Car owner kills Carnapper !

[sippy]

Now now, aren't we exaggerating? Repulsivbe I can understand, but b and l are 3 inches apart and they're not even on the same row/column... well, if that's what you claim, then I have to believe you.



Please read my first post:

I even said he is a hero. If I were in his shoes I might have done the same thing. My point here is that we should also think of the consequences. I gave posted the penal code so that members of this forum would know and thus make an informed choice should this happed to us in the future.


I usually make it a point not to correct someone else's grammatical errors since I've had quite a few of them myself, it's just the way he presented it:

Which I thought asked for a correction.


I’m glad that you have first-hand knowledge of this matter. Would you like to enlighten us please? Because contrary to what you’ve said, I believe most posters of this thread have also read this from the papers or heard it on the news. Oh, and another thing: this is a forum—it’s purpose is for the members to share their views and exchange their ideas so telling people to stop commenting is defeating the purpose of a forum.


Yes, you’re right. Most of us are proud that our point in allowing responsible citizens to arm themselves and defend their family is showing some very concrete proof. But if you will go through some of the PROGun sites, you’ll notice that we are also trying to discuss the legalities of this issue. After all, we are Peaceful, Responsible Gun owners and being responsible means knowing the law and trying our best to uphold it.

I think I’ve proven my point well enough. This argument is getting personal and ridiculous. If some people can’t open their minds to some of the issues I’ve presented, then I can’t do anything about it and I’m getting tired of repeating myself.

Thanks for reading!

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT..THIS IS A FORUM..AND ITS VERY IMPERTINENT OF YOU TO CORRECT SOMEONE'S MISSPELLED WORD...IT'S REALLY GETTING PERSONAL...OH, YES..TO THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO GOOGLE THE WORD..BESIDES, THE MESSAGE IS FOR SOMEONE, NOT YOU, RIGHT?
I LIVE HERE IN THE STATE CAPITAL, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST GUN CONTROL, BUT STILL "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS", SO IMPORTANT THAT ITS NOW PROTECTED BY THE 2ND AMMENDMENT.
SO TO KEEP THIS FORUM SMOOTH AND DIPLOMATIC, JUST REFRAIN FROM CORRECTING SOMEONE'S GRAMMAR OR MISSPELLED WORDS BECAUSE IT IS VERY AGGRAVATING.
TO BMWNIMARKW, ACCORDING TO HANNAH MONTANA "NOBODY'S PERFECT" (YOU'RE FINE, REALLY..)
WITH GUNS, WE ARE CITIZENS..WITHOUT THEM, WE AR SUBJECTS. (American Politics)

[praetor91313]

Really? Since you apparently know these states would you mind posting it here. I'd like to research those particular state laws so if you don't mind posting where you got your information also.

Here's another article:

The D.C. law, like laws in Chicago and New York City, doesn't explicitly bar handguns; it requires that all residents register them with the city. Since the city stopped registering handguns in 1976, no one who hadn't registered by then can have a handgun at home. The result, effectively, is a ban. D.C.'s law also bars residents from keeping any other firearm, such as a rifle or a shotgun, loaded or assembled.

Full article here: [url]http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/03/06/a-key-case-on-gun-control.html[/quote]

To tell you the truth, I only quoted that statement from a PROGun poster I downloaded. I never really researched it until you asked, so these articles may already be outdated. Any updates would be welcome though...

[JJGF]

I was a victim of robbery a few years back and I can only empathize with you. It happened in the very street where I lived and I was so enraged at what happened, I literally ran to my house to get my FA and got back out to hunt those perps down. Luckily or unluckily, I couldn't find them anymore.

They took my office bag, my wallet, cellphone and new (still in the box) PDA.

Their modus? Two of the perps surrounded me with one having a knife to my neck. The other one showed a gun (dunno if it was fake) tucked in his waist.

sir question...
1) kung naabutan mo puputukan mo ba nung time na yun?
2) habang naiisip mo ngayon ang nangyari, puputukan mo pa din ba?

[KERSMcRae]

Why is this in the good squad?

Yes, why is this in the goon squad section, shouldn't this be in the thumbs up section?

maybe because it's carnapping incident so (he) created a thread here in Goon Squad...

[BratPAQ]

Only in the Philippines, you're liable for the criminal's life even when they're running away with your property. The law-abiding citizens always get screwed by screwed up laws made by screwed-up lawmakers...

actually di lang sa philippines, even in the US, you can kill a trespasser while he is still inside your house, pag nakalabas na sya and you still kill him, liable ka na, katwiran eh while inside the house, you and your family are on imminent danger, kaya self-defense, pag nakalabas na eh wala na kayo sa danger.

[praetor91313]

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT..THIS IS A FORUM..AND ITS VERY IMPERTINENT OF YOU TO CORRECT SOMEONE'S MISSPELLED WORD...IT'S REALLY GETTING PERSONAL...OH, YES..TO THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO GOOGLE THE WORD..BESIDES, THE MESSAGE IS FOR SOMEONE, NOT YOU, RIGHT?

Uhm…

Gen. Miting,
Your bitterness against the FORD EXPLORER being expensive and all is repulsible (google this word so you'd relate) Do you even have the balls to open your eyes when something like this happens to you? My conclusion is you'd probably pee in your pants!
Go back to your sorry and idiot-filled world. TSIKOT should ban you and your unfounded ideas....total waste of skin!

But I guess you’re right in saying that it's not meant for me. The only defense I have is to say that again, this is a forum; everyone’s allowed to speak his mind.

Let’s try to keep the discussion clean please. Everyone’s encouraged to give their views. Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

[jjmd3_787]

actually di lang sa philippines, even in the US, you can kill a trespasser while he is still inside your house, pag nakalabas na sya and you still kill him, liable ka na, katwiran eh while inside the house, you and your family are on imminent danger, kaya self-defense, pag nakalabas na eh wala na kayo sa danger.

that's true pero you'll still have a day in court especially if you killed somebody . . . killing is killing. Pero sabi nga ng uncle kong abugado, formality na lang yan sa korte wherein you can easily get away with it.

may repercussion yang incident na yan: carnappers/carjackers will now be more aggressive than before. They may not even announce a carjacking but shoot the owner instantly as they approach for fear of retaliation.

kaya doble ingat na lang palagi. Look where you park and the activities around you before you board your vehicle.

I don't recommend turning the situation into a Wild West. Pano kung naunahan ka? Ang kotse mapapalitan. E ang buhay? Material things are not worth giving your life for. Report it immediately to the authorities.

[sippy]

Uhm…

But I guess you’re right in saying that it's not meant for me. The only defense I have is to say that again, this is a forum; everyone’s allowed to speak his mind.

Let’s try to keep the discussion clean please. Everyone’s encouraged to give their views. Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

Yes, let's keep this clean, so we should not correct each other's keyboarding errors, ok.

Let's all pray and support for the car owner and his family, especially for the kids who are traumatized by now.

One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occassion for them- Thomas Jefferson

[niky]

o, what's up with the attitude?..lawyer?...even the mispelled word of bmw, bothered ka?
Again, if you don't know the first hand info re this, stop na lang pls...nakakahiya, kase most people who were leaving comments here really knew what happened..if you're talking about being a responsible gun owner, this guy did the right thing..and even you, can't say na he's irresponsible...everyone has the divine right to protect yourself and your offspring..speak for yourself na lang...pag nangyari sa yo ito tomorrow, you won't go after your carnappers because you're just scared, dude.
Proguns are happy about this. We have the right to protect ourselves....the law that you were talking about...swallow it, or might as well, just save it for dessert.

There is no "divine" right to self-protection... just the "human" right.

Divine rights to self-protection can justify anything from stoning an infidel to burning a witch.

The human right is the right to life. That means that anyone who threatens that person's life directly is now forfeiting their own right to life, and the gun owner can then take the action he deems necessary to prevent the loss of his life or that of his family.

The issue at hand is... the robber was getting away and no longer posed a direct threat to the gun owner and his family, so shooting him in the back is legally no longer a case of self-defense. Since he was shooting the man while he was still in possession of stolen property, though, he was still in the act of committing a crime, so the mitigating circumstances should prevail.

Can't say the criminal didn't have it coming. If somebody points a weapon at me and mine, I'm not going to take that sitting down, either.

JUST REFRAIN FROM CORRECTING SOMEONE'S GRAMMAR OR MISSPELLED WORDS BECAUSE IT IS VERY AGGRAVATING.

It's perfectly acceptable to correct someone else's grammar... since, according to the rules of Tsikot, everyone is supposed to post clearly and legibly, and to use proper language. And proper language on the internet means no SHOUTING, please. ;)

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/annou....php?f=18&a=19

Technically, I'm inclined to side with Praetor, in that the car owner CAN be charged with homicide (or murder), based only on the newspaper report. (There are a lot of caveats here however, so I'm reserving final judgement until after I've read a comprehensive report on the matter.

+1

I doubt the police will push for prosecution. But the gun-owner might have to request for police protection, or at least a bodyguard, since the syndicate knows where he lives and may now have a reason to go after him again.

If I were in his shoes, I'd be more scared now than at the time of the incident. During the incident, he could see his attackers face-to-face. If they come after him again, he may not see it coming...

I sincerely hope the guy will be all right.

[Altis6453]

sir question...
1) kung naabutan mo puputukan mo ba nung time na yun?
2) habang naiisip mo ngayon ang nangyari, puputukan mo pa din ba?

To answer your question:

1. This incident pre-dated the Sonny Parsons case, but, yes. I would without any hesitation whatsoever. Just supposing that I did catch up with them, I doubt if they'd return the stuff they stole from me by asking nicely or by hurling harsh language.

2. Yes. I didn't acquire a licensed FA (with PTC) only to hesitate on using it when it was absolutely necessary --- like recovering my property.

But thankfully it didn't come to that.

[sippy]

[sippy]

He did the right thing.

So, police shooting carnappers until they run out of ammo is fine but a car owner can't while defending his property? Great.

jan din nga po ako nagtataka.

[Gen. Miting]

Gen. Miting
Re: Car owner kills Carnapper !
so ano nga ford explorer ba tlaga 'to? kina-carnap na ba ngaun 'to eh gas guzzler to ah saka mahal maint ng parts

tingin ko hindi carjack 'to baka magkaaway talaga 'tong mga grupo na'to. pano mo hahabulin ang tsikot mo with 3 gunmen tapos ikaw nag-isa lang may baril tapos kasama mo pa asawa mo unless yun na nga may ugali ka din kriminal


"You have no idea what you are talking about. If you don't have the first hand details, stop speculating and your bickering is no use to this discussion. Oh, now I know..maybe you're the bitter bitch of Redentor Fajardo. It's none of your business if the owner can afford this expensive ford as well as the gas' cost. It's not his fault if you don't have enough resources to buy yourself this kind of vehicle. Hate the carnapper, don't hate the truck. If you don't have anything good to say, might as well go back to your mother and ask her to teach you some manners, poor SWELLHEAD.!"

wag ka na magalit wala ako pakelam sa inyo kung sino gusto manalo dito at puro site pa ng laws in reference sa kaso na'to. to be honest, if indeed this is carnapping, eh di ok paktay kagad carnapper.

pero iba kasi nababasa ko sa news eh, mukang pinalabas na carnapping lang pero tingin ko magkaaway yan dalawang grupo. di kaya amasona yun asawa kasi parang gusto gusto pa nya makipagbarilan husband nya.

saka ford explorer pagtyatyagaan carnappin, sa sobrang bagsak resale value nito baka kulang pa hati-hati nila sa kikitain pag nadispatsa nila 'to.

saka kung tutoo na naman carnapping 'to, syempre dapat shaken ka muna bago stirred sa surprise attack, i doubt the wife can hand over a clutch bag that fast. saka ano ginawa ba ng husband hinabol niya yun escaping ford explorer at the same time shooting? unless naka GI Joe suit sya parang ang labo mangyari ito sa tunay na buhay.

at syempre even if you manage to shoot it out with all the 3 gunmen in your car. eh di puro dugo yun tapos baka maging haunted ford explorer pa yan balang araw. so kahit nabawi nya, habang panahon sya mumultuhin ng mga pinatay nya

[Gen. Miting]

Gen. Miting,
I am not surprised at all if you are part of the carnapping syndicate. You sure do think like one! Defending your LIFE and PROPERTY is not "ugaling kriminal"! The fact of the matter IS: the car owner is the victim!! HELLLLLOOOOO?????? You better read up the words you don't understand such as CAR OWNER and CARNAPPER! Your bitterness against the FORD EXPLORER being expensive and all is repulsible (google this word so you'd relate) Do you even have the balls to open your eyes when something like this happens to you? My conclusion is you'd probably pee in your pants!
Go back to your sorry and idiot-filled world. TSIKOT should ban you and your unfounded ideas....total waste of skin!

kahit sa sobrang gym molded body ko ngaun at sa sobrang fit and energetic ko ngaun, malamang maiihi muna ako sa pants pag tinutukan ng 3 gunmen. surprise attack eh. and the presence of my wife with me, baka matae pa ako kasi mas delikadong liability pa yun x2

[Gen. Miting]

saka wag na kayo argue dito about protection of life and property at kung nakalabas na eh eh may liability. ang order of battle sa lahat ng carnappers is shoot to kill. since 1980's pa'to. ngaun ewan ko lang if it applies to citizen's arrest. pero tingin ko papalamapasin na ng PNP yan kasi sila shoot to kill nga eh.

nakakita na kasi ako ng nagbarilan TMG vs carnappers in broad daylight. galant box type pa noon carnap nila. yun 3 carnapper sa sobrang lito nagtago sa puno. di nga puno yun kung din maliit na halaman basta niratrat sila yun 3 bulagta. kamuka pa nga ni bomber moran yun isa dun sinlaki din.
first time ko din makakita ng patay na puro dugo noon, 14 yrs. old pa ako noon

[mayhem]

Even the family of the carnapper would file a case, it would never suffice..

dead man can't talk! no witnesses no case.. besides news reports are null for it is not a formal satement so the shooter can always says i never did that.. just refer to my official police statement...

[Galactus]

^^^ Strictly speaking, the family of the dead perp can act as the private complainant. They don't have to act as witnesses, since wala naman sila sa crime scene when it happened. It's a criminal case after all, and the state is the plaintiff. But as private complainants, they must sign the Information Sheet (IS).

News reports are not null. If an authorized executive of the newspaper can testify in court that the report did appear in the newspaper, then it can be taken cognizance of in court. Also, the reporter can be summoned as a witness to affirm his story.

Personally, kung totoong carjacker nga yung namatay, goodbye and good riddance! Mas maganda sana kung pati yung isang kasama, napatay din. And although I own a firearm myself, I wouldn't risk a shooutout kung kasama ko pamilya ko for a mere Ford Explorer. (Chances are, insured naman yun). Kotse lang yan, di puwedeng pamalit sa buhay ko or that of my loved ones.

[xtremerider]

IMHO...Kudos to the owner of the car for his bravery. If this happen to me then i will do almost the same but with extreme caution since my life and my love once will be at stake in such action. If the owner can afford to buy a such expensive car, to own a license firearms with legal permit to carry then he can also defend himself in the court with a well paid lawyer.

Let's take into consideration that not all carjacker are in a state of normal behavior. They may take your life while getting your valuables.

[ghosthunter]

Let's take into consideration that not all carjacker are in a state of normal behavior. They may take your life while getting your valuables.

Hell, even thieves stealing your mobile phone might kill you.

One less bad guy in this world is good for me.

[Horsepower]

The best ka talaga Gen.Miting! hehehehe