The BIG 4 Universities here in the Philippines

[Negus]

AFAIK, DLSU is the only private university which attained a PAASCU level 4 accreditation in the Philippines. Admu, afaik, is still at level 3, di ko alam if they attain level 4 na. idagdag ko lang.

La Salle may not look like much on the outside. but they are the private university with the most tie-up with the industry in Computer Science and COE Field. AFAIK, DLSU bought a share of the Malayan Institute of Technology (Mapua), can someone confirm?
i think they are already changing their "image" from "lasallista" (elitista) to lasalyano. and yes, ngayon maganda na ang mix ng students. partida, kahit maliit total floor area ng lasalle lamang kami sa ibang bagay ah. j/k

You can see the PAASCU accredition on the websites of the Universities mentioned. Medyo na "stigma" o branded na pag lasalle eh mga bobo na mayaman. but ultimately it is the student not the institution who will dictate your success.

Antayin niyo din yung first Philippine entry to the Solar Car Challenge Australia from DLSU, google keyword "solar car challenge DLSU". Kaya para sa akin masasabi ko lang mejo may edge ang dlsu when it comes to the Engineering field/ComSci hindi lang masyado nagkakaroon ng exposure hehe, lagi na lang yung Business Admin/accounting ang sumisikat hehe.

[student_01]

hala, may accreditation accreditation na ngayon?, ah, oo for DLSU level 4 sila right?

UST- pala is the one and Only Pontifical, Royal and Catholic University here in the Philippines

we will be celebrating our 400th year in 2011, so to all my fellow thomasians, punta kayo ha, lalo na yung mga ALUMNI

One more thing, the problem with UST kase, hinde na bumabalik yung mga ALUMNI! saan saan na napapadpad, wala ng pakialam pag nakahanap na ng trabaho,hinde katulad sa ADMU and DLSU, grabe support ng Alumni, sa UST, naku what do you expect..hehehe

UST - is not affliated with PAASCU, PACUCOA po kame Level 3 po status namen sa kanila.

[Negus]

May kanya-kanya talagang specialty ang mga iba't ibang Universities. ang nakakainis lang di masyado nabibigyan ng importansiya yung COE/CCS sa lasalle in the eyes of the people. kasi pag sinabi mong lasalle, ano specialty diyan? UST = pinakamagaling sa medicine, ADMU = LAW and AIM (ADMU and DLSU tied up to establish the world reknown AIM), UP = magaling sa lahat. sa lasalle parang walang specialty, hehe, accounting maybe?. so i say our specialty would be Engineering/CCS..... peace!

about the alumnis, i would say sobrang die hard sila especially yung mga nag-highschool from lasalle Greenhills. You can always count on them for monetary support. they live, breath and eat "green" to the point na it becomes irritatingly funny. lalo yung mga kasabayan nina ogie alcasid. The video "i rather be green than blue" are made by College of St. Benielde students, but most of the creative team behind that are alumnis of lasalle greenhills. dun talaga ang mga tao grabe ang loyalty sa Lasalle.

[Negus]

i'm sorry if the thread became a "my *** is bigger than yours" thread. pero natural lang na ipagtatanggol mo school mo hehe. healthy competition is an important component para maunlad ang quality ng education as a whole dito sa atin, hehe.

Oh, Btw ADMU is also at PAASCU LEVEL IV accreditation na. Congrats to ADMU!

ang masama kasi yung mga entrance exam review centers only mention three universities, UP, ADMU and DLSU. parang nag-kakaroon tuloy ng impression sa mga highschool graduates na pag hindi ka nakapasok sa tatlong to eh parang hindi ka kabilang sa "elite". they should be only called "entrance exam review center" period.

[ryan]

ouch sakit naman. we are better than Ateneo in that survey, kasi hindi naman kami sobrang talino. marunong kami makisalamuha (tama ba yun term) either kung mayaman o mahirap ang kasama namin sa work.

i've worked with quite a few Ateneans noon pinadala kami sa abroad for training. the problem is medyo may pagka-elitista talaga ang galing sa Ateneo. kahit na nauna batch kami ti-nrain, parang kailangan i-treat na namin kagad na bisor yun 2nd batch na ateneans hehehe.

although we are trained to be elitists ourselves (like in the terms Lasalista, atenista), the social climate in DLSU eh may variety talaga. may mayaman, may rich fil-chinese, may kuripot fil-chinese, may promdi, may mga middle-class families who would sacrifice the sun and the moon, just to get their kids a good education.

it comes with the surrounding environment too. Taft ave. is just like any other Manila University/U-belt location. unlike that area in Katipunan, na para ba Alabang of the North.

a lot of makati companies love to hire us too. kasi nga, we are properly trained with world-standard facilities pero wala yun the usual na may ere (like Ateneo) o feeling so smart (like UP). no offense pero eto naman ang feedback ng mga executives sa top 2.

Hehehe I can somehow relate to that as I was from ADMU. Of course di lahat ng tao ganito but my impression from fellow Ateneans is may pagka-elitista talaga. Its not totally bad but minsan nasa maling lugar yung "school pride" na yun (thanks to our professors' propaganda).

Compared Lasallistas in general (where all my HS buddies went), my Ateneo schoolmates are usually academically better. But it is interesting to note that 10 years after graduation, it seems like more of my Lasallista friends are financially much well off (if that's a good measure of "success" hehe) although pretty much all my Atenean friends have stable jobs.

Kung baga siguro mas trained sa "street smarts" mga Lasallistas compared to Ateaneans. One very obvious negative thing I observe in many Lasallistas though is that they seem to have insecurities especially towards Ateneans which I always wondered why.

[Jun aka Pekto]

I guess I'm the only one here who can say I never attended a nice college. Mapua might've been it. But, I didn't even graduate which I hope to rectify in the future........


Such a humbling thought...... *sigh*

[mikmik316]

Sigurado ako next time meron ng gusto mag expand dun sa list to include a number 5... ano kaya magandang tawag dun? The Elite 5???? bwehehehe

[student_01]

ewan ko lang, kase for me, yung 4 apat na yan, lumabas na nung 2000 asiaweek rankings and THES Rankings just last year

just my 2 cents.

[Alpha_One]

Please do not get me wrong here bros and sis, as I just want to put this survey in the proper perspective.

IMHO:

First, I think the title of the thread is not reflective of what the survey should mean for all of us here.

It is not about what are the better schools in the Philippines.

It is about what the Philippines is, in the world arena. It is about how the rest of the world see our educational system and its products,- ourselves. Notwithstanding all of the biases in the survey,- this shows that the world sees our graduates today as far from being world-class. I am red-faced here, just like yourselves who think that we are.

So, I would like to encourage everyone to stop implying that his or her school is better than some or the rest, here in our country. This action only relegates us to the level of 'lowly politicians' whom most of us scorned oh so cruel in the other threads.

Instead, let's contribute our rightful share in nation building. And hopefully, our better schools will be in the top 10 in the next few decades. It's not impossible. We were at the top of the whole of Asia in the 50s, and the more successful ones today were then reeling at the bottom.

We do not owe it to ourselves. We owe it to our posterity....

God bless us all!

To borrow the late Pres. MLQ's words,- "My loyalty to my school ends, where my loyalty to our country begins"

Amen.

HINDE sa nagiging masyadong defensive ha, kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng BIG 3 na yan, dahel sa mga review centers, parang masyado nila dinisdicriminate ang UST, eh, kasama parin naman siya sa world rankings

Honestly, in comparison to the rest of the Big 4, UST is underrated. To be quite frank though, all of the Big 4 are highly overrated. I'm not saying they're bad, but UP, AdMU, La Salle, and UST aren't exactly the end-all and be-all of univerities like many people put them to be.

ako sa UP Diliman lang galing, Mahihirap daw kame sabi ng other 3 schools. LOL!!!

Dami pa rin Promdi sa UP Diliman (top 15th in SEA Universities)... i know kasi, lagi pa rin ako nandoon kahit di na ako nag-aaral. Kumakain sa Lutong bahay (minsan sa Beach house or Chateau Garden), naglalaro ng RC Helicopter sa Sunken, istambay sa Lagoon, Kumakain ng monay with cheese.

Haaayy... i miss studying so much!

Back then, mukha akong ewan, pumapasok sa school ang daming dala: 42" T-square, 30" x 20" plate case, bag full of drafting tools, some books, minsan may dala pang laptop, ang lalayo pa ng bldgs. Hinahatid ako ng papa ko pag medyo sobrang dami kong dala.

Yeaaaah, monay! Don't forget the Kalay Residence Hall favorite, the isaw!

:lol: Ako walang dala sa klase pag pumapasok, ID lang. Kahit pera wala... dormer kasi ako eh at hindi ako nagdi-dyip. Naalala ko nung misan nalimutan ko magdala ng blue book bago mag exam nangutang pa ako ng dalawang piso sa kaklase ko! :hysterical:

DLSU, UST and ADMU have programs that benefit those who are bright but financially challenged.

There are also payment schemes for everyone else.

I also read a report somewhere that most of those who study in UP now are also financially capable people. Not sure with that though.

True. No surprise really. I mean, it's not just UP. People who get to college are generally financially capable.

[Alpha_One]

I guess I'm the only one here who can say I never attended a nice college. Mapua might've been it. But, I didn't even graduate which I hope to rectify in the future........


Such a humbling thought...... *sigh*

That's okay. To be honest *all* big/popular/top schools are overrated. The head start they give you is nice, but again, it ain't the be-all and end-all of your career.

Among other things, the drawbacks of studying/having studied in a top school is, upon making an honest (if sometimes stupid) mistake, people would go:

"Ang tanga tanga mo talaga, sa <insert school name here> ka pa naman nag-(a)aral!"

[pup2]

that Webometrics ranking is a joke. first of all, look at their methodology (how the rankings were calculated). the criteria includes number of references to literature their profs produced (?) and number of hits on their website (??!). size is also a factor (wtf?). that explains why Penn State is #5 - which is an average university at best, but huge (the campus is basically a city). of course, the bigger you are, the more profs and students you have, ergo, more hits to websites and more papers produced. but what about quality over quantity?

there is no way in hell U of Florida, UC SD, and Texas A&M should be ranked much higher than Yale and Princeton. are they kidding?? would any of you go to those schools over the Ivy League?

well, maybe if you're a HS football star looking to make the NFL


you have it backwards. top schools can afford to be selective because all the top students want to go to those schools. and there's no way you can attract top talent unless you have the best programs, best teachers, and best job placement networks. that means employers, the educational system, and the world in general considers you the best. yes, it's great to be able to recruit potential, but the top students can get into any school. they'll only attend your school if you're the best.

in regard to your other points, it is quite easy to make a list of &quot;best education for least money&quot; schools. just take a ranking you trust, and apply a weighting based on the average cost to attend. i believe somebody already does those lists as a matter of fact. but keep in mind that kind of comparison is not too good when you're talking about multiple countries.

Obviously, agree ako sa 1st point mo since we made the same one. I also agree mostly with the third since I never really disputed its existence or possibility -- you gotta admit that a heckuva lot less people would even look for, not to mention read, a survey like that. So a paradigm shift is needed pa din. Yung sa second point, it can actually work both ways. Schools can actually start in being a TOP school by offering all sorts of incentives for smart prospects to go there. Shucks, I even know of some who'll PAY smart students to study there. Trust me, this happens quite a lot here -- maybe because we're poor. It can then deny the applications of lesser students.Once the rep is established, lesser students with a lot of dough can then be accepted. This is how reputations are developed specially among SOME newer schools. I know it sounds bad but that is really one of the off-shoots of shooting for being a TOP school as opposed to being a MOST school.It's sort of like choosing between having a 5% super-genius country and 95% uneducated or having only 1% super-genius and 99 average. IMHO, the latter would be much more productive for the world rather than the former.

[empy]

Obviously, agree ako sa 1st point mo since we made the same one. I also agree mostly with the third since I never really disputed its existence or possibility -- you gotta admit that a heckuva lot less people would even look for, not to mention read, a survey like that. So a paradigm shift is needed pa din. Yung sa second point, it can actually work both ways. Schools can actually start in being a TOP school by offering all sorts of incentives for smart prospects to go there. Shucks, I even know of some who'll PAY smart students to study there. Trust me, this happens quite a lot here -- maybe because we're poor. It can then deny the applications of lesser students.Once the rep is established, lesser students with a lot of dough can then be accepted. This is how reputations are developed specially among SOME newer schools. I know it sounds bad but that is really one of the off-shoots of shooting for being a TOP school as opposed to being a MOST school.It's sort of like choosing between having a 5% super-genius country and 95% uneducated or having only 1% super-genius and 99 average. IMHO, the latter would be much more productive for the world rather than the former.

yup, i noticed your first post after i made mine. pareho nga tayo ng reaction

unfortunately, it's not that easy, mainly because the top students (i'm talking worldwide, not necessarily Philippines) can also get scholarships. Harvard, Penn, MIT, Cal Tech, Princeton, Oxford, etc. all offer full scholarships plus stipends to their very top candidates, and also have assistance programs for those with financial hardships. the endowments of some of these universities exceed the market caps of many midsize public companies.

not saying it's impossible, but it will be very hard. you first of all must attract the absolute best professors and researchers, and spare no expense with your facilities and programs. then you have to aggressively build your job placement network and alumni network for many years to even get close to that of a more established university.

it just takes time. it took Harvard 4 centuries to get to where it is. UP, which AFAIK is the most respected university in the RP, is 100 years old.

[Horsepower]

Teaching not so intelligent kids is a very hard job as told by a friend who now teaches in a big private university. It must be mighty frustrating i guess. His pay is thrice (or quad) the normal rate though.

There's one school though that "unleashes" your full potential and that's Montessori system. I know because i've been in one. My happiest school days are with Montessori and UP. I plan to give my future children the same education, Montessori + UP (or Ateneo). Montessori is not cheap but the results are well worth it. UP is just a public university so the tuition is affordable.

[student_01]

Teaching not so intelligent kids is a very hard job as told by a friend who now teaches in a big private university. It must be mighty frustrating i guess. His pay is thrice (or quad) the normal rate though.

There's one school though that "unleashes" your full potential and that's Montessori system. I know because i've been in one. My happiest school days are with Montessori and UP. I plan to give my future children the same education, Montessori + UP (or Ateneo). Montessori is not cheap but the results are well worth it. UP is just a public university so the tuition is affordable.

still, we should not be satisfied with the said rankings of the said schools, because, if we are going to compare and make an analysis between the standards and qualities that these BIG 4 schools have, as we can see, we are more in a stage of disappointment rather than in a stage of satisfaction. Other schools like Tokyo University or what have you, already extablished a system wherein these kind of universities have already been excelling in different areas of specialization and areas of studies. eh kung pag ikokompara mo yung mga eskwelahan dito sa pinas, wala pa yan sa kalinkigan ng eskwelahan sa ibang bansa no.!

[baiskee]

parang UAAP na rin ang laban ah.

[mikmik316]

parang UAAP na rin ang laban ah.

pg ganyan 75% of the time talo ang Ateneo sa La Salle

[student_01]

well, so far so good, tinalo ng UST ang Ateneo ( Dominicans Vs. Jesuits) hehe

[SIZE=2]
[/SIZE]

[jasprit]

hmmmmm.....:tv_happy:

pagandahan na lng ng chikz sa st.paul at miriam ako nyahahaha

[CaMoTe!!!]

i know kasi, lagi pa rin ako nandoon kahit di na ako nag-aaral. Kumakain sa Lutong bahay (minsan sa Beach house or Chateau Garden), xxx

bossing, san banda yung beach house at chateau garden? ano food dun boss???

[Horsepower]

Beach House yung BBQ sa likod ng Main Lib sa Sunken Garden.

Chateau Garden, formal dining ito variety of Italian and spanish food (Euro theme), price is great, good value for money, masarap luto dito. Street between Infirmary and Shopping Center, derechohin mo lang, you'll see what seems to be a garden with pebbled parking lot, yun na yun.