Car owner kills Carnapper !

[bmwnimarkw]

so ano nga ford explorer ba tlaga 'to? kina-carnap na ba ngaun 'to eh gas guzzler to ah saka mahal maint ng parts

tingin ko hindi carjack 'to baka magkaaway talaga 'tong mga grupo na'to. pano mo hahabulin ang tsikot mo with 3 gunmen tapos ikaw nag-isa lang may baril tapos kasama mo pa asawa mo unless yun na nga may ugali ka din kriminal

Gen. Miting,
I am not surprised at all if you are part of the carnapping syndicate. You sure do think like one! Defending your LIFE and PROPERTY is not "ugaling kriminal"! The fact of the matter IS: the car owner is the victim!! HELLLLLOOOOO?????? You better read up the words you don't understand such as CAR OWNER and CARNAPPER! Your bitterness against the FORD EXPLORER being expensive and all is repulsible (google this word so you'd relate) Do you even have the balls to open your eyes when something like this happens to you? My conclusion is you'd probably pee in your pants!
Go back to your sorry and idiot-filled world. TSIKOT should ban you and your unfounded ideas....total waste of skin!

[bmwnimarkw]

EXACTLY! .

That's what I'm talking about!!!

[praetor91313]

Gen. Miting,...
Your bitterness against the FORD EXPLORER being expensive and all is repulsible (google this word so you'd relate) Do you even have the balls to open your eyes when something like this happens to you?

I did:
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.

1. repulsive
2. irreplaceable
3. repulsion
4. reparable

--http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/repulsible

[praetor91313]

Gen. Miting,
I am not surprised at all if you are part of the carnapping syndicate. You sure do think like one! ...
My conclusion is you'd probably pee in your pants!
TSIKOT should ban you and your unfounded ideas....

Sorry po for the OT, but this just made me laugh... he kept on ranting and giving unfounded speculations about Gen. Miting then says in the end, "Tsikot should ban you and your unfounded ideas...! Ha ha ha! Talk about hypocrites.... he he he...

Oh, sorry. Hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
--http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrites

[praetor91313]

A gunless society just makes us all potential victims of robbers and thieves.

Even in UK where there is nearly no guns and video cams everywhere, criminality is still everywhere.

An armed society is a polite society.

I've read one case in the UK where the DA wanted to prosecute a woman who killed her rapist with a knife. He was discussing her plea-bargain and said he could lower her suit to homicide if she was willing to plead guilty. The woman refused.

The DA then offered to lower it still to involuntary manslaughter but still she refused and demanded they go to court.

Fortunately the jury found her not guilty.

Did you know that in the US some states would prefer that a woman be raped instead of allowing her to defend herself with a gun?

[praetor91313]

Sorry if some people disagree with the articles in our revised penal code, but it IS our law and we have to be aware of it. And mind you, this is not a law which only Filipinos thought of and promulgated. In fact, it's a part of most constitutions of independent , democratic nations especially the States and UK.

You're right that most likely, the relatives won't even think of prosecuting the shooters, just like with Sonny Parsons and the LEO who shot the greenbelt 5 robbers since, as some of you commented, our justice system is so screwed up.

Wanting to be a responsible gun owner, I tried reading up on our gun laws and I've frequented several sites and the post I made on the first page is one of them.

I found out that in order to be a responsible gun owner, we must never use our firearms in anger or revenge. It is only to be used in the most dire of circumstances since even the criminals are protected by our laws.

I just wanted to propagate this knowledge hoping the members of tsikot will learn from it and keep it in the back of their minds should something like this (heaven forbid) happen to any of us.

The main point here is that we're aware of the law, never talk to reporters or LEOs immediately after the incident, and call your lawyer ASAP and let him be the one making the statements.

[bmwnimarkw]

Sorry po for the OT, but this just made me laugh... he kept on ranting and giving unfounded speculations about Gen. Miting then says in the end, "Tsikot should ban you and your unfounded ideas...! Ha ha ha! Talk about hypocrites.... he he he...

Oh, sorry. Hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
--http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrites

Hi Praetor91313,

I am glad you are amused. That is exactly what i've hoped for, the moment I opened my eyes this morning ... I said to my self, aaahh, let me entertain dear Praetor at Gen. Miting's expense! It worked... clap clap!
My bad on the whole repulsible--REPULSIVE thing....The strokes of the keyboard were faster than expected....

HYPOCRITE-- thanks to merriam-webster dictionary, you are enlightened to what it really means, because YOU are one.


BECAUSE REALLY, WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND CONFLICTED IN A SITUATION
LIKE THIS WILL HAVE THE TIME TO DECIDE ON THE FOLLOWING PREMISES:

A. I SHOULDN'T SHOOT THE CARNAPPER BECAUSE HE HAS LEGAL RIGHTS, OR I'LL GO TO PRISON, SO LET HIM HAVE EVERYTHING.

B. OH YEAH I CAN SHOOT HIM, "BUT" IF AND ONLY IF, HIS BODY IS FACING TOWARDS ME AND NOT WHEN HE'S TURNED HIS BACK, OR I'LL GO TO PRISON, SO YEAH LET HIM HAVE EVERYTHING.

C. MAYBE I SHOULD DO ALA "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ON THE CARNAPPER, HECK, I'LL GIVE HIM MY BIKE TOO WHILE HE'S AT IT.

So come on, who's really the hypocrite now? I don't really need a gun to defend myself from CARNAPPERS WITH LEGAL RIGHTS... I can just throw my mere SPARTAN slippers at them with great precision, for all I care.

[sippy]

sorry if some people disagree with the articles in our revised penal code, but it is our law and we have to be aware of it. And mind you, this is not a law which only filipinos thought of and promulgated. In fact, it's a part of most constitutions of independent , democratic nations especially the states and uk.

You're right that most likely, the relatives won't even think of prosecuting the shooters, just like with sonny parsons and the leo who shot the greenbelt 5 robbers since, as some of you commented, our justice system is so screwed up.

Wanting to be a responsible gun owner, i tried reading up on our gun laws and i've frequented several sites and the post i made on the first page is one of them.

I found out that in order to be a responsible gun owner, we must never use our firearms in anger or revenge. It is only to be used in the most dire of circumstances since even the criminals are protected by our laws.

I just wanted to propagate this knowledge hoping the members of tsikot will learn from it and keep it in the back of their minds should something like this (heaven forbid) happen to any of us.

The main point here is that we're aware of the law, never talk to reporters or leos immediately after the incident, and call your lawyer asap and let him be the one making the statements.

o, what's up with the attitude?..lawyer?...even the mispelled word of bmw, bothered ka?
Again, if you don't know the first hand info re this, stop na lang pls...nakakahiya, kase most people who were leaving comments here really knew what happened..if you're talking about being a responsible gun owner, this guy did the right thing..and even you, can't say na he's irresponsible...everyone has the divine right to protect yourself and your offspring..speak for yourself na lang...pag nangyari sa yo ito tomorrow, you won't go after your carnappers because you're just scared, dude.
Proguns are happy about this. We have the right to protect ourselves....the law that you were talking about...swallow it, or might as well, just save it for dessert.

[indiej]

knowing is half the battle. the other half? your attorney: will do what's best to help your side of the story.

[redorange]

I've read one case in the UK where the DA wanted to prosecute a woman who killed her rapist with a knife. He was discussing her plea-bargain and said he could lower her suit to homicide if she was willing to plead guilty. The woman refused.

The DA then offered to lower it still to involuntary manslaughter but still she refused and demanded they go to court.

Fortunately the jury found her not guilty.

Did you know that in the US some states would prefer that a woman be raped instead of allowing her to defend herself with a gun?

Really? Since you apparently know these states would you mind posting it here. I'd like to research those particular state laws so if you don't mind posting where you got your information also.

[praetor91313]

My bad on the whole repulsible--REPULSIVE thing....The strokes of the keyboard were faster than expected....

Now now, aren't we exaggerating? Repulsivbe I can understand, but b and l are 3 inches apart and they're not even on the same row/column... well, if that's what you claim, then I have to believe you.

HYPOCRITE-- thanks to merriam-webster dictionary, you are enlightened to what it really means, because YOU are one.


BECAUSE REALLY, … (the rest has been deleted because we all know that writing in all caps is rude)…
So come on, who's really the hypocrite now? I don't really need a gun to defend myself from CARNAPPERS WITH LEGAL RIGHTS... I can just throw my mere SPARTAN slippers at them with great precision, for all I care.

Please read my first post:

Naku,this is what we've been talking about in a Progun site... is this hero criminally liable?

I even said he is a hero. If I were in his shoes I might have done the same thing. My point here is that we should also think of the consequences. I gave posted the penal code so that members of this forum would know and thus make an informed choice should this happed to us in the future.

o, what's up with the attitude?..lawyer?...even the mispelled word of bmw, bothered ka?

I usually make it a point not to correct someone else's grammatical errors since I've had quite a few of them myself, it's just the way he presented it:

Your bitterness against the FORD EXPLORER being expensive and all is repulsible (google this word so you'd relate)

Which I thought asked for a correction.

Again, if you don't know the first hand info re this, stop na lang pls...nakakahiya, kase most people who were leaving comments here really knew what happened

I’m glad that you have first-hand knowledge of this matter. Would you like to enlighten us please? Because contrary to what you’ve said, I believe most posters of this thread have also read this from the papers or heard it on the news. Oh, and another thing: this is a forum—it’s purpose is for the members to share their views and exchange their ideas so telling people to stop commenting is defeating the purpose of a forum.

Proguns are happy about this. We have the right to protect ourselves....the law that you were talking about...swallow it, or might as well, just save it for dessert.

Yes, you’re right. Most of us are proud that our point in allowing responsible citizens to arm themselves and defend their family is showing some very concrete proof. But if you will go through some of the PROGun sites, you’ll notice that we are also trying to discuss the legalities of this issue. After all, we are Peaceful, Responsible Gun owners and being responsible means knowing the law and trying our best to uphold it.

I think I’ve proven my point well enough. This argument is getting personal and ridiculous. If some people can’t open their minds to some of the issues I’ve presented, then I can’t do anything about it and I’m getting tired of repeating myself.

Thanks for reading!

[ghosthunter]

Did you know that in the US some states would prefer that a woman be raped instead of allowing her to defend herself with a gun?

I think you got this wrong.

I think it was one of the UAE countries that would prefer that a woman be raped instead of allowing her to defend herself.

[Monseratto]

It's the Muslim Sharia laws which give little protection to women, including rape. Muslim's view women as second class citizens. They allow women to be stoned to death if someone in her family suspect her of commiting adultery.

[cktlcmd]

I have been a victim of those hold-up gangs when I was visiting here back in high school. But because I kept my wits, none of my belongings nor money were taken. I would not wish this to happen to anyone. Believe me...that was the first time I felt my knees shook from shock and fear. I vowed never again will I feel that helpless! I took body building, self defense classes, arnis classes, heck now I'm into boxing. In a few months, I'll own a gun, would I get second thoughts on defending or pursuing someone who have done this to me or my family? Heck NO! I could care less if they only have a knife. If someone pulls out a knife on me on the street to rob me when I have my gun... I will make sure to shoot the perpetrator on the knees and empty all my bullets to make sure they have to amputate his legs from the knees down.

I don't believe in immediate death nor life long sentences given to killers, murderers, carnappers, kidnappers, corrupt government officials, etc... If I am to give my justice...TORTURE is the key. For me, anyone who committed an inhuman act like that gave up their own right to be treated as such.

[sippy]

I have been a victim of those hold-up gangs when I was visiting here back in high school. But because I kept my wits, none of my belongings nor money were taken. I would not wish this to happen to anyone. Believe me...that was the first time I felt my knees shook from shock and fear. I vowed never again will I feel that helpless! I took body building, self defense classes, arnis classes, heck now I'm into boxing. In a few months, I'll own a gun, would I get second thoughts on defending or pursuing someone who have done this to me or my family? Heck NO! I could care less if they only have a knife. If someone pulls out a knife on me on the street to rob me when I have my gun... I will make sure to shoot the perpetrator on the knees and empty all my bullets to make sure they have to amputate his legs from the knees down.

YOU GOT IT RIGHT!

[praetor91313]

Hello redorange!
I saw this fact presented in one of the progun sites I’ve seen. I admit that it’s a bit of an exaggeration of the law but if you think about it, it seems to be true.

I’ve come across one article where the writer claims:

…Next are the logistical problems of having immediate access to a firearm anytime one needs it. There are many possible solutions to this difficulty, but a woman's options for her unique situation are better discussed with a personal firearms instructor than laid out here.

Finally, we have legal and policy obstacles. Minnesota is one of only 18 states that still do not allow a law-abiding citizen to automatically obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Instead, we must submit to the arbitrary decisions of law enforcement officials as to whether they think our need is sufficiently great.

In other words, whether you think that you need a pistol to protect you is irrelevant; you can be overruled by a police department bureaucrat who doesn't want citizens being responsible for their own safety. In the Twin Cities, permits are generally difficult to obtain, absent a physical disability. Students from other parts of the state might do better applying in their home counties where permits are generally given more liberally. Once issued, permits are valid throughout the state..

read the full article here: [url] http://gunowners.org/wv26.htm[/url]

The last time I’ve heard, Chicago was also pushing for a gun ban. I don’t have a list of states with a gun ban and I don’t think there’s one but what some PROGun advocates in the states are complaining of are the strict requirements which essentially deprives them their 2nd amendment right, as you can deduce from the above article.

[Altis6453]

I have been a victim of those hold-up gangs when I was visiting here back in high school. But because I kept my wits, none of my belongings nor money were taken. I would not wish this to happen to anyone. Believe me...that was the first time I felt my knees shook from shock and fear. I vowed never again will I feel that helpless! I took body building, self defense classes, arnis classes, heck now I'm into boxing. In a few months, I'll own a gun, would I get second thoughts on defending or pursuing someone who have done this to me or my family? Heck NO! I could care less if they only have a knife. If someone pulls out a knife on me on the street to rob me when I have my gun... I will make sure to shoot the perpetrator on the knees and empty all my bullets to make sure they have to amputate his legs from the knees down.

I don't believe in immediate death nor life long sentences given to killers, murderers, carnappers, kidnappers, corrupt government officials, etc... If I am to give my justice...TORTURE is the key. For me, anyone who committed an inhuman act like that gave up their own right to be treated as such.

I was a victim of robbery a few years back and I can only empathize with you. It happened in the very street where I lived and I was so enraged at what happened, I literally ran to my house to get my FA and got back out to hunt those perps down. Luckily or unluckily, I couldn't find them anymore.

They took my office bag, my wallet, cellphone and new (still in the box) PDA.

Their modus? Two of the perps surrounded me with one having a knife to my neck. The other one showed a gun (dunno if it was fake) tucked in his waist.

[HardCharger]

Why is this in the good squad?

Yes, why is this in the goon squad section, shouldn't this be in the thumbs up section?

The laws are screwed up all over the place, here, in the US, and other countries. Where it used to be your right to be able to defend yourself, your family and loved ones, and your property, you now have a lot of things to take into consideration before exercising that right lest you violate the rights of the criminal who had no respect or regard for your rights. Sounds confusing but true.

The bleeding heart liberals always claim that the rights of the criminal are sometimes violated when the victim defends his or her self, but what about the rights of the victims? Do they not matter? This is really sad.

At least in the US, you can carry a sidearm legally. Here, you have to prove that you are in danger BEFORE you can be given a temporary permit to carry a sidearm, even then the conditions that come with that "privilege" are quite restricting. I reckon that if we are all allowed to carry, people will be more patient and willing to work things out since there is always the possibility that the other guy you are dealing with may also have a sidearm.

Then again, this is the Philippines and not everyone is mature enough to handle that responsibility. Not to mention the fact that ayaw magpatalo ang Pinoy.

Since it is difficult to carry legally, a lot of people, most of them bad, resort to carrying firearms illegally and the law abiding people have to suffer the consequences. If carry were legal, I reckon we would see a decrease in illegal fireams.

We have a long ways to go people. Hopefully we will mature as a people sooner rather than later. While things look bleak, I still have a small amount of hope.

[Galactus]

Technically, I'm inclined to side with Praetor, in that the car owner CAN be charged with homicide (or murder), based only on the newspaper report. (There are a lot of caveats here however, so I'm reserving final judgement until after I've read a comprehensive report on the matter.

Anyway, SOP naman dito sa mga pulis natin to file charges muna, and let the fiscal decide on the matter. If you notice, during vehicular accidents, kahit walang kasalanan yung driver, basta nakapatay ng tao (whether pedestrian or another driver), hinuhuli muna at kinakasuhan.

In this specific incident, the way I see it, papatakas na yung mga carnapper, so the car owner saw his chance of getting off several rounds. Malas lang nung isa, natamaan. But there are novel ways of beating the rap. He can always say na tinutukan siya ulit, pero naunahan niya. The perp's dead anyway, and I'm sure the other suspect who survived won't be taking the witness stand anytime soon

Reminds me of a case in NY(?), wherein a cab driver was charged and eventually convicted. The complainant was a hold-up suspect, whom the driver rammed, and as a result, both the robber's knees were broken. Just don't know if the case was civil or criminal in nature. Sure, the do-gooders ranted and raved, but the conviction wasn't reversed to my knowledge.

Just respect each other's opinions, para everybody happy

[praetor91313]

Really? Since you apparently know these states would you mind posting it here. I'd like to research those particular state laws so if you don't mind posting where you got your information also.

Here's another article:

The D.C. law, like laws in Chicago and New York City, doesn't explicitly bar handguns; it requires that all residents register them with the city. Since the city stopped registering handguns in 1976, no one who hadn't registered by then can have a handgun at home. The result, effectively, is a ban. D.C.'s law also bars residents from keeping any other firearm, such as a rifle or a shotgun, loaded or assembled.

Full article here: [url]http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/03/06/a-key-case-on-gun-control.html[/quote]

To tell you the truth, I only quoted that statement from a PROGun poster I downloaded. I never really researched it until you asked, so these articles may already be outdated. Any updates would be welcome though...