Goodbye na sa Imported Second-Hand vehicles

[nugundam93]

huh? are you saying na sa US eh legal ang RHD?

afaik for trackday/race purposes, wala silang problema with RHD vehicles. still no-no though for road use.

[FrankDrebin]

Mas marami bang Pinoy ang makikinabang sa importer ng surplus cars kaysa sa mga local car manufacturer?

OR

Kaya bang saluhin ang Phil economy ng mga importers ng surplus cars kapag nagsara na ang mga local car manufacturers?

[mazdamazda]

their concern is their sales, not public safety.

I think that is within their right as investors here in the country. Imagine that you invest millions of dollars in manufacturing, assembly & spare parts plants... then you would just be displaced by some backyard conversion shop.

The Philippine's market for brand new and second hand vehicles is very small compared to other markets (like the UK) that can afford to take on surplus vehicles. Notice why the price of 2nd hand vehicles here is high compared even to our ASEAN neighbors.

Another thing... the UK can take on Japan surplus since they both drive on the right since LHD conversion is another bloody thing to contend with. Granted that there are some good conversion shops there, but what about other 90% of ex-JDM vehicles out there? Heck, turboawd's 1000hp Skyline was shipped to Dubai for proper LHD conversion.

Buti pa sa U.S. and Canada pwede ka mag-import ng Japan surplus. Hindi mo pa kailangan i-convert to LHD. Naka ex-JDM GEN II Pajero SWB TDi yung kakilala ko sa Canada.

RHD vehicles in the USA? I don't think so... even Bill Gate's Porsche 959 required a special bill for him to legally drive it in the USA.

[kimpOy]

Porsche did not give the NHTSA a test unit (of a 959) for them to test the car for safety kaya hindi pwedeng i drive yun dun...

[slamtaz]

My two cents: hinde lahat ng converted vehicles eh dangerous. Ang problema talaga eh wala dun sa mga converted vehicles - kunde sa mga nag-convert and eventually dun sa mga nagmamaneho.

Bakit? Simple - human factor.

Kahit anong "vintage" ng sasakyan mo pero responsible and knowleadeable vehicle owner ka, alaga yung sasakyan mo at alam mo kung hinde na sya safe. Sa mga nagco-convert naman, kung maayos ang ginawang conversion eh siguradong maayos ang vehicle. Sa mga converted vehicle owners naman, responsible and knowledgeable ownership din nagkakatalo. For example: alam mong sa left ang bukas ng van mo, eh di wag kang magbaba sa mga places na heavy ang vehicle traffic and/or give a warning dun sa mga alighting passengers na tumingin muna sa kaliwa.

Wag nyong sabihing kaya maraming namamatay na motorcycle/scooter riders dahil dangerous yung sasakyan nya? While the motorcycle is more dangerous drive that four wheeled vehicles, kay maraming na-aksidente na motorcycle/scooters eh dahil reckless at irresponsible yung mga riders.

A vehicle, no matter what form or function, is just an ordinary tool. Now, the actual safety of any tool relies on the quality of workmanship nung mga gumagawa and then pag dating sa consumer, the knowledge of the owner on how to responsibly use and maintain the safe operationability of the tool.

pardon me sir, when you said "hindi lahat ng converted vehicles eh dangerous" and kung "maayos ang pag-convert", do you take it to mean that even the stock headlights and windshield wipers of RHD's are also converted for LHD purposes?

kasi po, kung hindi kasama mga ito then i beg to disagree with your point..

please correct me if i'm wrong pero ang pagkakaalam ko po kasi eh iyon lang steering mechanism ang usually ginagawa, and required for LTO registration, sa RHD to LHD conversion in the Philippines.

:peace:

[OTEP]

huh? are you saying na sa US eh legal ang RHD?

RHD vehicles are not illegal in the U.S. You just have to go through red tape and meet the requirements. One of which is the vehicle must be older than 25 years old (15 in Canada). Otherwise, you'd have to go through the whole process of 'federalizing' the vehicle like what they do with the Skylines.

ex-JDM GEN II Pajero TDi with USDM GEN I Vortec Conversion:
There are not off-road only toys. They have license tags and are used as daily drivers. The owner of the ex-JDM Pajero traded in his Mitsubishi Lancer for it.

[uls]

pardon me sir, when you said "hindi lahat ng converted vehicles eh dangerous" and kung "maayos ang pag-convert", do you take it to mean that even the stock headlights and windshield wipers of RHD's are also converted for LHD purposes?

kasi po, kung hindi kasama mga ito then i beg to disagree with your point..

please correct me if i'm wrong pero ang pagkakaalam ko po kasi eh iyon lang steering mechanism ang usually ginagawa, and required for LTO registration, sa RHD to LHD conversion in the Philippines.

:peace:

If that's the case, how about ung mga sariling assembled na sasakyan?

may wiper ba mga yan?

tama ba ang pagsalpak nila ng headlights?

how about ung surplus na steering assembly na gamit nila?

how about ung surplus na hydrovac ng preno na gamit nila?

kompleto ba lahat ng signal lights/park lights/hazard?

it's double standard kung pag-iinitan nila ung mga japan surplus tapos di nila papakialaman ung mga local na di sumusunod sa regulations.

[oliver1013]

Tagal na yang issue na yan. Ala naman ngyari dati. So malamang wala nanaman yan.

[vinkim]

ayos ah. ang sasakyan pingbawalan na maimport pero ang mga basura galing sa japan, dito deretso. wow ang tataba ng utak

[Syuryuken]

Karapatan naman ng mga local car manufacturer yan isipin nyo na lang multi billion yung investment nila. Kelangan din nilang pangalagaan ang kanilang negosyo. Napakalaki pa ng tax na binabayaran nila. Ilagay nyo ang sarili nyo sa katayuan nila sigurado magrereklamo din kayo.

Paano pa natin maeengganyong magtayo ng planta ang mga ibang car manufacturer dito kung pinapabayaan ng gobyerno natin na makapasok ang mga imported na sasakyan. Kung dadami ang car manufacturer sigurado bababa din ang presyo mas marami ng makakabili ng mga brand new na sasakyan at hindi na 2nd hand na imported/converted.

[badsekktor]

naku kawawa naman yun mga small scale businesses saka yun mga nasa trucking business pati na rin construction, pati na rin transportation business, pati na rin yun mga nag-oofer ng tours... di ba mostly mga second hand surplus mga truck, bus, heavy equipments ang kinukuha ng mga importers? ngayon lang naman umusbong ang second hand na vans, suv's, cars.... hmmm ayaw ng mga car dealers ng kakumpitensya??? parang mali yata ah... kung safety ang reason, they should inspect every vehicle being registered at the LTO meticulously and not impose another runaround legislative action... Di ba trabaho ng LTO yun?

[Syuryuken]

Tama ka dyan kapatid direktang matatamaan talaga ang mga small scale businesses.

Yung brand new na bus nga daw 6M pataas na pero yung galing ng Korea 400K lang.

[alwayz_yummy]

sinu bang tatangi sa bago? kung magkasing presyo/matters of 10-100 thou difference lang ng bago sa importyed na surplus, with a wide variety of choice, saan ka?

pero kung ang local ay bare na halos, at 2-3x the price of a grade a japan specimen, aba sa surplus na ako, pera ko eto, pinaghirapan, at siyempre saan ako, siyempre sa CASH na!

and dont tell me na may installment, kung gusto at kaya mo magbayad ng monthly w/ interest, pwes ako hindi.

maiipit nito kaming mga pinoy na gusto magkasasakyan pero limitado ang budget...saan kami? may surplus nga pinoy, pero amin ko, maslaspag pa gumamit ang pinoy kaysa sa mga hapon!

[alwayz_yummy]

edit: double post because of lag

[gearspeed]

Wahhh lagot paano yung ek ko converted pa naman yun..

[nicolodeon]

pardon me sir, when you said "hindi lahat ng converted vehicles eh dangerous" and kung "maayos ang pag-convert", do you take it to mean that even the stock headlights and windshield wipers of RHD's are also converted for LHD purposes?

kasi po, kung hindi kasama mga ito then i beg to disagree with your point..

please correct me if i'm wrong pero ang pagkakaalam ko po kasi eh iyon lang steering mechanism ang usually ginagawa, and required for LTO registration, sa RHD to LHD conversion in the Philippines.

:peace:

Kapatid, like what I said: depende. May mga nagco-convert din naman na full conversion ang ginagaw using the proper equipment/conversion kits. Yung isa sa sasakyan ko eh converted [b]pero[b] hinde lang conversion sa steering ang ginawa: pati headlights at wiper orientation. Pang ilalim nun, pang 1st gen Pajero na hinde pang JDM - pang local market.

Ang akin lang eh yung vehicle per se hinde inherently dangerous: nagiging dangerous sya kung hinde naco-convert ng properly, safely and securely. Tapos, pag dumating na sa kamay ng consumer, yung hinde pagmamaneho ng tama by using common sense, defensive driving, obeying the law and taking in mind hinde lang yung safety nya at ng mga sakay nya kundi yung mga sasakyan at tao sa paligid nya.

What I'm saying is this: it is the manner how man designs tools, manufactures tools and eventually use tools that make the tool dangerous.

Anyway, OT na ako.

[GasJunkie]

And since almost all men are stupid might as well take away his dangerous toys.











Edit sucks when good drivers are in the minority.



Edit2 efficient public transport for all.

[alwayz_yummy]

cases na tumaob na delica starwagon 4wd or hilux/lc70 prado.. natanong ba why tumaob? baka hinahataw ung sasakyan, then clip-turn! mga sanay sa kotse, ngayon palang nakpagdrive ng 4wds na matataas...now tumaob, sisisihin ang sasakyan.

and aparently, 99% masmabilis at masmaganda manakbo ang properly converted and maintained JDM kaysa sa local counterpart nito!

kung pinagbabawal ang 2nd hand imports dapat, ipagbawal na LAHAT ng JEEP, BUS, AT ASSEMBLED NA SASAKYAN as they also "threats to safety".

malaki lang talaga nabayad ng kung sinu man nagpanukala nyang stupid bill na din nayan...

[GasJunkie]

Yummy envelopes on the way...












Edit chill

[nicolodeon]

BTT na ako: Ako, wala akong kinakampihan. On the side of automotive manufacturers, yes - karapatan nila na i-protect ang investments nila and when this law is implemented, they sales may go up. Whay did I use the word "may"? Kasi walang namang assurance na tataas ang vehicle sales nila eh when this law is passed. Admit it: mas maraming may may-ari ng 2nd hand vehicles compared sa brand new. Bakit? Kase mas maraming hinde (pa) kayang bumili ng brand new. I said "pa" kase hinde naman natin alam ang magiging financial future nila. Kasi, in my personal opinion, kung ang lahat ng motorista na may 2nd hand/converted vehicles at kung ang lahat ng taong gustong magka sasakyan eh kayang bimile ng bago abay puro cars less than three years old ang makikita natin sa roads ngayon.

It's like this. Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot (take note: a lot, hinde ko sinasabing lahat) of the people who buy converted SUVs or vans are consumers who are the the middle income and upper-middle income bracket. Most of them don't have enough resources to buy the SUV or van that they like. Bakit? Kase kulang budget nila. So what do they do? They get converted SUVs or vans. Now, with this argument comes the question? "Bakit na lang hinde bumili ng 2nd hand na dito sa 'Pinas gawa?" Most of the time ang answer eh pera pa rin: di ba mas mahal ang 2nd hand na Pajero na dito gawa compared sa Subic converted Pajero?

Okay, maaring sabihin ng marami sa atin na mag-ipon na lang muna tas tsaka bumili. Good point pero may mga issues din dito. For example, hinde ganun kadaling mag-ipon ng malaking halaga lalo na pag wala kang extra income or maliit lang ang extra income mo. By that time na nakaipon ang pobre, manghinayang syang bitawan ang ganun kalaking halaga lalo na pag may identified sya na mas pressing need. So, what does the person do? Hinde na sya bibili. Kung minsan, naka-ipon nga pero matagal naman ang inabot, say ten years, aba'y baka by that time eh yung mabibili lang ng naipon nya dilapitated or very old vehicle na lang.

Ako, I earn good pero I don't have the capacity to buy a new vehicle - atsaka ang tingen ko sa vehicle eh liability, hinde asset. So what am I doing with a motor vehicle? It's, unfortunately, a necessary liability in these times for me - and for a lot of us. My vehicle doesn't earn me money. In fact, loosing ako sa kanya kase gastos ka ng gastos pagpapagawa tas nag-de-depricate lagi ang value.

Anyways, for me - hinde pa rin solusyon ang pag ban ng Subic converted vehicles sa pag increase ng sales ng mga car manufacturers locally. Kahit i-ban pa ng government ang pag-benta at pag-bili ng 2nd hand vehicles na gawa sa 'Pinas, hinde pa rin tataas ng ganun ang sales ng mga car manufacturers dito sa 'tin - kase malaking porsyento ng motoring public eh walang pangbile ng bago.