The BIG 4 Universities here in the Philippines

[BoEinG_747]

50k??? ngek. That can be easily earned here.

50K/month
depende pa din cguro sa katayuan mo sa buhay sa Pinas

[oldblue]

50k??? ngek. That can be easily earned here.

50k for a new grad. malabo sir unless yun na nga mayaman ang parents.

when I started working, I was only P50/day above the minimum wage kasi technical ang linya ko. napakahirap ng ganito sweldo lalo na pag nagka-syota ka pa sa work mo.

[Horsepower]

If you choose to be an employee, mahirap talaga ang 50k/mo esp for a new grad (15k/mo lang ata ang starting offer, not sure).

pero there are other ways to earn naman other than being an employee. Not necessarily mayaman parents mo or may pera ka talaga. Not that being an employee is wrong in itself, limited kasi ang horizon mo sa position na ito. Yung employer mo ang yayaman.

Look at the World, the possibilities are endless.

[pup2]

Actually, I came from one of those 4. Pero ang rep nila pati na din ang basis for the world rankings, IMHO, ay may problema. Sakit na ata ng education sa mundo yan.

Unahin ko ang sa world rankings -- AFAIK, ang mga kasamang criteria diyan aside from physical facilities ay AREA of operations. Ang isa pa ay # of published papers ng mga faculty. Ang problema ko lang dun -- parang wala namang masyadong kinalaman yun sa pagtuturo! Yung una, ibig sabihin ay malaki ang floor space -- ni hindi ko makita ang connection sa education. Yung pangalawa, ibig sabihin prolific ang faculty mo sumulat ng papers. Wala namang sinabi kung gaano ka-importante yung mga papers na yun o kung nai-tuturo ng mahusay yung topics (kung mahusay man yung sumusulat) -- basta dami ng papers lang. Eh puro may sariling printing presses yung mga yun eh.

But my biggest beef is the most basic one. One of the top criteria for ANY ranking is a school's selectivity. In other words, if you only accept geniuses, then you are the best school. My beef with that is three-fold. First, there really are NOT that many geniuses to go around anywhere! So what kind of impact could being exclusive make in practice to the general populace? Leaders? Bah -- there's much more to leadership than intelligence.

Second, in acuality, gifted kids hardly need the resources and facilities those 4 have. Even if you leave those kids with an average but dedicated mentor, gagaling yang mga yan simply because by definition, they have the ability to learn by themselves given the slightest direction. Do they know it? No, but they will.

Third, the basis for a scheme like this is akin to making an already efficient engine even more efficient. Matalino na 'yung studyante mo, dadagdagan mo lang ng KONTING learning, presto -- a top 4 school.

IMHO, the solution to the education of the world is to focus not on being a TOP school but on being a school able to impart the MOST knowledge. Di ba mas magaling na school yung makakapagpatalino maraming below-average na tao kesa doon sa makakadagdag lang ng 5 points sa IQ ng isang genyo?

At hindi ba mas maraming makikinabang at mas malaki ang idedevelop ng bansa natin kung imbes na magpadala tayo ng 10 genyo sa abroad (na hindi naman lahat ay magbabayad ng buwis), ay gawin nating employable ang libo-libong 'stand-by' sa kanto?

In this regard, lesser-known schools who provide the MOST content for less money should have a higher ranking than those 4. It's a paradigm shift, sure -- MOST rather than TOP. But it's about time!

I know all schools put in much effort to develop loyalty. But my beef is not with any particular school nor with any specific issues IN those schools. As I mentioned, I'm from one of them and what I'm advocating is a paradigm shift. But I think it's time to open our eyes to new horizons if we're to progress further.

Peace!

[mazdamazda]

Hay... paano na kaming mga nag graduate na wala sa Big 4?










As if that matters after you begin working. :evillaugh

[O!lman]

eto:

Jan 2007 Top 3000 World Universities

1 MAPUA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY Flag of us 3 1 6 4
2 STANFORD UNIVERSITY Flag of us 8 2 3 5
3 HARVARD UNIVERSITY Flag of us 4 3 13 1
4 UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY Flag of us 2 4 4 14

Hehehehe.... Malayan na yata ito!

[student_01]

ay sorry, TYPO error,

pero as far as i am concerned UP is first, DLSU is second, ADMU is third and UST being the fourth

actually, wala naman talaga sa school yan, nasa tao parin yun.. shinare ko lang to, mukhang interesting eh..hehe

basta nasa tao pa rin yun

[BoEinG_747]

ay sorry, TYPO error,

pero as far as i am concerned UP is first, DLSU is second, ADMU is third and UST being the fourth

actually, wala naman talaga sa school yan, nasa tao parin yun.. shinare ko lang to, mukhang interesting eh..hehe

basta nasa tao pa rin yun

minsan nag yayari din may factor ang school
lalo na kung ang head ng taga HR department ay pareho ng school ang aplikante

[CVT]

Please do not get me wrong here bros and sis, as I just want to put this survey in the proper perspective.

IMHO:

First, I think the title of the thread is not reflective of what the survey should mean for all of us here.

It is not about what are the better schools in the Philippines.

It is about what the Philippines is, in the world arena. It is about how the rest of the world see our educational system and its products,- ourselves. Notwithstanding all of the biases in the survey,- this shows that the world sees our graduates today as far from being world-class. I am red-faced here, just like yourselves who think that we are.

So, I would like to encourage everyone to stop implying that his or her school is better than some or the rest, here in our country. This action only relegates us to the level of 'lowly politicians' whom most of us scorned oh so cruel in the other threads.

Instead, let's contribute our rightful share in nation building. And hopefully, our better schools will be in the top 10 in the next few decades. It's not impossible. We were at the top of the whole of Asia in the 50s, and the more successful ones today were then reeling at the bottom.

We do not owe it to ourselves. We owe it to our posterity....

God bless us all!

To borrow the late Pres. MLQ's words,- "My loyalty to my school ends, where my loyalty to our country begins"

2001:weathermanf2:

[evs_13]

1 MAPUA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY Flag of us 3 1 6 4
2 STANFORD UNIVERSITY Flag of us 8 2 3 5
3 HARVARD UNIVERSITY Flag of us 4 3 13 1
4 UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY Flag of us 2 4 4 14

Hehehehe.... Malayan na yata ito!

hehehe, MIT nga no 1.....

kala ko talaga MAPUA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, ok lang basta MIT

[empy]

that Webometrics ranking is a joke. first of all, look at their methodology (how the rankings were calculated). the criteria includes number of references to literature their profs produced (?) and number of hits on their website (??!). size is also a factor (wtf?). that explains why Penn State is #5 - which is an average university at best, but huge (the campus is basically a city). of course, the bigger you are, the more profs and students you have, ergo, more hits to websites and more papers produced. but what about quality over quantity?

there is no way in hell U of Florida, UC SD, and Texas A&M should be ranked much higher than Yale and Princeton. are they kidding?? would any of you go to those schools over the Ivy League?

well, maybe if you're a HS football star looking to make the NFL

But my biggest beef is the most basic one. One of the top criteria for ANY ranking is a school's selectivity. In other words, if you only accept geniuses, then you are the best school. My beef with that is three-fold. First, there really are NOT that many geniuses to go around anywhere! So what kind of impact could being exclusive make in practice to the general populace? Leaders? Bah -- there's much more to leadership than intelligence.

Second, in acuality, gifted kids hardly need the resources and facilities those 4 have. Even if you leave those kids with an average but dedicated mentor, gagaling yang mga yan simply because by definition, they have the ability to learn by themselves given the slightest direction. Do they know it? No, but they will.

Third, the basis for a scheme like this is akin to making an already efficient engine even more efficient. Matalino na 'yung studyante mo, dadagdagan mo lang ng KONTING learning, presto -- a top 4 school.

IMHO, the solution to the education of the world is to focus not on being a TOP school but on being a school able to impart the MOST knowledge. Di ba mas magaling na school yung makakapagpatalino maraming below-average na tao kesa doon sa makakadagdag lang ng 5 points sa IQ ng isang genyo?

you have it backwards. top schools can afford to be selective because all the top students want to go to those schools. and there's no way you can attract top talent unless you have the best programs, best teachers, and best job placement networks. that means employers, the educational system, and the world in general considers you the best. yes, it's great to be able to recruit potential, but the top students can get into any school. they'll only attend your school if you're the best.

in regard to your other points, it is quite easy to make a list of "best education for least money" schools. just take a ranking you trust, and apply a weighting based on the average cost to attend. i believe somebody already does those lists as a matter of fact. but keep in mind that kind of comparison is not too good when you're talking about multiple countries.

[mikmik316]

uso na pala ngayon BIG 4 BIG 4 ha.... dati Top 3 schools.... sa mga ads sa dyaryo hinahanap lang "belonging to the top 3 schools" ha.... Nahawa na tayo ng Channel 2....

[oldblue]

ay sorry, TYPO error,

pero as far as i am concerned UP is first, DLSU is second, ADMU is third and UST being the fourth

actually, wala naman talaga sa school yan, nasa tao parin yun.. shinare ko lang to, mukhang interesting eh..hehe

basta nasa tao pa rin yun

oo nga nasa DNA pa din yan.


kung wala sa mga previous gen sa clan nyo ang matalas ang utak, kabahan ka na hehehe

[student_01]

uso na pala ngayon BIG 4 BIG 4 ha.... dati Top 3 schools.... sa mga ads sa dyaryo hinahanap lang "belonging to the top 3 schools" ha.... Nahawa na tayo ng Channel 2....

HINDE sa nagiging masyadong defensive ha, kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng BIG 3 na yan, dahel sa mga review centers, parang masyado nila dinisdicriminate ang UST, eh, kasama parin naman siya sa world rankings

kung mapapansin mo, ang rankings ng ateneo and UST, napakalapit

ateneo is on th 484 place ata
and
UST in 500th so napakalapit lang ung dalawa..


although madali nga ang Entrance exam in UST, but staying in UST is an entirely different matter.. sabe ika nga nila, "we dont accept the best students. we make them'" hehe, sa DLSU naman - the future begins here..

concerning naman dun sa rankings- well hinde naman naten masasabe na accurate yun, so theres still a big possibility na may mali sa pag rarank ng school

[wildthing]

OT...but UP is no longer cheap....ang tuition ko dun 20 years ago parang P9/unit lang (mataas na ang P500 per semester) pero ngayon P1600/unit na raw.

[wildthing]

at pagna-approve pa ulit ang increase, magiging P3000/unit na!

socialize tuituion fee does exist...pero I think less than half lang ng taga UP ang makaka-avail din nito....

[Horsepower]

No, currently, it is 300/unit, if the increase is enforced, it will be 1000/unit na ata or 1200.

Actually, i can't believe that DLSU is ranked higher than Ateneo. I mean come on something must not be right!!! (no offense to lasalle peeps. hehe).



*M54: geez, you're right. That webometrics is stupid. Mas ok ata ang Asiaweek.

[oldblue]

No, currently, it is 300/unit, if the increase is enforced, it will be 1000/unit na ata or 1200.

Actually, i can't believe that DLSU is ranked higher than Ateneo. I mean come on something must not be right!!! (no offense to lasalle peeps. hehe).



*M54: geez, you're right. That webometrics is stupid. Mas ok ata ang Asiaweek.

ouch sakit naman. we are better than Ateneo in that survey, kasi hindi naman kami sobrang talino. marunong kami makisalamuha (tama ba yun term) either kung mayaman o mahirap ang kasama namin sa work.

i've worked with quite a few Ateneans noon pinadala kami sa abroad for training. the problem is medyo may pagka-elitista talaga ang galing sa Ateneo. kahit na nauna batch kami ti-nrain, parang kailangan i-treat na namin kagad na bisor yun 2nd batch na ateneans hehehe.

although we are trained to be elitists ourselves (like in the terms Lasalista, atenista), the social climate in DLSU eh may variety talaga. may mayaman, may rich fil-chinese, may kuripot fil-chinese, may promdi, may mga middle-class families who would sacrifice the sun and the moon, just to get their kids a good education.

it comes with the surrounding environment too. Taft ave. is just like any other Manila University/U-belt location. unlike that area in Katipunan, na para ba Alabang of the North.

a lot of makati companies love to hire us too. kasi nga, we are properly trained with world-standard facilities pero wala yun the usual na may ere (like Ateneo) o feeling so smart (like UP). no offense pero eto naman ang feedback ng mga executives sa top 2.

[Horsepower]

heeey! no offense nga eh. hehe

Anyway, baligtad naman ang experience ko, mas elitist ang mga tga LaSalle compared to Ateneans. I also had several ex-girlfriends from both schools.

Siguro iba lang ang crowds natin. hehe

Ako more on the mixed crowd, Ok kasama mga tga Province, mas marami kasing stories and i get to know their culture. Yung ibang classmates ko naman na old-rich, ok din kasama. Cowboy ika nga. Ok din mga exchange students sa UP esp the hot russians and aussies.

[jasprit]

basta ako alam ko bagsak ako sa entrance exam sa UST hehehe. Alam mo student01 kng nag didiscriminate sila ano pki alam mo wag mo sila pansinin ganun talga buhay eh. naku sinasabi ko syu pag narinig mo mga discrimination'z na natangap ko kng kanikanino ayuhn hindi ko lng pinapansin kaya ngyun khit ano sabihin nila skin ok lng. basta wag lng nila ako murahin iba na un. WAG mo sila pansinin!!!!