Expressway Goons

[XTO]

100 kph or even to 120 kph is considered but beyond that eh napaka delikado.
Mabuti kung kayo lang mag-isa maaksidente eh hindi eh maraming madadamay.
If majority runs at 100 kph max and you took it at 140-170 kph. Ilang minuto ang
natipid mo pagdating sa dulo? Hindi naman siguro kalahating araw?
Tapos hindi lang buhay mo itinaya mo kundi pati sakay at ibang
motorista na nakasabay mo.

[niwde11]

It's called a passing lane and not maximum speed lane for a reason.

well, thank you walter for getting my point. i dont see any reason why should i stay in the leftmost lane when i am at max speed when my right lane is very empty.

[niwde11]

What's surprising is that the outer lanes (since there are four of them) are not utilized properly by slower moving vehicles. In some cases, the outermost lane is empty save for one or two vehicles doing the minimum speed.

Magtataka ka pa m2 e dami nga gusto leftmost lane sila. kaya nga ako i just cruise to the max at the rightmost then pass on the left lane once in a while.

[4JGtootsie]

Retracted!!

[XTO]

If we follow the regulation which is 100 kph topspeed limit we have the right
to use the passing lane and no one would need to pass on but those running
at below 100 should strictly stay away from that lane! Ang nangyayari is
racing, kaya kahit above max speed limit ka na you still have to give way to
those would be user of the passing lane. What if you’re at 140kph and
someone tails and flashes you? Tatabi ka rin ba? siguro kung malaki

[mazdamazda]

100 kph or even to 120 kph is considered but beyond that eh napaka delikado.
Mabuti kung kayo lang mag-isa maaksidente eh hindi eh maraming madadamay.
If majority runs at 100 kph max and you took it at 140-170 kph. Ilang minuto ang
natipid mo pagdating sa dulo? Hindi naman siguro kalahating araw?
Tapos hindi lang buhay mo itinaya mo kundi pati sakay at ibang
motorista na nakasabay mo.

IMO

We are talking here about passing lane huggers not the speed limit... plus a "safe" speed (if the legal speed limit is not considered) is very subjective depending on the road condition & vehicle being used. Consider this example: a BMW 5-series would have been more safe traveling at 200kph in the NLEX rather than a passenger jeepney doing 120kph at the SLEX.

Rather than solely focus on speed limit - the more important aspect of motoring IMO is road courtesy & proper lane segregation.

Heck, most of the highway accidents that occur here happen at speeds well within the legal limit. The most common accident is caused by a truck/bus tailgaiting a slower vehicle in front of them.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have sped (I do all the time), I'm saying that calling him an a-hole for doing the same as you (at a lesser speed, according to you) is more than a little hypocritical.

I don't know you so you may be a great guy, but for this particular incident you could have taken the higher road.

You guys are missing the point. The problem here is some motorists DO NOT yield to a faster moving vehicle even if the slower (right) lane is empty.

If you do not drive regularly along the NLEX / SLEX / Star Tollway here you might not understand HP's concern.

[OTEP]

exactly. kung ang speed limit ay 100kph tapos lahat kayo ay 100kph, baket ka pa mag-oovertake?

I have not yet read the whole thread but the explanation for this is pretty simple. There are some vehicles that even when running at the speed limit can pose some danger to vehicles behind them. Vehicles like dump trucks whose tires can kick up rocks or who are carrying gravel which can damage vehicles driving behind it even at what we consider to be a safe distance. You don't exactly have to ramp it up to 180kph to overtake them, just pull into a passing lane, do a brief 120kph and vacate the passing lane as soon as the passing maneuver is completed. Then resume driving at legal speeds.

For me, the slower vehicle should always yield to the faster vehicle. And I'm not saying this because I drive a mega-horsepower sportscar, I'm saying this because I drive pretty slow vehicles. Some cars I drive already require a prayer just to reach 100kph. I've gotten pretty used to yielding the right of way to Kia Prides and Daihatsu Charades.

What if you’re at 140kph and
someone tails and flashes you? Tatabi ka rin ba?

Yep. I was doing around 120kph when a sportscar flashed me. After I overtook the 18 wheeler I dove back into the slower lanes and let the faster vehicle pass. Wala naman kaso iyon. Size doesn't really matter, I was in a bigger vehicle at the time.

[mbeige]

OT: Ang tulin pala ng Sante Fe. kung may makipag karera sa iyong 1.6 petrol lalabanan mo ba?

Please don't add fuel to the fire. HP has clearly stated multiple times he's not racing anybody.

OTEP, you got my point. There are times when you need to pass and exceed the speed limit. And if you are doing it for safety reasons (like mentioned) then that is allowed.

When driving, #1 rule is safety for oneself and for everybody sharing the road. If one driver doesn't yield to a faster car, and hugs the passing lane at a slow speed, then he is endangering everybody by not acknowledging his position on the road.

Xto: If I am doing 140 in the passing lane, and somebody behind flashes, I'll move aside. He has more capability to pass me than me staying on the lane and blocking him. Courtesy and acknowledgement lang of your and his position on the road. This of course assumes that it is safe to do so. As I said, safety is first priority.

[niwde11]

Yep. I was doing around 120kph when a sportscar flashed me. After I overtook the 18 wheeler I dove back into the slower lanes and let the faster vehicle pass. Wala naman kaso iyon. Size doesn't really matter, I was in a bigger vehicle at the time.

well otep, marami satin ang napakalaking issue sa kanila to give way properly to a faster vehicle.

[OTEP]

Natamaan na kasi ako ng bato ng from a dumptruck dati. For some drivers, the sensation can be enough to startle them and cause a momentary loss of vehicle control [which is obviously more unsafe than just driving briefly over the limit].

Also had an incident of a spare tire falling off a truck. So as much as possible, I prefer to stay in front of them them rather than behind.

If I am doing 140 in the passing lane, and somebody behind flashes, I'll move aside. He has more capability to pass me than me staying on the lane and blocking him. Courtesy and acknowledgement lang of your and his position on the road. This of course assumes that it is safe to do so. As I said, safety is first priority.

Agree, if you cannot move aside immediately [you are still passing another vehicle], the least you can do is acknowledge that you have seen the intention of the vehicle behind to overtake by flashing your right hand signal lamp to show that you have the intention of vacating the passing lane at the soonest possible time.

[XTO]

Well, since I opt to strictly follow the max speed limit. It’s up to you guys.
Walang kaso yun. I’m just an observer whenever i use these expressways.
Masarap manood. Marami na kasi ko nakitang VA and it doesn’t matter
kung slow speed ang naganap na VA. What would be worst? Hi speed or
slower speed collision?

hmmm... peace

[HyBrideVo]

I don't need to be flashed.. if im on the left lane and i see somebody behind me and tailing i'd use my common sense and pull to the next lane (right lane) and let them pass me. Plain, Simple and STRESS FREE!

Cockiness on the road = :thumbdown:

[danesjr]

I don't need to be flashed.. if im on the left lane and i see somebody behind me and tailing i'd use my common sense and pull to the next lane (right lane) and let them pass me. Plain, Simple and STRESS FREE!

Cockiness on the road = :thumbdown:

yep, this is what i do. as soon as i see the vehicle(not just sport cars) getting bigger and bigger on my rear view mirror, i signal right and change lane as soon as possible. then stay there until i need to overtake a vehicle.

it's a passing lane, you do not have to police everybody and enforce speed limits. if someone is faster than you, just yield.

[falken]

I don't need to be flashed.. if im on the left lane and i see somebody behind me and tailing i'd use my common sense and pull to the next lane (right lane) and let them pass me. Plain, Simple and STRESS FREE!

Cockiness on the road = :thumbdown:

+1, that's the right way to drive.

[Jun aka Pekto]

For me, the slower vehicle should always yield to the faster vehicle.

Bingo. It doesn't matter if the vehicle that's blocking the fast lane is doing the legal speed limit. The slower vehicle should yield and move to the slow lane as soon as it's safe to do so.

Let the cops deal with the speeder.*

If the slower vehicle chooses to hog the fast (left) lane because say for example, a left turn exit is coming up, then the faster car has every right to pass from the slow (right) lane.

That's the procedure here whenever we approach our left turn.

*I'm not exactly a saint either. Me and a Suburban driver conspired to keep an Altima SE-R with a dickhead driver from passing us. We simply blocked both lanes until the stoplight came up. I guess both me and the Suburban driver didn't like being tailgated which the Altima driver was doing earlier.

[4JGtootsie]

Mbeige,

Retracted my question to HP. Thank you for reminding. Apologies to HP.

[mazdamazda]

Here's a pix that we took yesterday...



We were doing just above 80kph and I am about to overtake those left lane huggers using the "slow lane". If you noticed, the "slow lanes" ahead of me is empty while a lot of vehicles (not in the pix) are crowding the fast lanes.

[Hanren]

One time at NLEX, I had to be behind an 18 wheeler in the the left lane which at that time was running at about 80 kph. This truck was also trying to overtake a lot of smaller and slower trucks in the middle lane that's why it has to stay on the left lane for quite sometime.

The fast moving cars behind me are signalling me to move over but I can't cause almost all slow moving trucks are in the middle lane (shouldnt they stay in the outermost lane?). If I were to move to the right to give way, then I will be virtally stucked in between the slow moving trucks. Maiipit ako. The spacing between those smaller and slower trucks is very small that I don't have any space to manuever on.

I still felt bad not being able to give way. But this incident was just an exception and during that entire trip, I made sure I constantly gave way to fast vehicles.

But I don't know about the truck. Nagmamadali ata at the expense of everyone on the road.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Here's a pix that we took yesterday...



We were doing just above 80kph and I am about to overtake those left lane huggers using the "slow lane". If you noticed, the "slow lanes" ahead of me is empty while a lot of vehicles (not in the pix) are crowding the fast lanes.

Gee. I'd be passing them from the slow lanes too if they're not willing to give up the fast lanes. Here, the same rules apply. But, no one bats an eyelash if people pass from the slow lanes, especially on an 8-lane highway like that. People will pass from whatever lane seems to be moving fastest.

It's more of a big deal if there are only 4 lanes total on a freeway. But, people in the fast lane normally give the vehicles in front of them enough time to pass the slower traffic on the right.

Add: Just wondering if there's a freeway entrance, freeway exit, merging traffic, or diverging flow coming up ahead. Those areas tend to have the most congestion and people familiar with the route will often shift to the leftmost lanes to avoid them even if it's still a distance away, at least here.

[Jun aka Pekto]

I still felt bad not being able to give way. But this incident was just an exception and during that entire trip, I made sure I constantly gave way to fast vehicles.

But I don't know about the truck. Nagmamadali ata at the expense of everyone on the road.

No need to apologize. You have every right to pass the slower traffic on the right at the speed you deem safe enough for you. If there's no room to pull back into the slow lane safely, then tough noogies on the cars behind you. They need to understand what the situation is. They'll just have to wait until you have the room.