2017 Honda CR-V Turbo and 7seats

[mda]

So for those who have seen it, i.e. Sir Niky,

For the raw space, PPV parin? hehe

[niky]

So for those who have seen it, i.e. Sir Niky,

For the raw space, PPV parin? hehe

Kung MU-X, yes. Basta MU-X. Hahahaha!

Mechanically, what's the difference between the 120 and 160 hp versions of the 1.6 iDTEC?

If I did my homework right, the 1.6 diesel really started out its life as a 120 hp mill. Sometime in 2015 or 2016, Honda upped the power to 160 hp since they discontinued the 2.2.

Did they change the turbo or is it a matter of more aggressive ECU settings? If it's the latter, then a chip upgrade should give the 120 hp diesel a healthy boost, yeah?

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I think you could tune it for another 15-20 hp, but the tiny turbo will be a choke point.

From online pictures, on the 160 ps variant, the turbine and the plumbing are different.

[Junichiro]

Sir Niky, about the 3rd row space and comfort, which among the existing PPV's and crossovers with 3rd row (X-Trail, Sta Fe, etc) does it resemble the most?

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[niky]

Sir Niky, about the 3rd row space and comfort, which among the existing PPV's and crossovers with 3rd row (X-Trail, Sta Fe, etc) does it resemble the most?

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Better than X-Trail, not as good as Santa Fe.

Ibang class ang Santa Fe. We managed to squeeze three side by side in the third row on a drive, once. The CR-V and X-Trail are narrower cars.

[StockEngine]

Better than X-Trail, not as good as Santa Fe.

Ibang class ang Santa Fe. We managed to squeeze three side by side in the third row on a drive, once. The CR-V and X-Trail are narrower cars.

kasya tatlong niky sa 2nd row?

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[niky]

kasya tatlong niky sa 2nd row?

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Mga 2.5.

[kagalingan]

Kung mauumpog din yung ulo sa 3rd row eh magmobilio na lang 800thou lang.....

[minicarph]

Mga 2.5.

ayan naman pala eh kasya naman pala kayo eh

[StockEngine]

i like the "v"

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[tagalnasaabroad]

The new CRV makes it more exciting and widen the playing fields to choose among available brands & models for potential car buyers nowadays..

One question: how does it compare with a less popular, yet globally known brand VW GOLF GTS albeit different class but with many similarities in latest technology and diesel engine offerings..?

TOTL for Golf GTS costs p1.4M vs TOTL CRV P2.0+M..difference of more than half a million pesos because CRV is AWD? and of course it sits 2.5 average pinoys on the 3rd row as Sir Niky observes..

I wonder why..

[leonleon]

Did I read correctly?

This new CRV has a turning radius of 5.9m?

Talo siya sa montero, 5.6m, & sa sta. fe, 5.45m.

Despite the CRV being shorter in length?

Mahirapan mag-u-turn si misis niyan.

[leonleon]

Just how roomy is the new Honda CR-V's third row?

http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/f...tag?ref=feed_1

Just how roomy is the new Honda CR-V's third row?

[Trippin]

The new CRV makes it more exciting and widen the playing fields to choose among available brands & models for potential car buyers nowadays..

One question: how does it compare with a less popular, yet globally known brand VW GOLF GTS albeit different class but with many similarities in latest technology and diesel engine offerings..?

TOTL for Golf GTS costs p1.4M vs TOTL CRV P2.0+M..difference of more than half a million pesos because CRV is AWD? and of course it sits 2.5 average pinoys on the 3rd row as Sir Niky observes..

I wonder why..

I am likely getting a new car this year (because of the coming pesky excise tax increase) so I'm looking into this CRV and other options (PPVs, Tucson/Santa Fe for diesel CUVs). As of now I'm still leaning towards the Golf GTS because of the price:features ratio and cargo capacity. The PMS costs don't look too high as well for the Golf GTS.

Though I probably need the ride height due to occasional Metro flooding, I would like myself the driving dynamics of a sedan as I'm used to it. Also I am having second thoughts on the city maneuverability of the top PPVs (again, coming from a sedan), although I don't think it's much of a concern with the CRV.

The CRV S variant would have probably won the cake for me if not for the weak engine (relative to my driving style) given its size.

[jut703]

As it was, the outgoing CRV was selling pretty well despite offering nothing except the Honda badge. Now, they updated the 2.0S with all the tech from the Civic in a nice new package. That alone will steal thunder from the CUV frontrunners, the Forester and Tucson.

However, the 2.0S in this case isn't really the CRV's bread and butter variant. It's just there to remind people that the CR-V, even its entry-level gas model, is already ahead of the mid-trim CUV pack. As the sales figures show though, the market for CUVs is small and dwindling further. In fact, the 2.0S is in the equation simply as a price anchor.

Honda isn't out to kill PPVs. Just a niche - that of city-dwelling would-be PPV buyers who are buying PPVs because they're diesel, spacious, and have high ride heights, but have reservations with the ride comfort of PPVs and have no pressing need for 7 seats or rugged underpinnings. It sounds like a very specific niche, but that niche could be bigger than the entire gas-fed CUV-buying demographic altogether, given the huge disparity between CUV and PPV sales.

For just 30k more than the gas CRV, you get a diesel 1.6V CRV. Yes you lose out a bit on features, but you gain 2 extra seats and
lots of savings in terms of fuel costs. At 15,000 km annual mileage, you save about 40k per year in fuel between the gas and diesel variants.

For those who are more discerning and with more cash to burn (this is a big market considering the success of thr Fort V vs the G despite costing 300k more), there's the 1.6S. It comes with all the bells and whistles that the majority of people care about - fancy head unit, fancy lights, big rims, push button ignition.

The 1.6SX serves the exact purpose as the iPhone 7 128GB - an over the top variant that's really just meant to convince people that the mid-range (1.6S and iPhone 7 64GB) isn't too impractical - it's basic human psychology to go for the middle

This isn't a PPV killer, just a more practical alternative (with tremendous brand equity) compared to all other CUVs. For the niche I mentioned above, the argument isn't, "For the price of a CR-V, I'll just get a Fortuner/Montero/Everest because it's more macho/more rugged/more spacious/whatever reason".

Rather, the argument is, "For the price of a PPV, I'll just get a CR-V because it's just as frugal but is more comfortable."

Honda's product positioning for the CR-V is very textbook Marketing 101.

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[Wh1stl3r]

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Spot on jut. I'd just add that a lot of people I know have wanted to separate themselves from everyone who drives one of the handful PPV models we see on the road every day. They want to get a CUV but are put off by the gas models' FC. This gives them that diesel option while staying in the same price range.

[niky]

As it was, the outgoing CRV was selling pretty well despite offering nothing except the Honda badge. Now, they updated the 2.0S with all the tech from the Civic in a nice new package. That alone will steal thunder from the CUV frontrunners, the Forester and Tucson.

However, the 2.0S in this case isn't really the CRV's bread and butter variant. It's just there to remind people that the CR-V, even its entry-level gas model, is already ahead of the mid-trim CUV pack. As the sales figures show though, the market for CUVs is small and dwindling further. In fact, the 2.0S is in the equation simply as a price anchor.

Honda isn't out to kill PPVs. Just a niche - that of city-dwelling would-be PPV buyers who are buying PPVs because they're diesel, spacious, and have high ride heights, but have reservations with the ride comfort of PPVs and have no pressing need for 7 seats or rugged underpinnings. It sounds like a very specific niche, but that niche could be bigger than the entire gas-fed CUV-buying demographic altogether, given the huge disparity between CUV and PPV sales.

For just 30k more than the gas CRV, you get a diesel 1.6V CRV. Yes you lose out a bit on features, but you gain 2 extra seats and
lots of savings in terms of fuel costs. At 15,000 km annual mileage, you save about 40k per year in fuel between the gas and diesel variants.

For those who are more discerning and with more cash to burn (this is a big market considering the success of thr Fort V vs the G despite costing 300k more), there's the 1.6S. It comes with all the bells and whistles that the majority of people care about - fancy head unit, fancy lights, big rims, push button ignition.

The 1.6SX serves the exact purpose as the iPhone 7 128GB - an over the top variant that's really just meant to convince people that the mid-range (1.6S and iPhone 7 64GB) isn't too impractical - it's basic human psychology to go for the middle

This isn't a PPV killer, just a more practical alternative (with tremendous brand equity) compared to all other CUVs. For the niche I mentioned above, the argument isn't, "For the price of a CR-V, I'll just get a Fortuner/Montero/Everest because it's more macho/more rugged/more spacious/whatever reason".

Rather, the argument is, "For the price of a PPV, I'll just get a CR-V because it's just as frugal but is more comfortable."

Honda's product positioning for the CR-V is very textbook Marketing 101.

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Exactly.

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To add, Hondas are more aspirational products. There's no profit for them in including stripped out, spartan sub-1.4m models. Nobody will buy them.

Everybody upspecs their Honda purchase.

The Mobilio TOTL sells better than the base.

The BR-V TOTL (surprisingly) sells better than the base.

Honda customers are willing to pay more.

Maybe not 2m more, but they will certainly be buying more "S" Diesels than "V" Diesels.

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Failure for Honda will mean the CR-V will still sell at twice its current rate.

Success should mean reclaiming the CUV sales throne (full-sized, that is... no way will it sell in EcoSport or Fortuner numbers).

[kagalingan]

To add, Hondas are more aspirational products. There's no profit for them in including stripped out, spartan sub-1.4m models. Nobody will buy them.

Everybody upspecs their Honda purchase.

The Mobilio TOTL sells better than the base.

The BR-V TOTL (surprisingly) sells better than the base.

Honda customers are willing to pay more.

niks for a pseduo 7seater at around 1million eh carry ng madlang pinoy..... tumatak sa isip yung pagka 7seater kaya najustify.

Maybe not 2m more, but they will certainly be buying more "S" Diesels than "V" Diesels.

But sa s variant at 1.7million duda ako..... eh katapat lang sa quezon ave pag nakita yung nakadisplay fj cruiser at around 1.8milyones eh saan ka pa mas "mukhang mayaman" tingnan ito..

Explain nyo nga bakit bumenta fj kahit hind hitech amenties.....

[JJB]

niks for a pseduo 7seater at around 1million eh carry ng madlang pinoy..... tumatak sa isip yung pagka 7seater kaya najustify.






But sa s variant at 1.7million duda ako..... eh katapat lang sa quezon ave pag nakita yung nakadisplay fj cruiser at around 1.8milyones eh saan ka pa mas "mukhang mayaman" tingnan ito..

Explain nyo nga bakit bumenta fj kahit hind hitech amenties.....

Hindi bumenta ang FJ worldwide kaya stop production na sya since 2016. Inuubos na lang ang stocks ng FJ at binebenta dito ng mura para lang maubos. Ang mga bumili ng FJ ay ginawang "toy" nila pangporma lang at sila rin nagsasabi na pangit ang interior at malakas sa gas.
Kaya please tigilan mo na ang pag-hype sa FJ.

Back to topic- saan gawa ang CRV? thailand or japan CBU?

[minicarph]

Back to topic- saan gawa ang CRV? thailand or japan CBU?

sa India. alam ko medyo natigilan kayo no, maybe nababahuan pa kayo bigla. pero yun na mga Made in India sya

[kagalingan]

Hindi bumenta ang FJ worldwide kaya stop production na sya since 2016. Inuubos na lang ang stocks ng FJ at binebenta dito ng mura para lang maubos. Ang mga bumili ng FJ ay ginawang "toy" nila pangporma lang at sila rin nagsasabi na pangit ang interior at malakas sa gas.
Kaya please tigilan mo na ang pag-hype sa FJ.

Hindi matakaw ang fj....

Its the right consumption for its engine.

Ano ba inaashan mag 15 kilometers per liter.

Ang matakaw yan mga 2.0 above gas crossover...