Proper Way of Using Engine Brake...

[miko101130]

hahaha.... i agree with ry_tower... depende sa real world conditions kung anung gagamitin mo na style to effectively brake safely or brake economically...

kasi kung galing ka sa top tapos mag dedescent ka, it obvious na before reaching the area where you will actually start to descent, that you will be already in low speed low gear...alangan naman pagbaba mo eh ang tulin mo at mataas gear mo, eh malamang malaglag o madisgrasya ka...

kung sobrang layo nang distance nang descent, being in first gear or second gear for a long descent won't destroy your engine...... UNLESS you are overloading the vehicle... and unless your engine has an inherent defect...

there is a place in palawan called Lanugan... that area killed so many drivers and passengers way back 10-15 years ago...
the major factor why accidents happen is because of drivers error and poorly maintained vehicle....

the area has no place to prepare for an ascent... meh siko agad mahaba yung kurbada approaching the long ascent,, drivers dangerously went up the long ascending road on high gear,, iniisip nila na sapat momentum nila mula sa baba, ayaw mag siguro, eh overloaded, ayun pag bumagal na takbo dahil matarik na saka nila i-shift down and gear, malamang hindi papasok, so mabibitin, then dahan dahan nang aatras... a vehicle is harder or almost impossible to brake when rolling backwards..(try niyo hehe..)

so yun malaglag ang sasakyan sa bangin...

pag baba ka naman at alam expected mo yung terrain o gradient nang road, always be on the safe side, low gear na agad then surely but consistently apply brakes in cycles... so that meh time to cool off ang brakes and the weight is never solely on the braking system to stop...

if naka pag slow down ka na at prepare, pag engine brake mo hindi dapat mag rev sa redline or close to redline yan,,,

proper preparation sa gearing, tip-top brake condition, and good anticipation, there will be no problems....

[miked]

^baka kasi puro Isuzu ang mga sasakyan noon.

napansin ko lang mas wider ang gearing ng toyota/mitsubishi vs sa isuzu. busy ka parati sa transmission ng isuzu.

regarding sa topic: proper gearing lang ang sagot ko jan. on curves i do not apply the brakes. shift down before the curve, maintain speed then accelerate out of the curve para magbite yung tires but not too much so as to cause a spin.

sa downhill, nirerevmatch ko rin para smooth ang engagement at hindi magvibrate ng husto ang driveline. no problem using the handbrake as long as gradual hindi abrupt engagement.

uphills, laro sa apoy yang momentum style. karamihan sa mga jeepney drivers hanggang ngayon ganyan ang estilo. saka na lang ishift to low gear kapag di na kaya. safer pa rin yun proper gearing. i.e. shift to appropriate low gear before climbing.

[miko101130]

^baka kasi puro Isuzu ang mga sasakyan noon.

napansin ko lang mas wider ang gearing ng toyota/mitsubishi vs sa isuzu. busy ka parati sa transmission ng isuzu.

Sir miked, matatawa ka pag nakita mo road conditions nun sa palawan... no match off-roading na ginagawa ngayon mga trails d2 sa luzon...

i remember meron goverment service nun parents ko na gamit nila papunta sa malalayong lugar, that was 1970s-80s...
Land Cruiser na straight 6 gas, its the only vehicle that can climb those hellish roads, sobrang tarik tapos parang chocolate ang lupa sa tindi putik.. i remember may power take off pa yun na built in winch... wahaha...

when im there pag vacation sa palawan gamit ko everest namin na gen1 at suzuki vitara ... pag punta ako farm namin yung kalsada eh daanan nang kalabaw.. haha... grabe kahirap dumaan pag tag ulan,, dun ako natutu proper timing nang gearing sa pababang road tapos putik pa... pag mali ka braking and shifting ma stuck sa mud o kya maiipit sa bato... wahahaha...

[renzo_d10]

Not in any way connected with Ry_Tower's arguments but I've read somewhere that the handbrakes can indeed help you stop the vehicle. Although yes there's still the chance that it would lock your brakes but it can aid you putting your vehicle to a halt when you lose your brakes.

Said in the stated post is the "push button" on the handbrake lever shouldn't be let go of if ever you're using it while in motion and pull the lever up one click at a time

It's pretty obvious, though that if you pull the handbrake lever without being cautious about it, you'd spin out. But with proper knowledge, and at a proper speed.. everything should turn out fine.. well maybe some wear on certain components but that would probably be it.

[Bin Diesel]

Naexperience ko na from tagaytay going to the lake sobrang steep ng pababa ng bundok sa kalagitnaan nag start na mag fade brakes ko. When i was able to slow the car significantly inilagay ko sa 2 yung gear tapos slow down pa ulit hanggang maka full stop. A very scary experience kaya mula noon I always practice proper engine braking.

[miked]

kung hindi lang kasi 3rd world pinas eh uso na rin siguro dito exhaust brakes.

[Ry_Tower]

kung hindi lang kasi 3rd world pinas eh uso na rin siguro dito exhaust brakes.

yup, that is one effective brakes used by big trucks.

Sir miked, matatawa ka pag nakita mo road conditions nun sa palawan... no match off-roading na ginagawa ngayon mga trails d2 sa luzon...

i remember meron goverment service nun parents ko na gamit nila papunta sa malalayong lugar, that was 1970s-80s...
Land Cruiser na straight 6 gas, its the only vehicle that can climb those hellish roads, sobrang tarik tapos parang chocolate ang lupa sa tindi putik.. i remember may power take off pa yun na built in winch... wahaha...

when im there pag vacation sa palawan gamit ko everest namin na gen1 at suzuki vitara ... pag punta ako farm namin yung kalsada eh daanan nang kalabaw.. haha... grabe kahirap dumaan pag tag ulan,, dun ako natutu proper timing nang gearing sa pababang road tapos putik pa... pag mali ka braking and shifting ma stuck sa mud o kya maiipit sa bato... wahahaha...

Talo ka pa sa kalabaw, kumakain pa habang nagbibiyahe. hehehe

[gearhead000]

hahaha.... i agree with ry_tower... depende sa real world conditions kung anung gagamitin mo na style to effectively brake safely or brake economically...

kasi kung galing ka sa top tapos mag dedescent ka, it obvious na before reaching the area where you will actually start to descent, that you will be already in low speed low gear...alangan naman pagbaba mo eh ang tulin mo at mataas gear mo, eh malamang malaglag o madisgrasya ka...

kung sobrang layo nang distance nang descent, being in first gear or second gear for a long descent won't destroy your engine...... UNLESS you are overloading the vehicle... and unless your engine has an inherent defect...
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pag baba ka naman at alam expected mo yung terrain o gradient nang road, always be on the safe side, low gear na agad then surely but consistently apply brakes in cycles... so that meh time to cool off ang brakes and the weight is never solely on the braking system to stop...

if naka pag slow down ka na at prepare, pag engine brake mo hindi dapat mag rev sa redline or close to redline yan,,,

proper preparation sa gearing, tip-top brake condition, and good anticipation, there will be no problems....

sa haba-haba ng binasa ko sa thread, eto na yata pinaka-rational post. proper braking is really a combination of tools and techniques that are available to you. like if going downhill, you don't just rely on engine braking to slow you down, but it can be your main means of doing so. kasi you run the risk of brake fade if nakababad ka sa brake pedal. on normal city (or highway) driving naman, you can still utilize engine braking, but only sparingly relative sa use of the main brakes to control vehicle deceleration.

kung hindi lang kasi 3rd world pinas eh uso na rin siguro dito exhaust brakes.

in some first world countries naman, like Canada, use of engine brake is restricted. when we were there, we were discussing about why it has to be so. it was mainly for the compression type of engine brakes pala, though it wasn't clearly indicated in the road signs.

[miked]

sa haba-haba ng binasa ko sa thread, eto na yata pinaka-rational post. proper braking is really a combination of tools and techniques that are available to you. like if going downhill, you don't just rely on engine braking to slow you down, but it can be your main means of doing so. kasi you run the risk of brake fade if nakababad ka sa brake pedal. on normal city (or highway) driving naman, you can still utilize engine braking, but only sparingly relative sa use of the main brakes to control vehicle deceleration.



in some first world countries naman, like Canada, use of engine brake is restricted. when we were there, we were discussing about why it has to be so. it was mainly for the compression type of engine brakes pala, though it wasn't clearly indicated in the road signs.

i mean exhaust not engine braking. maingay kasi makina kapag nage-engine brake. sabagay yung exhaust brake eh usually sa trucks with big engines ang application. siguro yung mga Fuso, giga, similar sized trucks meron na ito dito sa pinas lalo na yung mga surplus trucks.

actually dito sa pinas given 3rd world technology, hindi naman talaga engine brake ang technical term kung titignan mo yung valve train lalo na kung diesel kasi hindi naman throttled ang diesel engine. yung gear ratios ng transmission kumbaga ang nagcocontrol ng speed (somehow making an effect similar to engine brakes). sa gas engine, pwede dahil throttled ang intake manifold nito.

[james00112233]

paano naman i-apply ang engine break sa mga A/T na engine ngayon?

[kapitan88]

paano naman i-apply ang engine break sa mga A/T na engine ngayon?

shift ka sa 3, or 2 or L. depende sa takbo.

[miko101130]

kung meh hold button yung auto kagaya sa everest, pwede din yung hindi yung mag uupshift...
or sa mga gate type na automatic transmission lagay mo sa buttom gears, yung 2 o L...

[RustyXIII]

Masyado ka nagbabasa nito ah, halos nakopya mo pa yung reply ng isa.

Use of handbrake on downhill - Australian Land Rover Owners
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Real life experience is better and the type of vehicle and road is also a factor in using hand brake sometimes during a long downhill descent. Mahirap yung nage-generalize kasi eh (BTW they are talking about LR's in that forum). Tignan mo yung ibang posts dyan, nakatulong din yung hand brake since the normal brakes are starting to fade na due to heat. Just do this on a stright downhill para wala yung potential of a lock-up.

Really?! You dug up a 6-year-old thread to reply to a year-old post. Wow...

[Ry_Tower]

Really?! You dug up a 6-year-old thread to reply to a year-old post. Wow...

Nagkataon na nabuhay eh. Pinost ko na lang yung nabasa ko. Sakto.