Parallel's Workstation (like VMWare but much cheaper and just as good). I can play PC Games or pretty much anything a PC can do, my Mac can do too.

Although Boot Camp is still in the Beta testing phase as it will be a standard feature for OSX 10.5 Leopard.

[nicolodeon]

Planning to get either an Apple iBookG4 or Toshiba A50 - S135. I'm still quite confused on which to get. Purpose for the laptop: programming, photo editing, video composition; in short power user. I partially inclined to the ibook especially with the wireless features. But then whats holding me back is the availability of programs. Since Apple uses Mac OSx which is linux based, I'm not really sure whether there are freeware programs that are downloadable through the net. I know I know. Maraming pirated. But then I don't plan to install pirated programs in an iBook. So I'm torn between the two. I'd like to know your comments or suggestions on this.

What would be the primary use for the laptop? Programming or video production? Kung primarily programming/app development ka for clients running on a Windows platform, go with Toshiba. If you're going into video production that would be using, say, CGI then I'd say get a souped-up desktop. Kahit na hindi CGI, I'd recommended a powerful desktop of your going into some serious video production work.

Photoediting, any of the two (Toshiba or Apple) would do. I think what you would need to define first would be on what would you be using the rig most of the time e.g. 70% programming, 20% video production, 10% photoediting. Do a simple needs assessment first, then the rest would flow.

[Jun aka Pekto]

The question I have is this, why spend $500 on a video card when a video console costs below $150.

A $150 dollar video card will still have much better clarity and much higher resolution than a console. That $150 video card may not have bragging rights frame rates. But, if it's just fluid enough, then that card is more than adequate.

I have Need For Speed Underground for both the PC and PS2. Trust me, the PS2 doesn't even come close because it's limited to 640x480(400) and relatively poor detail due to its having to use tv resolution. It's clarity doesn't even approach 640x480 on the pc much less 1280x960 or higher. The latest consoles like the XBox360 does higher resolutions. But then, you'll have to add the price of an HD tv which right now, hover near $1400 for a 32" lcd one.
PS2 top, PC bottom:


As for a $500 video card....... I wouldn't buy one either. So you won't get any arguments from me.

I find PC gamers hilarious. They balk at paying a premium for a iPod and yet are willing to fork out almost $700 for a video card and almost a thousand dollars for the fastest AMD/Intel chips which they overclock & void their warranty. This is just me but I could buy a GameCube, PS2 and Xbox for that money and have some change for extra controllers & memory cards.

I honestly doubt PC gamers would balk at paying a premium for an iPod. I see many of them owning iPods of all types. They may balk at paying for a Mac. But an iPod? Remember, if the iPod wasn't released for Windows users, the iPod and iTunes would still be relatively obscure.

You're also referring to the hardcore PC gamers. The majority of pc gamers are much less demanding and willing to forego the latest/greatest and go with bang for the buck intead. I don't have a $700 video card although I certainly can put one in this pc if I wanted to. But, my $280 (a year ago) ASUS PCI-E X800XL plays all my games (FEAR being the most hog) fine at 1280x960 plus I can use its ViVo features to hook up my DirectTV box and capture/edit tv shows just fine and also supply the PS2 picture above.

I also have had this AMD X2 4200+ dualcore homebuilt for almost a year now. The cpu cost me $500 and yet, I see no need to overclock it up to now.


One thing to note that OpenGL hardware and software rendering (not cpu) is still slower on the Mac regardless of whether it's a PPC G5 or an Intel Core Duo. That points to OSX itself as the culprit.

It's not as bad on the Core Duo chips although it still lags those on equivalent pc's. But, for a while, OpenGL games like Doom3 were awlully slow on the PPC chips (with framerates barely half that on pc's with lesser cpu's and video cards) even when outfitted with the latest video cards.

Moving to Intel is probably Apple's smartest move and the latest Macs are certainly very tempting. But up to that point, there had been plenty to grouse about Macs.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Planning to get either an Apple iBookG4 or Toshiba A50 - S135. I'm still quite confused on which to get. Purpose for the laptop: programming, photo editing, video composition; in short power user.

Save your money and wait for the Intel iBooks. I wouldn't go with a G4 iBook in this late stage unless you're strapped for cash.

If you also want to have the convenience of a reliable software suite, then you should pick an Intel-based Mac laptop (preferably a Mac Book Pro) because they come bundled with the excellent iLife suite.

I take it when you mean photoediting, you're referring to digital photos with enhancing and cataloging as your main functions. If that's the case, then iPhoto should work fine for you.

For video-editing, iMovieHD is ok. I mean it's a solid video-editing app. But, it doesn't do tricks like direct to mpeg2 capture (saves space) or smart-rendering (saves time) which are almost standard on most pc video-editing apps. Still, if you're just getting started, iMovie is a great beginner's tool. Hand in hand with iMovie is iDVD. It's quite good although at this stage, it doesn't quite have a leg up on its pc competitors like it used to. Still, IDVD ranks up there as one of the better dvd authoring tools.

If you do buy an iBook, make sure you buy Roxio Toast 7 as a supplement for iLife and OSX's built-in tools. Photoshop is also a given although you shouldn't if you don't really need it and iPhoto's enhancement tools are sufficient enough.

There's also Final Cut Express whenever you outgrow iMovie.

If you follow my advice and either wait for an Intel iBook or buy a Mac Book Pro instead, you can dualboot to XP and indulge in many pc games, thus having the best of both worlds.....

[OTO]

You couldnt patch Win95 to OSR2 because FAT32 is a OSR2-only feature. Win98 to Win98SE required a purchased SE installer. Virtually isnt the same as actually. It's like modifying an old beat up Lancer to look like & have an engine of an Evo. Whatever way you do it it is still a modified Lancer and never ever an Evo. W2K being geared to businesses didnt stop consumers from preffering it over ME. It's like saying MSO is targeted at businesses & MSW are for the consumer this doesnt stop consumers from going for MSO.

That's a bit deceiving. MS had patches bringing Win95 to OSR2 standard, Win98 had free downloads (eg, DirectX, IE5) which virtually made it Win98SE, W2k was geared for business, not consumers, SP1 and SP2 are available as free downloads for XP.

It should be:
Consumers:
Win95
Win98
WinME
WinXP

Business:
WinNT4
Win2k
WinXP

It may have been slow as a turtle but it was more stable & secure than any versions of Windows. The additional money you put towards a Mac makes up for the money you have to pay for legitimate copies of firewall & antivirus programs.

It is unfair to single out Apple's iBook as being defective as IBM, Dell, Toshiba, etc also had hardware problems as well. Diff is the iBook brand is so prominent that problems tend to be magnified out of proportion. That's what you get from having only 2 product lines instead of multitudes. Didnt Apple replace your the logic board for free? My 3+ year old iBook was fixed for free by Apple even if it was out of warranty 2+ years. I wouldnt expect the same courtesy from other makers.

Sure about that? I remember when OSX was first released. It was as slow as molasses in winter. It couldn't possibly get any slower. So yeah, every upgrade made the interface more responsive. Jaguar certainly crawled on my iBook G3 800. It also took 3 tries with Apple before my iBook had a battery that worked properly. The iBook generation I had was also plagued by motherboard problems. So it wasn't always rosy.

Having said that, my G4 Mini has been problem free and most likely I'll replace it with a Core Duo Mini.

[oldblue]

naku sobrang technical nito. pero kung ako papipiliin din lang dun na sa marami mayroon para madali mag-share at mas mura mag-maint or mag-pagawa. HP or Dell hehehe