Is this a new LTO - MMDA modus operandi?

[innoBOB[09JmtG]]

I think totoo yan, I've read it here na sa tsikot a couple of years ago...

kaya kung mahuhuli kayo ng MMDA, yun deposit slip niyo ng binayaran sa MEtrobank i-staple niyo sa OR&CR niyo para pag renewal na you have the receipt pag sinabi na hinde ka pa nagbabayad

patay akong bata.. nawawala ung deposit slip ko sa metro.. wahah.. hehe.. in case pwede kaya kunin copy ng metrobank tapos i xerox ko, for safety?

[n5110]

mas maganda abalahin mo na ang banko habang maaga kesa sa abala sa lto, iinit talaga ulo mo dyan lalo na kung hinde na i remit.

[Mile2]

Actually you can contest any "supposedly apprehension fines", matagal ng ibinasura ng korte ang ang "no contact apprehension" so kung walang ticket na may prima ng driver wala silang karapatang maningil.

[graphire]

Actually you can contest any "supposedly apprehension fines", matagal ng ibinasura ng korte ang ang "no contact apprehension" so kung walang ticket na may prima ng driver wala silang karapatang maningil.

Bro according to MMDA, iba daw yung pinatutupad nilang policy na "non-contact traffic apprehension" dun sa "no physical contact policy".. ang gulo no. Eto quote:

"Emmanuel de Castro, the authority’s legal service chief, in a statement said that the No Physical Contact Policy is different from the non-contact traffic apprehension policy that the MMDA enforced about three years ago."

Source: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...90427met2.html

Anyway.. update ko na rin tong thread regarding dun sa kaso ko.

I went to MMDA Guadalupe this morning. Grabe dami ng tao at ang tagal ng processing. You will have to bear waiting in a cramped and uncomfortable room. Ang nakakatuwa pa dito e... before you proceed with verification and processing you will have to pay first... YES. Before you prove yourself guilty or not guilty e kakaltasan ka agad ng CLEARANCE FEE. P30 lang naman pero pera pa rin yun. After that you will have to wait another hour or so para naman i-process yung paper mo for verification. Nung ipa-process na yung sa kin, sabi mga 1:30pm ko na daw balikan (11PM pa lang nun). Sabi ko babalikan ko na lang bukas and I can't afford to waste more time waiting in their office and I'll just go back to work. So tomorrow update ko na lng ulit kayo.

And also, ang dami kong kasabay na halos ganun din ang istorya. They are renewing their license tapos binulaga sila ng kaso nila sa MMDA which they swear never occured. Grabe no.. sa abala pa lang e talo ka na.. tapos magbabayad ka pa. So kung sa inyo mangyari to.. be ready to waste at least one whole day getting your clearance from MMDA.

[graphire]

Finally my license renewal dilemma is over.

I went to MMDA this morning to finish my clearance. I was able to get the violation inquiry report. Violation na nakalagay dun sa printed report from LTO is 226-unclassified... then ang nakalagay dun sa MMDA violation report is "disregarding traffic sign". Violation fee is P150 only. So binayaran ko na lang. Magrereklamo pa ba ko e sobra sobra nang oras ang naabala sa kin. After paying, I waited for an hour or so.. ayun na release din clearance at na lift na yung flag sa main database daw.

There are a few anomalies na naobserbahan ko.

1. The date of appehension from printout na binigay ng LTO is different from the date na na-generate ng MMDA. Meaning, it's either me bug ang system nila o ala-tsamba lang ang recording sa list nila. So kahit na siguro you kept all the receipts ng apprehension mo, kung ang lalabas na date sa report e iba... how are you going to argue with that?

2. Walang nakalagay na plate number sa violation inquiry report ng MMDA. Ang nakalagay lang dun is yung license number mo, name, violation at violation fine.

3. Wala na daw violation ticket at lahat e naka-encode sa database. So wala silang maipapakita sa yong violation ticket na na-apprehend ka nga on a given date na inacknowledge at pinirmahan mo. Nothing.

So yun lang po mai-se-share ko sa inyo.. sana e di mangyari sa inyo yung abalang ito. Buti na lang at maliit lang binayaran ko. Pero kung malaki ang babayaran ko sa MMDA e baka magreklamo din ako. Pero talagang hassle pa rin tong sistema na to at sa dami ng mga lalabas na bogus apprehension.. kahit na tig-150 lang yan e malaking pera ang mage-generate nito.. para kanino kaya? hmmm.

[cocoy]

based on what you went through.. if you took the case to court then wala talaga silang case against you. di ba? one more info i got to day from a friend who is close to an LTO officer is that the MO of MMDA or sinung sinu ang ng huhuli is that, if a high ranking official is caught with a violation, be it people who are conected to high ranking officials.. what the aprehending officer would do is jst change the plate number of the car and just substitute it for ramdom number. and if you are lucky enough to be that substitute number patay ka.. kasi kaw ang ma abala and mag bayad..

case in point a jeep was caught in Zambales.. the owner has nver been to Zambales. he is from Mendenz in cavite and only drives his jeep to tagaytay at the most furthest place, sabi pa ng owner i dnt think my jeep can make it to Zambales its old na daw..
pero wala cya magawa he had to pay P3000 sa violation that he didnt comit para lang ma register ang jeep nya ulit..

im calling out to all tsikot members. who ever has the means to get this issue out on the public eye should do so.. we need to get this awareness out.. im pretty sure a lot of people would come out and show support. because im sure the everyday driver ai walang pang laban sa ganitong kalokohan ng MMDA at LTO and other aprenhending agencies..

[redeemed]

nakakapanginig ng laman ah! so confirm na talaga na may nangyayaring kalokohan.. tnx graph for sharing! i'll email this link to Imbestigador siguro. Di ko na antayin sa akin mangyari to.

gaya ng invitation ni sir cocoy, to all tsikot members.. post lang kayo dito.. also report nyo na rin sa media.

[redeemed]

guys... na-email ko na imbestigador.. ito yung email address na binigay ng gmanetwork: imb_sumbunganngbayan*gmanetwork.com

to all tsikot members & guests... post lang po kayo dito ng experience nyo re this matter. salamat!

[james00112233]

guys... na-email ko na imbestigador.. ito yung email address na binigay ng gmanetwork: imb_sumbunganngbayan*gmanetwork.com

to all tsikot members & guests... post lang po kayo dito ng experience nyo re this matter. salamat!

salamat at na-email mo na
sana maaksyonan nila agad itong kababalaghan na nangyayari sa LTO - MMDA. Mukhang marami na nga ang napeperwisyo nitong gawain nila.

[leonleon]

salamat at na-email mo na
sana maaksyonan nila agad itong kababalaghan na nangyayari sa LTO - MMDA. Mukhang marami na nga ang napeperwisyo nitong gawain nila.

Yes, I think it's time we ALL do something about this but not as individuals, but as a group, or a collective body. We will have a better voice that way.

That's why I suggested to the TS, and to anyone who has been victimized this way, to keep copies of the documents that came from the LTO and from the MMDA itself.

If there are other suggestions too, voice it out on this thread so that we at least will know what to do if we become victims ourselves.

[leonleon]

case in point a jeep was caught in Zambales.. the owner has nver been to Zambales. he is from Mendenz in cavite and only drives his jeep to tagaytay at the most furthest place, sabi pa ng owner i dnt think my jeep can make it to Zambales its old na daw..
pero wala cya magawa he had to pay P3000 sa violation that he didnt comit para lang ma register ang jeep nya ulit..

Abot ba ng Zambales ang authority ng MMDA? Parang Metro Manila lang ang sakop nila di ba?

So I think this is a different apprehending agency if the violation occurred out there? Can you name specifically which agency?

[cocoy]

i wasnt only talking about MMDA. sori if it sounded like that.. what i meant to say is that an owner of a jeepney.. living in the tagaytay area,, swears he never drove his jeep to Zambales, but when he needed to get the jeep registered it had a pending violation in Zambales. the owner contends that his jeep would have never made it to Zambales in the first place.

this story is from my suki for registering my van in tagaytay. the jeepney owner was also thier customer.. the husband of this person is an LTO official.. unfortunately this happend to their motorbike.. this family lives somewhere in tagaytay.. what happened was they became a victim of the ramdom plate number being chosen by corupt apprenhending officers to write down on the ticket.

the motorbike was apparently na huli sa batangas. the husband was the person using the motorbike in tagaytay.. and it has never been to lipa batangas..

what im trying to say is even if your car is not caught, you just might be a lucky person with your plate number written on the violation ticket, in place of the high ranking official or people with conections to higher officials. as we all know quota system ang pag pang huli ng mga MMDA, chocolate boys and the yellow boys di ba?

so just to make their quotas they jst write ramdom numbers on the violation tickets..
i dnt know how true this would be. but why then would you be aprehended at a place you have never been too..

case in point who was that person that was caught for coding violation on a friday when hes car is coding on monday?

[greymatter]

System error ito hindi kotong. Note na nasa central database ang records nyo at pag nagbayad kayo, ireremit rin nila to sa main office ng LTO. Pwede nyo naman icontest ang records, and most probably wrong programming.

Ang problema lang talaga is yung abala, pero kailangan tanggapin na walang software ng bug free.

Jeez, mission-critical ang software nila, dapat hindi dinedeploy ng walang intensive tests to fix major bugs. Kung sa ibang bansa yan, dinumog na sila ng mga demanda. Sa atin lang kasi hindi gumagana ng maayos ang court system lalo na kalaban mo gobyerno.

Yes, I think it's time we ALL do something about this but not as individuals, but as a group, or a collective body. We will have a better voice that way.

That's why I suggested to the TS, and to anyone who has been victimized this way, to keep copies of the documents that came from the LTO and from the MMDA itself.

I agree.

To the suggestion na i-report sa ombudsman or civil service commission, don't waste your time. I've seen valid, clear-as-day complaints reported to these offices going nowhere. Talamak ang CSC, isang complaint nagtatagal ng 2-3 years bago ka nila i-inform na wala pa silang nagagawa.

BTW, pinick-up kaya ng imbestigador ang issue?

[MaxAJ]

I say email GMA or imbestigador about this. So will the direct victim pls report it to them(imbestigador/GMA)

[Injection_Pump]

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[badsekktor]

i dont think that it is a bug in the software.... its more of encoding errors..... or intentionally encoding errors in the system.... yan ang usually sakit ng mga systems.... lalo na kung may kabalbalan yun nag-eencode..... hay naku magrerenew na ko next year... sana naman di ko maexperience yan. so far so good, never been apprehended since i renewed my license...

[leonleon]

[quote=badsekktor;1368616]i dont think that it is a bug in the software.... its more of encoding errors..... or intentionally encoding errors in the system.... yan ang usually sakit ng mga systems.... lalo na kung may kabalbalan yun nag-eencode..... [quote]

If that's the case, PAKTAY tayo lahat sa COMPUTERIZED 2010 elections. .

This early, I predict a LANDSLIDE win by the administration presidential and vice-presidential bet. Despite all the odds.

Ako rin due na for renewal ng license next year and I can only PRAY to the LORD above na walang kababalaghan na maganap.

[happy123]

WTF, same here I have an apprehension upon renewing... and the violation date is jan 10, 2009? last year pa yan ah... i always have a ticket on violations... so hassle... i'm already absent for 2 days at work.. i hope this not a modus operandi... kung system failure man dpat ayusin nila.. hndi pwede ang system failure or bug sa government system!! pano uunlad pinas... pano kung ang system na ito is for criminal records, edi nag ka criminal case na din ako!!
napaka simple lng ng bug na ito kung system error, napunta yung apprehension records sa records ng user ID ko??? parang hirap paniwalaan sa system na mag transfer ng records sa maling user ID.. unless intended by users...
sana mag improve na pinas, ok lng mag corrupt pero wag sobra... tignan nyo ibang bansa like SG, wla nman sila masyado resource like PH pero asenso sila, kasi discipline mga tao & honest... kung ganun parin tayo hanggang ngyn 10 years from now we will still be in the same odd..

[rfm010]

i've just run into this problem myself. went to renew my drivers license and was told i have a coding violation from july 2009. problem was the day of violation was tuesday and my car is coded for monday. my first question was how did mmda get my name and drivers license number if they weren't colluding with lto? then i remembered i had an accident with a motorcycle on a tuesday. it was the cyclist's fault, the mmda person actually had the cyclist pay me for my broken side mirror, and they weren't happy with the guy because he started out kind of arrogant. so because he reimbursed me he didn't get a ticket, and i didn't get a ticket because i was considered not at fault. so the only explanation i have is that:

the mmda had my name and license number because they took it at the start of the accident investigation, as they should;

the mmda fellow needed to make some quota and having my information it was easy to make out a ticket against me.

so tomorrow i'm off to guadalupe...