Kia Picanto [Merged]

[BlueBimmer]

well it seems sa short term ownership oks na oks ang picanto, i guess only time will tell. i can only imagine gano kadali kumuha ng piyesa nyan hehe

[ET1]

Choosing a Kia is similar to pouring steaming water over your head. Mapapaso ka talaga. You not only risk buying a lemon, you also risk doing business with its unscrupulous distributor Columbia Motors. Please read previous thread to know more about their dirty tactics.

Newsflash: Kia Sportage recalled: read site at www.motortrends.com

If you encounter a problem with Kia, your on your own. Don't expect a heartless uncaring company like Columbia Motors to even cry for you. I was one of their victims and I can never forgive them. I will debate with anyone who would say otherwise.

Talaga?! What happened?

[ET1]

I really need a daily car na it won't burn a hole in my pocket! Ang present car ko ngayon e humihigop ng gas!!!

[BlueBimmer]

getz na!

[mazdamazda]

Mazdamazda,

The right question should be: How did you know that Kia Korea was the one who initiated the price increase? Did the insider show you the pro-forma invoice or T/T remittance slip for the vehicles. Is the insider a co-owner of Columbia Motors. Import price are suppose to be confidential even to employees or executives.

Friend of the OWNER. Satisfied?

I'm sorry to say that your insider is lying and shifting the blame. Columbia can retain the price if it wants to for goodwill to its customer. All I'm saying is " Abisuhan mo naman ang tao."

And they choose not to. Columbia is barely surviving here in the Philippines and absorbing the additional cost of the Picanto would be tantamount to suicide.

Choosing a Kia is similar to pouring steaming water over your head. Mapapaso ka talaga. You not only risk buying a lemon, you also risk doing business with its unscrupulous distributor Columbia Motors. Please read previous thread to know more about their dirty tactics.

Lemon? Where did you get that info from?

Newsflash: Kia Sportage recalled: read site at www.motortrends.com

Even Mercedes-Benz issues recalls. Sheesh... that's old news.

If you encounter a problem with Kia, your on your own. Don't expect a heartless uncaring company like Columbia Motors to even cry for you. I was one of their victims and I can never forgive them. I will debate with anyone who would say otherwise.

Isn't there a warranty to cover problems?

What victim? You are talking about car problems when you don't even have a Picanto.

FYI - Columbia services Mazda vehicles and we are quite satisfied with them.

[carlove]

I can understand why mazdamazda would defend Columbia Motors even with a company as malicious and unethical as them, because get this: FRIEND OF THE OWNER.

1. No I am not satisfied. My question was were you shown the invoice by your friend about their importation costs. Friends can't lie, you're so naive.

2. No they cannot choose not to retain the price because thay already gave me a written price quotation. Read my previous thread. Be honest with yourself mazdamazda, do you think they are justified to increase their price after giving me a firm quote and making me wait. Blind loyalty to your friend or padrino is the reason why this country is not moving forward when you choose to close your eyes to what is right for the sake of " may pinagsamahan."

3.Columbia Motors is barely surviving because they did not build customer goodwill. Since I am in business, I will teach you and Columbia Motors " Business Ethics 101." I will prove to you and your friend why customer goodwill is more important to ensure the survival of a company in the long term.

4. I own a 96 Mazda 323 Familia and 97 Mazda 323 Lantis. These cars are not lemons but became lemons when Columbia was handling them. I had to write to Mazda Japan in 99 because Columbia could not supply me the left signal lamps for my lantis. Satisfied?

If you want to be a friend to Columbia, then be a friend. Just don't expect me or other customers to suck up to them.

Also FYI, Columbia cheated me and I am the customer and was not treated that way.

[alanranch]

pati mga Kia ngayon sineset up na, here is a pic I took from atoys shop.....a kia getting reading to get a facelift...

[mazdamazda]

I can understand why mazdamazda would defend Columbia Motors even with a company as malicious and unethical as them, because get this: FRIEND OF THE OWNER.

am talking about my officemate who is the friend of the owner. heck, he just said that in passing when I inquired about it and was not even defending Columbia (since we are both interested in the Sorento back then).

2. No they cannot choose not to retain the price because thay already gave me a written price quotation...

anyway... here's your lesson in Law 101:

Quotations are given on the basis of immediate acceptance and are subject to withdrawal or revision. Unless otherwise provided in the quotation the Company may, after acceptance, revise quotations or charges upon notice in the event of changes beyond the Company's control, including changes in exchange rates, rates of freight, carrier surcharges, or any charges applicable to the goods.

Quotations as to fees, rates of duty, freight charges, insurance premiums or other charges given by the Company to the Customer are for informational purposes only and are subject to change without notice; no quotation shall be binding upon the Company unless the Company in writing agrees to undertake the handling or transportation of the shipment at a specific rate or amount set forth in the quotation and payment arrangements are agreed to between the Company and the Customer.

so... did you get a Binding Quotation?

3.Columbia Motors is barely surviving because they did not build customer goodwill. Since I am in business, I will teach you and Columbia Motors " Business Ethics 101." I will prove to you and your friend why customer goodwill is more important to ensure the survival of a company in the long term.

See Law 101 above.

If they did not build good cutomer goodwill then so be it... go and tell them.

4. I own a 96 Mazda 323 Familia and 97 Mazda 323 Lantis. These cars are not lemons but became lemons when Columbia was handling them. I had to write to Mazda Japan in 99 because Columbia could not supply me the left signal lamps for my lantis. Satisfied?

Dozens of Protegetech (which am a member) owners are quite satisfied with Columbia.

[carlove]

mazdamazda,

Please start with Law 001 before you lecture me about price quotations. They accepted my downpayment with official receipt and downpayment of many other people. This makes the contract binding and enforceable. Next time you make a downpayment to purchase something and the company rescinds on that deal, you'd know how I feel.

Columbia Motors is a cheat.... go and tell them.

[mazdamazda]

mazdamazda,

Please start with Law 001 before you lecture me about price quotations. They accepted my downpayment with official receipt and downpayment of many other people. This makes the contract binding and enforceable. Next time you make a downpayment to purchase something and the company rescinds on that deal, you'd know how I feel.

Columbia Motors is a cheat.... go and tell them.

Downpayment?

That is a reservation fee... not a downpayment.

Only that here the reservation fee can be deducted / forms part of the downpayment when the actual purchase of the unit pushes through.

[carlove]

Downpayment?

That is a reservation fee... not a downpayment.

Only that here the reservation fee can be deducted / forms part of the downpayment when the actual purchase of the unit pushes through.

If that is your argument, then I rest my case. By the way your mind works is how Columbia Motors uses to its advantage and gets away with it with impunity. Mali na no, kung anu anu pa mga b_llsh_t na katwiran to cover up. Very typical of our country and we should really be taken advantage of by Columbia Motors and not get any consumer protection. Kinuhaan kana ng downpayment ( sori...reservation acc to mazdamazda ), pinahintay ka ng tatlong buwan, para sabihin sa yo na iba na ang presyo ng 50K, dapat Ok pa rin sa atin to.

To sum it up: Hindi matinong kausap.

[mazdamazda]

If that is your argument, then I rest my case. By the way your mind works is how Columbia Motors uses to its advantage and gets away with it with impunity. Mali na no, kung anu anu pa mga b_llsh_t na katwiran to cover up. Very typical of our country and we should really be taken advantage of by Columbia Motors and not get any consumer protection. Kinuhaan kana ng downpayment ( sori...reservation acc to mazdamazda ), pinahintay ka ng tatlong buwan, para sabihin sa yo na iba na ang presyo ng 50K, dapat Ok pa rin sa atin to.

To sum it up: Hindi matinong kausap.

Well that's the law. Try taking your case to the court and they will apply the same argument.

Read the fine print first before engaging in any transaction.

Btw, am not literally defending Columbia - just being the devil's advocate and try to explain the other side of the coin since that is how I perceive it. If you read my previous posts here, I am even dismayed by the quality of their colored bumpers.

[ryan]

If that is your argument, then I rest my case. By the way your mind works is how Columbia Motors uses to its advantage and gets away with it with impunity. Mali na no, kung anu anu pa mga b_llsh_t na katwiran to cover up. Very typical of our country and we should really be taken advantage of by Columbia Motors and not get any consumer protection. Kinuhaan kana ng downpayment ( sori...reservation acc to mazdamazda ), pinahintay ka ng tatlong buwan, para sabihin sa yo na iba na ang presyo ng 50K, dapat Ok pa rin sa atin to.

To sum it up: Hindi matinong kausap.

Sounds like you really like the Picanto. Hmm... you can back out and withdraw your 50k "reservation fee" naman diba? If yes, then I guess ok na lahat and just move on to another make/model nalang.

You really cant blame Columbian 100% cuz they are a business and businesses have to make profit. They were lucky that the Picanto is a hit model but of course, it will depend how they treat their customers which determines how long their luck will last.

Personally, I like Kia's new models more than Hyundai's nowadays but I don't trust their distributor and its not like Columbian Motors management are bad people or something . Sayang.

[carlove]

Well that's the law. Try taking your case to the court and they will apply the same argument.

Read the fine print first before engaging in any transaction.

Btw, am not literally defending Columbia - just being the devil's advocate and try to explain the other side of the coin since that is how I perceive it. If you read my previous posts here, I am even dismayed by the quality of their colored bumpers.

That's the reason why I was only talking about Business Ethics in the first place. I only said that Columbia Motors was unethical for their practice detrimental to customer goodwill and never said that they broke the law ( Oh how I would like to sue them).

There are many unwritten rules in doing business beyond the fine prints of a contract. Can you put " Service with a Smile " in the contract. If that is not against the law, why do companies do it.

Columbia Motor had malicious intent and definitely was not looking to preserve customer goodwill.

[jasonub]

You cant convince me into buying a korean car that has efi/abs/electronics galore. if its the kia pride, ok na rin super tipid and maintenance parts are cheap.

also, madami secreto sa columbian motors and kia korea.

as for not accepting cash, dealers get more income if its financing and there are very few units coming in thus creating a demand supply problem.


If you check out the first few pages of this thread puro praises and anticipation on the launch tapos disaster na after awhile

Know what kia stands for? Kick In the A%$#

[mazdamazda]

That's the reason why I was only talking about Business Ethics in the first place. I only said that Columbia Motors was unethical for their practice detrimental to customer goodwill and never said that they broke the law ( Oh how I would like to sue them).

There are many unwritten rules in doing business beyond the fine prints of a contract. Can you put " Service with a Smile " in the contract. If that is not against the law, why do companies do it.

Columbia Motor had malicious intent and definitely was not looking to preserve customer goodwill.

How about Toyota dealers that are already accepting reservations for the Fortuner (which still doesn't have a definite price).

[Alpha_One]

How about Toyota dealers that are already accepting reservations for the Fortuner (which still doesn't have a definite price).

Your arguments have very good points. In fact, when we were shopping for our first car before, we were supposed to get a Honda Civic hatchback model (yung people's car). Unfortunately, the Honda dealer was asking for a reservation fee for a five month waiting list, and we weren't even guaranteed a certain price. So we got a Daihatsu Charade instead, without any difficulties - from Columbia Motors. Yes. Columbia. Were we ripped off? No! The Charade is arguably the most reliable car we've ever had so far, though the air-con was flaky (well, the A/C unit was a local hackjob after all). After-sales service wasn't amazing, but it was okay and we were never ripped off.

*Hugs his '92 Charade. "Good car, boy. Good car."*

I can see mazdamazda's point very clearly. It's not just Columbia who does these unethical practices. It just so happens that they couldn't get the cars to their MANY customers on time. Whether they were forced to raise the prices due to increased prices from Korea, or they're cheating their customers is debatable. But again, the Honda dealer we had to deal before could have done that to us. We just chose not to continue to deal with them, so I wouldn't be able to tell whether they actually would raise prices on us or not. Of course, whether you want to continue to deal with Columbia on an existing reservation fee for your Kia is entirely up to you. Obviously, you can just stop dealing with them and buy from another dealer, get another car or simply not get a car at all for now.

[carlove]

How about Toyota dealers that are already accepting reservations for the Fortuner (which still doesn't have a definite price).

Is Kia a Toyota? Kapal ng mukha nila. Who needs more to build customer goodwill? Kia hasn't proven itself, ungas na.

Buti na rin na mention mo. Toyota is doing the right thing. They do not give a definite price because ayaw nilang mapagsabihan when they are unsure and customers know it. Nasa sa iyo na yan kung gusto mo mag reserve. Kia gave me a firm price quote. Kung naging straight nalang ang Columbia and said na we can't give the price right now since baka magbago. I wouldn't complain.

What Columbia did was kumuha ng kumuha ng down or reserv. or whatchamacalit and blasted the price up nung sure na sila na maraming may gusto. May tawag diyan: Oportunist

[philander]

*Alpha One

still not a good excuse....

[Alpha_One]

*Alpha One

still not a good excuse....

All I was saying is that I can see some good points in mazdamazda's arguments. I never said Columbia was making perfect excuses to bump prices up by 50k.