Expressway Goons

[redorange]

Minsan lang ako mag NLEX or SLEX but I noticed na siguro mga frequent user
na sila like kabisado na nila yung road condition esp sa SLEX - talagang sa
shoulder na overtaking maneuvers kala ko baligtad na eh. Nakaka-tempt
tuloy pero takot ako wala ka laban pag biglang nag-swerve yung nasa loob.

I noticed also walang nahuhuli ng swerving during those time. Tsk tsk ano yun
nalalagyan dahil maraming gumagawa eh?

agree ako kay cutedoc, even 100km/hr lang ako hindi ako aalis sa inner lane.
kung bus or trucks ang nasa likod ibang usapan pero the thing is i'm already
at the max speed limit so no need to stay at the center or outside lane. if
they want to go beyond the max allowable speed it's their free choice to use
the right lane.

That's exactly my point you shouldn't have to move from the passing lane if you're already at the limit.

[A121]

i let faster cars overtake me. its safer and i can marvel how slow my 4g13 is.

pero sa star tollway, walang speed limit *ata*. i just frown at cars driving at less than 60kph at the passing lane and there's another car is blocking the right side. minsan, nakita ko nag-uusap pa, bumusina and flashed my lights ako dahil cars are starting to form a line behind them. aba nagalit pa sa akin.

sabi nga ng tatay ko, yan yung mga di nag-aral sa driving school.

[Walter]

obviously, dito lang sa thread na 'to makikita mo na more or less kung ano klase driver meron sa pinas......im just really amazed na ok lang pala na ilawan mo ng ilawan at bingihin mo sa kabubsina ang isang sasakyan na ayaw mag give way na wla kang idea kung ayw talga dahil bastos o hindi nakakaintindi smantalang pwede ka naman pumask sa kanan kung clear naman, which would you prefer to do if you're on the situation :

1. mag tail gate ka, ilawan mo ng ilawan, businahan mo ng businahan despite of the fact na nakikita at narrinig ka naman tapos oovertake ka din naman sa kanan pag di ka pinag bigyan, at mag 160 to 180 kph pag nakalusot ka, or

2. ilawan mo lang two times pag wlang response, overtake carefully on the right side, di mo naman kailangan mag 160 to 180 kph ka dahil mauuna ka talaga dahil mabagal yung isa.

remember po na ang sasakyan ay gamit lang ng tao, pag binaligtad po ninyo ang ibig sabhin nyan (tao gamit ng sasakyan), [SIZE=5][SIZE=3]AKSIDENTE [/SIZE] [/SIZE]po ang labas nyan.

wag po nyo masamain ito, paalala lang

You are misreading the author's post. He has explained his intentions over and over again.

[Walter]

Not to rain on your parade but if the guy was going 80km/h which is the max speed limit as you say, then he wasn't doing anything wrong even though he is in the passing lane because he is traveling at the max allowable speed. When you pass other cars you are still not to exceed the max speed limit, hence the term max speed limit, you're supposed to be able to pass within the max speed allowed by the law. The passing lane was placed there so you can pass vehicles who are traveling less than the max speed limit, not the ones who are already traveling at the max speed limit. You are also not to assume that the because of better vehicle technology that it has been raised to 100+km/h unless it has been posted. Limits are set taking not just the vehicle ability into consideration but the road conditions and the driving ability of the drivers who travel on the road. If you'd have been in an accident while passing to the right then your argument wouldn't stand because the other car wasn't doing anything wrong as he was within the speed permitted by the law and you were not.

Edit: I'm presuming that you were traveling the SLEX since the initial post mentioned the SLEX and not NLEX. Also since you slowed to 70km/h then he most likely was traveling at 80km/h because you mentioned passing him at 100+km/h.

Edit: Please don't rationalize reckless driving and road rage by blaming other cars on the road as the roads were made for you to share with others. If you felt the other driver was being an ass then you could have been the better man and moved on rather than going down to his level and being a bigger one. Remember driving is a privilege not a right that was given to you.

It's called a passing lane and not maximum speed lane for a reason.

[Walter]

We also need to consider that not all spedometers are calibrated properly.

[Horsepower]

Redorange: first off, i am not parading or anything. I'm just ranting. First, because of the slow car who wouldn't get off from the passing lane then would suddenly chase you if you get ahead and the cars who overtake on the shoulder.

If you think i am the goon then i'll leave it at that.

Slow car wasn't doing 80, probably 70 or less because if he's doing 80, then i wouldn't have bugged him because i know that it's the limit, i would've ran 80 also because doing 70 will make me trail behind. If am running at 120 and someone wants to go 150kmh, i'll get off the passing lane to let him pass. I have no problem with other people wanting to go faster so long as they do it correctly.

I know that sounds like an oxymoron but for me, speeding is not bad as it is. Careless speeding is.

Also, this is not some sort of ego problem, superiority complex or whatever. Like i said, im not the type who'll suddenly chase you like a maniac if you overtake me. I just like to cruise in the open part of the road at my optimal speed 5th Gear *2000rpm, that's all. If I am some speedster, i'd drive an exotic Italian supercar at 400kmh+.

If i choose to cruise at 120 (which is very slow btw), that's because i know i can handle such speed and the road + traffic conditions permits so. I've driven 200kmh+ without any other vehicle in sight and it's not much different.

You must be imagining American style of 12-car+ pile-ups or something so I understand as it is very common there.

IIRC, you're some sort of traffic enforcer or something there in US so i understand your peeve about sticking to the speed limit.

[mazdamazda]

It's called a passing lane and not maximum speed lane for a reason.

redorange's point is that the guy doing for say 80kph (while you are doing 100kph) to pass other vehicles doing 70kph has a valid right to use the passing lane because he is overtaking.

I encounter this a lot nowadays since some portion of the NLEX is close for drainage improvement. I just flash them twice to indicate that I want to pass them but I still permit them to pass other slower vehicles. Many of them go back to the slower lane once they passed.

Note:

In the NLEX, most provincial buses travel at 120kph if the passing lane is empty of pesky lane huggers. I am quite content most of the time to hang behind them and take advantage of the less wind drag.

What's surprising is that the outer lanes (since there are four of them) are not utilized properly by slower moving vehicles. In some cases, the outermost lane is empty save for one or two vehicles doing the minimum speed.

[///MPower]

Not to rain on your parade but if the guy was going 80km/h which is the max speed limit as you say, then he wasn't doing anything wrong even though he is in the passing lane because he is traveling at the max allowable speed.

Kind of. You're not forbidden to travel in the passing lane as long as you yield to overtaking traffic. It's also good etiquette (more so than legality) to use the passing lane only for passing.

When you pass other cars you are still not to exceed the max speed limit

Yes.

I think for passing, you can go beyond the speed limit. Provided that when you get back into the right lane, you're within the speed limit. Eh para saan pa ang passing kung lahat kayo eh doing 100kph so wala na makaka-overtake di ba?

Think about it. If you have to break the limit to pass someone, you don't need to pass them (assuming you are trying to go as fast as the law will allow and no faster).

Please don't rationalize reckless driving and road rage by blaming other cars on the road as the roads were made for you to share with others. If you felt the other driver was being an ass then you could have been the better man and moved on rather than going down to his level and being a bigger one. Remember driving is a privilege not a right that was given to you.

This is exactly what I was trying to say. It's one thing to call someone a lunatic or whatever. Sinking to their level by essentially racing them makes you no better than the other guy

[Horsepower]

///MPower: let me get this straight, I did NOT race the slow car. I just sped off to get away because i don't know what his intentions are for chasing me. I don't race compact cars because i think it is lame to race cars of lower displacement. Im a 2.2L diesel and that's a 1.6L petrol. Obviously, he will lose.

if someone suddenly chases you, wouldn't it be stupid to do nothing not knowing what the other party is planning to do?

I don't know what's hard to comprehend in this thread that certains points are repeated over and over again.

[///MPower]

if someone suddenly chases you, wouldn't it be stupid to do nothing not knowing what the other party is planning to do?

Uh. No. I'd race them because I'm young and reckless. But then I don't turn around and call them a-holes. I recognize the fact that I'm pretty irresponsible.

I just don't buy that you were innocently overtaking him. How can someone chase after you unless you were passing them at significant speed. Otherwise, he would have matched your speed (another thing I like to do because of my lack of self-control) until he could no longer keep with you.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have sped (I do all the time), I'm saying that calling him an a-hole for doing the same as you (at a lesser speed, according to you) is more than a little hypocritical.

[heightdeprived]

100kph sa nlex. enforced when going to manila. but on northbound vehicles the speed limit is not really enforced. you will see the nlex patrol cars most of the time instead.

sir hp easy lang. alam naman natin ang knowledge lang ng drivers in the phils. kaming mga taga probinsya, we dont really use the proper (headlight flashing) to attract the attention upfront. what we do is we just use our signal lights and go pass the other lane. yun naman ang norm sa atin diba? kaya nga fast cars sa nlex parang nag i-slalom, we go left and right and go weaving sa traffic hehehehe. anyway, i recommend you do the same next time. di pa iinit ulo mo.

you recommend on doing it? actually having slow and fast lanes aid to keep traffic predictable, I'm sorry but if you keep it that way you do not deserve your license...

[kyle618]

dami kasi feeling nila ang bilis na ng takbo nila pero in reality ang bagal talaga. when i car usually wants to overtake me then i let him... simple as that basta malinis at maayos ang pag ka gawa ng gesture.

madami ding ayaw mag pa overtake ksi parang nakakabawas ata sa ego nila. babaw noh? ewan ko lang mga tao dito super relax mag drive ang bagal naman nakakainis when i went to thailand there was traffic pero people are not afraid to drive fast safely... dito ang kukupad mag accelerate nabwibwisit ako ...

"ang lalakas simingit pag traffic pero pag libre un kalye ang bagal pa naman"... labo talaga ng mga tao.

[jiyumaico]

opinion ko sa issue na to. maraming driver talaga ang hindi marunong magbigay. respeto lang naman ang kailangan. hindi na issue yung kung ano ang sasakyan mo o kung ano ang speed limit.kasi nga malinaw na nakalagay passing lane.tsaka ano ba naman yung tumabi ka sandali.pag lagpas nung nasa likod, kung feel mo uli mag babad, eh di balik ka uli. ilang seconds lang naman yun.

[redorange]

Redorange: first off, i am not parading or anything. I'm just ranting. First, because of the slow car who wouldn't get off from the passing lane then would suddenly chase you if you get ahead and the cars who overtake on the shoulder.

If you think i am the goon then i'll leave it at that.

Slow car wasn't doing 80, probably 70 or less because if he's doing 80, then i wouldn't have bugged him because i know that it's the limit, i would've ran 80 also because doing 70 will make me trail behind. If am running at 120 and someone wants to go 150kmh, i'll get off the passing lane to let him pass. I have no problem with other people wanting to go faster so long as they do it correctly.

I know that sounds like an oxymoron but for me, speeding is not bad as it is. Careless speeding is.

Also, this is not some sort of ego problem, superiority complex or whatever. Like i said, im not the type who'll suddenly chase you like a maniac if you overtake me. I just like to cruise in the open part of the road at my optimal speed 5th Gear *2000rpm, that's all. If I am some speedster, i'd drive an exotic Italian supercar at 400kmh+.

If i choose to cruise at 120 (which is very slow btw), that's because i know i can handle such speed and the road + traffic conditions permits so. I've driven 200kmh+ without any other vehicle in sight and it's not much different.
You must be imagining American style of 12-car+ pile-ups or something so I understand as it is very common there.

IIRC, you're some sort of traffic enforcer or something there in US so i understand your peeve about sticking to the speed limit.

First, I am not a traffic enforcer here nor there and I really don't care if you speed as long as your speeding doesn't kill any of my family members or other innocent people.

Second, as others have pointed out you and the other guy were both wrong, him for impeding you and you for driving faster than the limit.

Third, you have to share the road so does the other guy. Which means although you know your ability drive at that high speed others may not have that ability and your perception of your ability may also be higher than what it actually is, that's something you'll find out in due time. Plowing through traffic with the mentality that everyone needs to move out of your way because you want to travel at a set speed and calling those who don't move out of your way goons is to quote ///MPower "hypocritical". If he didn't move after flashing the light then move to the next lane and move on.

Fourth, just because you don't drive a Ferrari doesn't mean you can't be a "speedster" as you put it. I see lots of people there and here going fast is Civics.

Fifth, I think the problem that the others who agree with me have with your initial post is the appearance of arrogance on your part. Those who go through driving school are thought defensive driving not offensive driving, which is what it appears because you let your temper get the better of you.

I don't know you so you may be a great guy, but for this particular incident you could have taken the higher road.

Peace

[mbeige]

Think about it. If you have to break the limit to pass someone, you don't need to pass them (assuming you are trying to go as fast as the law will allow and no faster).

You don't get my point. If the other person is already passing somebody, but you have a faster car and you want to pass them, then by all means wait until he is clear to move into the right lane once he has passed somebody, and then you can proceed to pass them. I understand your point that I do not need to pass them. But what if there was a need to? (see below)

But if you were in a situation that like some members here have said like they don't want to be in a crowd (to avoid pile-ups in case lang mangyari) then the other drivers should give you the road if they are obstructing it by going at the speed limit in the fast lane. I don't mean they go beyond the speed limit, pwede naman kasi tumabi di ba?

This thread is an example of why speed limits have been abolished in certain parts of Germany's Autobahn. People get into conflict as to sticking to the speed limit or going beyond it safely. In fact, accidents related to speeding were minimized when the speed limit was lifted.

To be fair, Horsepower's statement is clear. He just wanted to move on. He did not want to race anybody. Who knows, if the other person wanted to chase him down, or wanted to chase you down after you passed them, what would you do? If that person you passed had the right mind he would have just gotten into the right lane, and let HP pass without troubling him. I mean your reaction would be "Sino ba itong lokong ito if I already passed him pero ayaw magpatalo't kailangan pa ako habulin?" right? I would have done the same, just speed away.

Redorange, I drive daily to work, school, and back, and most people drive at 80-85mph. Why don't they all get pulled over? That's well above the posted speed limit of 65. Sometimes there are CHP's, but they don't pull anybody over (not that I know of). But I do get what you mean, and I understand that if everybody is already at the posted limit, you are stuck behind, right? Well what if there was a gravel truck in front of you spewing loads of rocks chipping your windshield, hood and headlamps, or somebody wreckless? What I'm saying is that if you have a good enough reason to pass others safely, to avoid any harm or damage to yourself, then that's allowed. Besides, I mentioned that it is feasible to do that only in particular circumstances, not regular passing. I mean going back to the topic of HP passing somebody in the fast lane. What if there was a bus na sobrang mausok but he's already going the speed limit of 100 in the slow (right) lane and here you are behind him, nalalanghap mo lahat ng usok? Would you stick to the speed limit (and destroy your lungs) or just pass them for this one time?

The law isn't always strict and clear cut. Most of the time it's there to guide people. That's why there are a lot of cars whizzing by higher than the posted speed limit up to 85, maybe even 90mph here in the US and sometimes I even see the CHP go along with them/us. I clearly remember being stated in the manual that in order to drive safely, you must also drive along with the flow so that it will be uniform. If you have to slow down, stay on the right lane.

I mean, do you always have to wait until ALL pedestrians have crossed safely before you can proceed? As long as they're far enough, and nobody else is approaching, then you can proceed to pass safely.

When HP mentioned that "If i choose to cruise at 120 (which is very slow btw), that's because i know i can handle such speed and the road + traffic conditions permits so. I've driven 200kmh+ without any other vehicle in sight and it's not much different." I wished the German principles of driving were applied there and everywhere else. If people are capable of driving at high speed and can prove it to the officials (to get the permit stating so, or something to that effect) then they should be allowed to drive at high speed. But if they can't, then they'll only be given part of it like a regular license so you have to stick to the limit. The problem is everybody can get a license there and nobody really checks whether you can drive safely or not. So if you are in a debate like this, and the system provided for these rules, then all you have to say is I have this type of license so I can drive safely at high speed. End of discussion. But no, it's not like that, and hence I don't see this thread ending so soon...

[mbeige]

Plowing through traffic with the mentality that everyone needs to move out of your way because you want to travel at a set speed and calling those who don't move out of your way goons is to quote ///MPower "hypocritical". If he didn't move after flashing the light then move to the next lane and move on.

To be honest he did not seem arrogant to me, it was a similar case with me the other day when people don't want to move out of the passing lane (and it's clearly stated that the passing lane is for overtaking). I think HP did exactly as you said, he moved to the right lane (which he wasn't supposed to do, but was forced to) and just moved on. But he was chased down by the same car, and that is aggressive driving. To me ang nanloloko was the other car, not HP.

[viper2lt]

for me kahit na ano pa ang sinasakyan ko, mabagal man o mabilis, suv man o sedan, speed limit lang. tipid pa sa gas. sayang din ang gas kung patakbo ka ng mabilis sobra. at least speed limit, safe kayo ng mga kasabay mo sa daan. iwas na lang sa mga speed freaks na over the speed limit at mga mabagal.

[chris_d]

sa akin lang there are many things to consider, pero first comes safety, if a car wants to pass let them pass on your left

this isnt so much about the speed involved but proper road courtesy and lane use, yun lang...

if you were going at 40kph and a car going at 20kph its still the same situation, let the faster car overtake on the left lane, simple rule to follow

if you encounter an aggresive driver like what was mentioned i would do either of two things, let him overtake me or i'll leave him behind, i know what crazy drivers are capable of... one time someone (in a ford lynx, no tint) suddenly stopped in front of me on the slex just because i was going to overtake on the passing line, fact is there are so many f**king morons on the road, drive safely and wisely, use your best judgement

[istan]

Funny, I also do the weave thing on both NLEX and SLEX. Fun! Fun!
Don't go on the safety route with me. I'm so unsafe.

[badsekktor]

pop corn pa! basta alam ko may speed limit sa nlex at slex.

siguro ang mga kinaiinisan ko lang dyan eh yun mga hindi marunong magbigay... kagaya ng mga mababagal na sasakyan sa passing lane kahit maluwag naman sa kabilang lanes at yun malayo pa lang eh parang ayaw ka papasukin ng passing lane para umovertake sa mas mabagal na sasakyan sa lane mo....

imagine nyo na lang kung motorsiklo mga dala ng mga ganitong driver... siguro sila yun mga singit ng singit at gusto lagi mauna....