The All New Ford Eco-Sport

[AG4]

Does a car can take potholes as good as a crossover? Is the innova has a better nvh?

The EcoSport is a crossover and it was designed to tackle potholes, rough country roads and wade through 550mm of water.

Here's a video of the EcoSport when it was being tested/evaluated.
Middle of the video shows the suspension and water wading test.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ibLYIaK5d8"]Novo EcoSport 2013 - Todos os detalhes - YouTube[/ame]

[AG4]

I think the Ecosport is not a SUV. Its a Crossover. Its different with the SUV. It drives better than a car & the innova but can't beat the SUVs (Sorento, RAV4, Montero, Fortuner). But still, it could be better than a car if you'll not be comparing it to Camry, Accord, etc. It feels like a Fiesta with better height. The primary selling point of the Ecosport is its ride height. It is an URBAN crossover.

The EcoSport drives & handles well for a tall vehicle, but obviously the Fiesta its based on which has a lower center of gravity and a lighter weight will still drive and handle better.
The EcoSport is a B-segment crossover SUV. It actually has a 4WD version in Brazil, they decided not to manufacture that model in Asia due to the low demand for 4WD models in the small crossover segment and poorer fuel consumption figures since the 4WD model is powered by the old 2.0 Duratec engine with no variable valve timing.
The EcoSport's other selling point is its 550mm water wading capability which is higher than most other small crossovers. Aside from the 200mm ground clearance, they were able to do this by placing the electrical components (including the car horn) high in the engine bay.

I chose the MT due to issues with the Powershift AT. Will be keeping the unit for a long time. Don't want to have headaches in the future. Although I really wanted an AT.

The Powershift transmission's shifting has been improved (software upgrades), its basically the same one in the Fiesta. For feedback, there are many EcoSport owners at the FCP forums.
Go for the MT. Best pick for me is the P825K Trend MT model.
I'd go for a MT is because I enjoy doing my own shifting, all the cars in my family have always been MT models.

If I had a little more budget, I'd rather chose the Tucson since its below 1.1M.

Last time I checked the base Tucson only had 1 airbag. Does the 2014 model have more features?
The EcoSport has dual airbags and ABS across the range, while Powershift models come with ESP (electronic stability program).

[curiosus]

Can anyone clarify what exactly is the issue with Ecosport Powershift AT?

[AG4]

Can anyone clarify what exactly is the issue with Ecosport Powershift AT?

What some people are complaining about is not necessarily about the Powershift on the new EcoSport which has updated software.
Some poeple have automatically associated the "Powershift" name with jerky shifting and gear hunting (shifts up and down quickly) at low speeds which were issues more evident on earlier Powershift models specially for people more accustomed to driving traditional torque converter automatics.
Ford has been making incremental changes through software upgrades.

[fiber_optic]

For my 3 days of use of Ecosport A/T I haven't experienced the sudden shifts and the like. What I experience is the delay in power. I don't know if it's something to do with the throttle or with the engine itself. Maybe it's underpower. But I checked the power-to-ratio at 92bhp per ton with a curb weight of 1,268kg, I feel there's no problem with it. So I suspect the problem is the transmission. Can M/T owners give feedbacks on this? Thanks


fiber_optic

[eduarte]

maganda ba tong ford eco sport? im planning to buy kasi

[AG4]

maganda ba tong ford eco sport? im planning to buy kasi

Best thing to do is check it out and go for a test drive, that's what I did when it was launched.
If I were in the market for a small vehicle i'd seriously consider one (Trend MT).

[CVT]

Does a car can take potholes as good as a crossover? Is the innova has a better nvh?

Powershift do really have a problem. Don't need to wait & see.

Reason why MT is a better option.

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If you're talking about potholes,- then taller vehicles like the SUV and the other big ones definitely have the advantage.

But if you are talking about the drive,- then do not mislead the crowd here, please.

NVH - you are now spawning the discussion. (Honestly, I did not pay attention to this when I test drove the Ecosport - but we will see later....)

Hey, for P800K/P900K,- you have a feel of the ride height and the features (for under a million),- so go for it!


“Familiarity breeds awe”
23.4K:nerves:

[Izzie]

Can anyone clarify what exactly is the issue with Ecosport Powershift AT?

Ford's letter regarding the "PowerShift 6 Speed Operating Characteristics" - Focus Fanatics

[CVT]

For my 3 days of use of Ecosport A/T I haven't experienced the sudden shifts and the like. What I experience is the delay in power. I don't know if it's something to do with the throttle or with the engine itself. Maybe it's underpower. But I checked the power-to-ratio at 92bhp per ton with a curb weight of 1,268kg, I feel there's no problem with it. So I suspect the problem is the transmission. Can M/T owners give feedbacks on this? Thanks
fiber_optic

Bro,- I think you just have to live with the delay-in-power issue of this ride for A/T variants.... That is the first impression I had with this ride..... Kind of annoying,- but no big deal in city pointA to pointB driving....

Ford's letter regarding the "PowerShift 6 Speed Operating Characteristics" - Focus Fanatics

Thanks for sharing. Am monitoring the "issue" as the A/T variant could be one of our candidates in the next few months.


“Familiarity breeds awe”
23.4K:nerves:

[justin27]

If you're talking about potholes,- then taller vehicles like the SUV and the other big ones definitely have the advantage.

But if you are talking about the drive,- then do not mislead the crowd here, please.

NVH - you are now spawning the discussion. (Honestly, I did not pay attention to this when I test drove the Ecosport - but we will see later....)

Hey, for P800K/P900K,- you have a feel of the ride height and the features (for under a million),- so go for it!


“Familiarity breeds awe”
23.4K:nerves:

Of course, SUVs are better as I mentioned. Right? So, are cars better than the crossover on potholes?

Kindly define "drive". So that everyone's on the same page.This may be subjective & different from person to person. "Feel" might also be different.

Ford is offering an extended warranty with a price of course. If you're in doubt with the AT but still got it, you might consider this though clarify with them if the transmission is really included.

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[LouieR]

Wow... I'm really glad I came here. Long-time member of Tsikot but inactive.

We bought an Ecosport 2 months ago and we were really happy with it. But then we started having difficulty in stop and go traffic. One time I even nearly threw up because the drive was so uneven. During gitgitan we would either accelerate very fast or really be thrown forward when braking because the transmission would suddenly downshift. I even brought it to Ford last week so they can tell me if there is something wrong with the car.

They were puzzled by it too. They said that the car should have adjusted to our driving styles by now. They also offered to recalibrate the software. Marami raw silang similar problem sa Fiesta dati and they solved it by upgrading the software.

After reading Ford's letter, I realize what's happening now. Frst, we did a lot of highway driving initially. So the car must have thought we did that a lot. Then, there are four of us driving the car. So, I think it keeps trying to adjust.

The good news is, in the past two days, we noticed that we have been having smoother drives. Maybe we're either learning to drive it better or it is adjusting to us.

No one told us there is a break-in period. I thought that concept had long gone with new cars. This whole "car adjusting to the driver" concept is crazy. It becomes a moving target. Car adjusts, you try to adjust, then someone else tries to drive the car, car adjusts again and so on... Patay.

Now, I'm wondering if I should have the software reset. Bale, back to zero.

What do you guys think?

[jirehroimendoza]

^ I think you have two choices, reset it back to zero or no one else drives your car. 😄

[LouieR]

^ I think you have two choices, reset it back to zero or no one else drives your car. 😄

Thanks but having this car for only one member of the family is not an option. With number-coding and everything, just planning who gets what car is a major discussion for us every day.

Grrrr... I wish I had known all of these before I bought the car.

[justin27]

Thanks but having this car for only one member of the family is not an option. With number-coding and everything, just planning who gets what car is a major discussion for us every day.

Grrrr... I wish I had known all of these before I bought the car.

This is the current issue of the AT although software upgrades were installed to resolve this. Reason why MT is still the better choice for Ford. CVTs are much better today. The cvt that Honda first used had problems that's why they returned to the conventional AT. Its like the technology was still fresh & early to be released. With Ford, they are constantly improving the technology though the transmission should be included on the warranty if ever it needs to be brought down.

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[L1quid]

Parang mali, hindi po ba DCT ang gamit ng powershift ng ford, not CVT?

[fiber_optic]

Parang mali, hindi po ba DCT ang gamit ng powershift ng ford, not CVT?

Yup! DCT (dual clutch transmission) vs. CVT (continuous variable transmission)

DCT is supposedly a response to what Porsches have, the PDK or Porsche Doppelkupplung (double clutch). But Ford still has a long way to go near with Porsche's technology. At least, you can say Ford's DCT is similar to that of Porsches. In writing lang. Hehehe



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[fiber_optic]

This is the current issue of the AT although software upgrades were installed to resolve this. Reason why MT is still the better choice for Ford. CVTs are much better today. The cvt that Honda first used had problems that's why they returned to the conventional AT. Its like the technology was still fresh & early to be released. With Ford, they are constantly improving the technology though the transmission should be included on the warranty if ever it needs to be brought down.

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Honda City is back again with CVT with their new model. I wonder why.


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[3GEMS]

AFAIK mag shudder, jerk and clanky noise ng DCT happens on scenario like on traffic from stop 1st gear mag roll ka going to second gear but before magkapagshift si DCT to second gear nag stop ka ulit, dun nababaliw si DCT, nalilito siya hehe, thou tingen ko dapat driver ang mag adjust para hindi maulol yung DCT ... based on my own experience lang...


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[LouieR]

AFAIK mag shudder, jerk and clanky noise ng DCT happens on scenario like on traffic from stop 1st gear mag roll ka going to second gear but before magkapagshift si DCT to second gear nag stop ka ulit, dun nababaliw si DCT, nalilito siya hehe, thou tingen ko dapat driver ang mag adjust para hindi maulol yung DCT ... based on my own experience lang...


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Yan mismo ang nararanasan namin.

Pero, sa ibang kotse naman namin, hindi ganun. Madaling sabihin na dapat mag-adjust ang driver pero kapag ginigitgit ka na ng mga jeep, paano bigay na lang ng bigay kasi sobrang high-tech ang kotse?

Mabuti pa yung walang compu-computer.