Is Counterflow a valid traffic violation?

[batang_raon14]

Guys, I was cruising along Roxas Blvd. yesterday around 12 noon and turned right on P. Ocampo (street in front of CCP). May dalawang stoplights dun. Ung isa tabi ng gas station at ung isa naman sa pakaliwa ng Harrison.

Nung nasa tabi na ako ng gas station, I halted dahil RED ang stoplight. Now, eto nangyari: Since 4 lane ung daan (2 papuntang taft, at 2 pabalik ccp). May Ford Explorer (pick-up version) na nag-occupy ng 3rd lane (which was supposed to be para sa mga pabalik ccp). After nya may sumunod naman na Honda SIR. Nagtaka ako kasi pinara ng traffic enforcer (naka-brown) ung SIR pero ung Explorer hinayaan lang nya. Di naman otso o diplomat ung plaka. Eh since naka-open windows ko (tumigil kasi buhos ng ulan nun at tipid ako sa aircon dahil malamig na), couldn't help but overhear what the enforcer told the driver. Eto sabi: "Pano nyan counterflow ka? Violation yan eh... tabi mo muna ha?"

WTH? Then I checked the LTO website regarding counterflow as a violation and what I found were violations that could be connected to the case but this is what I found weird. Can you consider it as counterflow if:

1. No traffic was directly against the lane taken by the SIR which just followed the EXPLORER.
2. The SIR was half inside the proper lane (dahil sagad na nakagilid ung mga sasakyad sa right-most lane); and
3. How come the SIR was halted while the EXPLORER wasn't? To the fact na dalawa silang pulis na nandun nung time na yun?

Could anyone shed some light on this? TIA.

And pls., di po ako nagkukunwari na hindi ako ung driver ng SIR. You could tell by my sig na nandun lang talaga ako nung sinita siya. =D

[nugundam93]

dapat pati yung explorer hinuli. iirc valid violation yung counterflow, i just don;'t have access to that LTO list of violations.

[batang_raon14]

Napaka-odd kasi kung violation un, dapat dalawa silang hinuli. Parang nadududahan tuloy ako kung ano talaga dahilan. Kelan po ba talaga 100% sure na Counterflow ang sasakyan? Mahirap na rin po kasi kung baka mamaya eh mag-overtake lang ako sabay magugulat na lang ako at may pulis na paparahin ako at sasabihing "bosing counterflow po kayo" at wala akong valid na defense?

[empy]

hula ko lang to ha...

but i think the officer probably thought that he could only write one ticket at a time. so isa lang ang pinara niya. malas lang ni SIR that he was chosen.

it's like when you go out fishing....you don't catch all the fish in the sea, do you?

[phat_azz]

diba sa santolan nanghuhuli din ng mga nag-c-counterflow? di ko lang alam kung hanggang ngayon may sign pa rin sila na nagpepenalize (with matching fine pa ata) ng pag-counterflow...

[mazdamazda]

yup... counterflow nga yun since going to CCP yung kabilang lane na.

actually, buti naman at hinuhuli na nila yung mga nag cocounterflow (left going to BSP). laging ganyan jan.

[skyglider]

Napaka-odd kasi kung violation un, dapat dalawa silang hinuli. Parang nadududahan tuloy ako kung ano talaga dahilan. Kelan po ba talaga 100% sure na Counterflow ang sasakyan? Mahirap na rin po kasi kung baka mamaya eh mag-overtake lang ako sabay magugulat na lang ako at may pulis na paparahin ako at sasabihing "bosing counterflow po kayo" at wala akong valid na defense?

dapat nga dalawa silang hinuli pero kinabahan siguro sila dun sa Ford Explorer kaya yung SIR na lang...

pag broken lines pwede ka mag-overtake. kung may straight white line sa kalsada ibig sabihin di ka pwede mag-change lane o mag overtake. pwede kang hulihin nyan sa palagay. palagay ko lang ha...

[j_avonni]

yup... counterflow nga yun since going to CCP yung kabilang lane na.

actually, buti naman at hinuhuli na nila yung mga nag cocounterflow (left going to BSP). laging ganyan jan.

The penalties for counterflow are P2,500 fine (kung hindi pa nag-increase) and 3 months suspension of driver's license (could be waived if first violation). It is considered a dangerous traffic violation.

[CVT]

Sa Bacoor/Las Pinas,- way of life ang counterflow. Imagine, you're stucked in traffic for 15minutes because the traffic enforcers are 'lending' all of the lanes to the 'counter-flow'.... hehehe. Worse along coastal road going to Cavite,- 30minutes pa yata.... tsk tsk

Count na lang from 1 to sawa to ease the mounting *#$%...

[Kamui]

I've read the list of LTO violations and I think counterflow falls under "Reckless Driving". A friend of mine said this is what the officers put on the ticket.

[wren]

hula ko lang to ha...

but i think the officer probably thought that he could only write one ticket at a time. so isa lang ang pinara niya. malas lang ni SIR that he was chosen.

it's like when you go out fishing....you don't catch all the fish in the sea, do you?

it's the same thing with speeding. if a group of cars are all speeding, they can only catch one, and it's usually the last one of the group. that's why when the flow of traffic is fast, i usually try to go up front, and not the trailer.

[Trajano]

Let's just accept the fact that Expeditions, Explorers, Patrols, Navigators, BMWs, Mercs, etc, are immune from traffic violations. For the traffic enforcers and police thought that the owners of these are bigshot politicians or somehow connected to the higher ones. This is the Filifins baby!

[swordsman]

Since 4 lane ung daan (2 papuntang taft, at 2 pabalik ccp). May Ford Explorer (pick-up version) na nag-occupy ng 3rd lane (which was supposed to be para sa mga pabalik ccp). After nya may sumunod naman na Honda SIR.

2. The SIR was half inside the proper lane (dahil sagad na nakagilid ung mga sasakyad sa right-most lane)

mukhang counterflow nga, although dapat pati explorer hinuli...pero sabi nga..

it's like when you go out fishing....you don't catch all the fish in the sea, do you?

..and dagdag ko naman, kung manghuhuli ka ng isda sa dagat for probably same amount na sweldo/lagay, alin huhulihin mo, yong pating o yong tuna?

[baiskee]

hula ko lang to ha...

but i think the officer probably thought that he could only write one ticket at a time. so isa lang ang pinara niya. malas lang ni SIR that he was chosen.

it's like when you go out fishing....you don't catch all the fish in the sea, do you?

yep...malas lang ni SiR.

[batang_raon14]

I see. Salamat po mga bosing. At least malinaw na po saken. Mas mabuti na po palang mag-antay kaysa mapara at masita.

Pero sa linyang

Let's just accept the fact that Expeditions, Explorers, Patrols, Navigators, BMWs, Mercs, etc, are immune from traffic violations.

at

This is the Filifins baby!

Hay na lang... hay...

[empy]

..and dagdag ko naman, kung manghuhuli ka ng isda sa dagat for probably same amount na sweldo/lagay, alin huhulihin mo, yong pating o yong tuna?

good point!! :D

[ian_rex]

"counterflow" or as LTO List of Penalty under "Other Violation"says: Driving against traffic (68B), has a corresponding fine of PhP 150. pero kapag ang violation is Reckless Driving then:

1st offense = 500
2nd offense = 750
3rd offense = 1000

here is the link:http://www.lto.gov.ph/fines2.html#v11

[swimstroke]

Hehe, may malakas ang loob na lespu na pumara ng Exped sa may Taft. Hindi ko alam kung anong violation, pero beating the red light siguro kasi nung dumaan ako nagdilaw na at nasa likod ko siya. Kinatok niya, binuksan nung Exped yung blinkers niya + wang wang, tumabi bigla si lespu at unti unting lumayo dahil tablado. Kailan kaya ulit papara ng Exped yun?

Masarap talaga kapag maganda ang tsikot mo, o kaya paborito ng pulitiko.

[ian_rex]

Hehe, may malakas ang loob na lespu na pumara ng Exped sa may Taft. Hindi ko alam kung anong violation, pero beating the red light siguro kasi nung dumaan ako nagdilaw na at nasa likod ko siya. Kinatok niya, binuksan nung Exped yung blinkers niya + wang wang, tumabi bigla si lespu at unti unting lumayo dahil tablado. Kailan kaya ulit papara ng Exped yun?

Masarap talaga kapag maganda ang tsikot mo, o kaya paborito ng pulitiko.

langya talaga dito sa atin... 2 violation nung Expy na yun ah. bad call para dun sa pulis na yun...

pagkaka-alam ko, 3 lang ang authorized gumamit nang blinkers at wang-wang (with exception sa mga patrol car, ambulance at fire trucks):

President
Senate President
Speaker of the House

correct me na lang if I'm wrong.

[OTEP]

Sa tingin ko, dapat nagmamando ng traffic yung pulis at hindi nagtatago while waiting for violators. Kaya naman walang ka-amor-amor sakin ang karamihan sa mga pulis. Ugaling t*e kasi.