Has anyone heard of GTOil / NOW12? Is this a scam?

[ehnriko]

And the answer to the title of this thread is.... No!

[miko101130]

publish the technical specs para magka alaman...

[miko101130]

it should be objective, not testimonial based.... it should follow the international standards for testing

testimonials are anecdotal and could be manipulated and cannot be duplicated.
scientific data is repeatable and conclusive.

# The Thin Film Oxygen Uptake Test (TFOUT)
# The High Temperature/High Shear Test
# The NOACK Volatility Test
# The Pour Point Test
# Total Base Number (TBN)
# The Cold Crank Simulator Test
# The Four-Ball Wear Test (important)
# OIL analysis

if the product can show the results of these test then i would say its not a scam... for now its a scam till proven..

[renzo_d10]

Popcorn mode. Please don't lock this yet, I am enjoying.

:popcorn:

[johnnhol]

wala akong alam tungkol sa mga technicalities about anang oil.. maski kanang sakyanan.. pero marami na akong nakitang magandang ginawa nyang oil na yan.. subukan nyo nlng kahit kayo di nyo ma.eexplain kung anong meron sa oil na to. sa mga nka gamit na ng oil na to kagaya ko. tatawanan lang nila tong claim ninyo na scam. hehe. peace..

[dvldoc]

Hi GH and DevilDoc, nice to cross paths with you guys again... It's been a while since I had an intellectually healthy exchange or conversation.

To Chuwa riwap, Yes I have been fooled many times in the past - so all the more reason why I am against Scammers (Makes Sense! - LOGIC) (and yes I have an Aquarium at home also).

If you notice - you will observe a pattern or signature which is similar to all of them. They all force you to eat something which is bad for your stomach.

Dapat Objective ang tao para hindi mawala ang respeto sa kanya ng kanyang kapwa.

I did a little investigation on this Atty. Allan Latras... He was trolling in Istorya.net, He got all the information about GTO from them which is privelege info so to speak.

He insulted the product and the people in that thread many times, he got an arrogant answer from gtoil since he was pretending to pose as a big buyer (bulk order).

GTO and its supporters do not need big corp. nor big money to get this thing out in the market... even tri media is not among the tools to distribute this. It is also not forced to people...

A old Nissan Sentra in America was treated with GTO, it was brought for emissions test, they told him that he had to drive 100 miles more because they cannot read any Carbon reading.

A Kawasaki Brutus also registered Zero Emissions in Tagum City where all 2 stroke Motorbikes were already banned by LTO... but since this was an exception, they got it registered.

An old Honda CRX travelled 5,120.9 miles in America Coast to coast visiting 19 states from Nevada to California, and the states in between up to New Jersey - without an oil change. The car wasn't used for a year before the road trip, then it was treated with 2 GTO's, spark plugs were cleaned (not replaced), a vorxin and a super7 KML coil were also installed... after 2 days, it hit the road driven solo. Averaging 40 Miles to a gallon.

A Taxi Cab in India was treated with GTO, it had a leaking gasket and lost oil, the driver drove it for 250km without oil... no damage happened to the engine.

These are just some of the thousands of testimonies we have gathered, we got tired of documenting them due to the overwhelming volume.

Walang pilitan dito... It was never intended to be even discussed in tsikot.com - I have told even the supporters not to go in this site out of respect.

Ika nga, merong mga negosyong dapat proteksyonan dito at hindi dapat guluhin o pakialaman.

With regards to Attorney Allan Atras, Binabastos niya yung mga GTO users since last year, pinapalamapas lang namin. But branding this green underground movement as a Scam is stirring the hornets nest so to speak.

First of all, wala kaming pinipilit sa kahit kanino man. Walang pilitan at Walang Bastusan ng trip ikanga.

LIVE and LET LIVE -

Before anyone talks Bullshit about GTO - let them try it first. If you haven't tried it - You have absolutely no right to talk ****.

Meron bang Scam na worth P770.00 in exchange for a bottle of GTO and an ATM Card outright? Attend a seminar, watch the video of the presentation - try the product, get hold of the RCBC ATM Card - then observe - THEN COMMENT.

That's the protocol.

ok...

Just to give you some info to my old buddies...

We are being scheduled already by DOST for ETV test protocol (FULL TEST on Diesel and Gas, Ordinary Oil and Synthetic) Baseline then GTO Treated. It will cost money - but the quest for Truth was never cheap nor easy. Yes this is for the ETV.

Any person who will try to sabotage or detract this movement will be considered a block in the path. I'm sorry Attorney Latras, but you need to do the apology - NOT ME nor the rest of the GTO community.

Kung katulad mo lahat ng abogado sa Pilipinas... mauubos ang kwarta ng kabang yaman ng bansa sa kakaimpeach sa inyong lahat or disbarment.

The Robe does not make the monk! Wag mo ibandera ang Diploma mo - It will not add to Character.

GTO has been able to put food on the tables of more than 20,000 families already - so don't Mess with us.

I hope my point is made clear.

Haha I love testimonials they are the trademark of a scam product.

Show 1 single engine oil analysis of this product in oil or provide a simple MSDS guess what you can't period. Members that read this forum know testimonials means it's a CON!

The other thing that makes it utterly ridiculous is they are linking oil directly to emissions vs fuel. If your going to do a scam at least do one that makes sence. They clearly do not know how the internal combustion engine works and what actually lowers hydrocarbon emissions. The only way to lower hydrocarbon emissions is to reduce tempurature in the combustion chamber either accomplished buy a less restrictive exhaust, better flowing internals such as intakes, heads, ect. Or of course water injection which is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to do it. The other is to have a more complete burn of your fuel, None of this has to do with your oil. We are not burning oil we are burning fuel. If your oil is leaking past the ring to the point it can effect your engine than your engine needs repair.

Are you stating this magic fluid enter the combustion chamber in sufficient amounts to effect emissions?? And some how a small 4oz or 6oz bottle in 5 liters of oil has a significant ppm to effect anything LOL seriously you guys got to learn how a engine works before you start throwing up testimonials.

Please explain how a oil filter made from Cellulose (which is paper) can last forever and not break down due to a additive. It's a matter of fact that due to the basic chemicals in oil and heat it will break down. I know for a fact you do not know what is in oil nor does anyone selling that product or how a oil filter works.

Lets bust this claim down logically.

9. How does the filter not get clogged?

The oil filter has carbon deposit sediments already attached to it. GTOil melts/ dissolves and liquifies this. When these turns into nano particles too small to filter they become liquid again. You may check your oil filters after 6 months and see for yourselves.

First of all not all particles are caught by the oil filter, those are the ones that are normally 5 to 1 microns which also cause wear if your using a cheap filter like a VIC it's not even getting the 20 micron stuff efficiently.

So this product claims it is a strong enough solvent to dissolve all particles in your oil, metallic and non metallic such as carbon but has no effect on the paper element in the filter (say what?) Paper is stronger than carbon? stronger than aluminum, iron, copper, nickel. Your saying this product is strong enough to dissolve all these but has no effect on paper. Do you realize how crazy that sounds even to a child.

It's can't be a lubricant and a solvent my friend that's a simple concept I hope you can understand. Please educate yourself on this stuff because your really getting owned badly on this thread.

7. Will I increase torque and horsepower?

Relatively yes.

Show me a dyno sheet with your proof. Of course you don't have one to show because it's a testimonial.

Lastly this crap is not sold in the U.S, and thanks to the FTC (look it up if you don't know what it is) Now has laws on the books to keep false claims like this from being advertised. This company would be banned quicker than you could say Testimonial.

Now you tried to do play on emotions thing, not going to work here, Lets talk about families. You want people to buy a product that in no way shape of form can do what it says you have zero lab testing, engine wear testing, dyno proof, or real before and after emissions test you can show. So you are selling a product that is causing people to damage there engines and risk there safety, cost them money on repairs just so some scam artist can make a buck.

Do you know what the TBN in oil means (Total Base Number) do you know about the fact oil gets acidic over time and this number drops and anything 1 or lower means it's no longer good. Your product is not a acid neutralizer, solvent, and superl ubricant with magical friction modifiers that will out perform ZINC, Phosphorus or Moly. I know you don't know what any of those are or there function in oil and that's the problem. Even if you add 1000's of ppm back into the oil the oil will still become acidic over time due to contaminates in the oil. If you dislove carbon guess what it's still carbon. Can your product change the chemical composition of particles in oil but somehow leave paper untouched.


This is no better than the whole HHO scam. If you can't give a clear scientific explanation of how the product is supposed to work then why reply. why defend it.

And lastly the Devil will remit to any board member 2000P to compensate you for your time and cost to buy this product and send it off to any of these oil analysis labs in Manila and post up the results.

Oh snap no he didn't, Oh yes I did.


CRE Laboratory - Oil Analysis

PTT Philippines Corporation

[chua_riwap]

^ ayan na sila.......
expect more "new" tsikot members.

[dvldoc]

Well looks like I don't have to wait for a Oil analysis they did one for me and proved what I already knew. It's just a ultra huge slug of Zinc and Phosphorus at levels that far exceed what you should have in your vehicle. Zinc over 2500ppm can cause damage as well as phosphorus and this stuff will wreck your Catalytic convert on a gas vehicle very shortly.

The fact they posted this on their own blog clearly shows the lack of knowledge about oil and how it works. This is the scariest Used oil Analysis I have ever seen. This engine is going to need to be rebuilt before to long.

Critical valuse.

Total Acid number 8.0 (Good god!)

Iron 54ppm OMG!

Copper 140ppm Holy crap!

Aluminum 41ppm Like WOO!

Lead 5ppm good god!

Chromium 3ppm this things toast!

Zinc 3372 PPM (This level will wreck your bearings, cams, rods ect) And the test states it did just that.

Phosphorus 2683ppm (all will wreck your engine)

Notice what it says for appeareance of the oil BLACK.
It also still has .5 soot particles in it (though this product disolved that to nano particles???)


This is a product that shows in every way shape and form why you need to know what your putting into your engine.

They posted this to there own blog to market there product effectiveness this shows how little they know.

This engine is trashed and will need to be replaced or rebuilt the very thing this is supposed to stop with this product.

Please GTO guy explain yourself!

The Green Technology Oil: GTO Used Oil Analysis Certificate please read this how the acidity is dismissed by them, this is not serviceable oil by any means.




I look out for everyone's vehicles and only base what I say on facts, Thanks for providing all the evidence I needed to prove this product not only does not work as it states the levels of Zinc and Phosphorus in it will destroy your engine.

[renzo_d10]

Hi enrickho :welcome:

You see, Khaos fuel saver have done multiple tests to prove their products as legit. However, people still insist that it's a bogus through personal experience. Ano yung assurance namin na hindi namin sasayangin ang 700php (tama ba?) namin sa paggamit ng GTOil? Sabi mo nga, we can't trust no one. Hence, your long list of tests done by GTOil can be considered irrelevant and useless. Right?

At, isa pa. In case na maniniwala nga kami sa mga tao dito. We've had enough of the fake products that was promoted to us, napakarami na dumaan pero walang tumagal kasi nga peke. Ano kinaiba ng GTOil dito? Alam ko maraming additives sa market, pero my car enthusiast friends don't recommend this to me. Bakit ganun? I can wholeheartedly say that I trust them because they know what they are doing.

Hindi naman kasi pinupulot ang pera diba. Kaya if in case this GTOil is true, anong pwede namin maging basis to fully convince us to buy one?

Parang ano lang yan -- K&N Air Filter.

Hindi naman namin siya binibili para makita kung ok siya eh. We rely on people's feedbacks and so far united ang feedbacks ng nakararami tungkol dito. And it's positive, kaya nag-click. Eh yung GTOil, parang fake talaga eh. Alam mo yun, hindi sulit. Haha.

[dvldoc]

Just to clarify what some of those values in the oil sample mean,


The acid number is useful in monitoring acid build up in oils due to oxidation degradation. An oil analyst must know that the baseline acid value is of the new oil used to determine when the acid number (TAN) has increased to a point where it is time for an oil change. When your oil analysis is red flagged for high acid levels, the oil must be changed or “sweetened" with an addition of a new product. High acid will promote oxidation and eventually corrode metal.


Iron, High levels indicate wear from rings, shafts, gears, valve trains, cylinder walls, pistons or liners.

Chromium, Indicate exessive wear of chromed parts such as rings, liners.

Aluminum, wear from pistons, rod bearings.

Vanadium, Heavy fuel contaminate, no doubt from the worn rings.

Lead, an overlay on main rods and bearings.

Copper, wear from bearings, rocker arm bushings, pins bushings, thrust washers and other brass bronze parts.

Sodium, coolant leak from damage system. (Sodium was 41 in this vehicles forgot to post that as critical)


You will also notice how they call the D4D in a innova a old engine and these values are perfectly normal after a oil and filter change.

Are they CRAZY!

[piscesboy]

Hi enrickho :welcome:

You see, Khaos fuel saver have done multiple tests to prove their products as legit. However, people still insist that it's a bogus through personal experience. Ano yung assurance namin na hindi namin sasayangin ang 700php (tama ba?) namin sa paggamit ng GTOil? Sabi mo nga, we can't trust no one. Hence, your long list of tests done by GTOil can be considered irrelevant and useless. Right?

At, isa pa. In case na maniniwala nga kami sa mga tao dito. We've had enough of the fake products that was promoted to us, napakarami na dumaan pero walang tumagal kasi nga peke. Ano kinaiba ng GTOil dito? Alam ko maraming additives sa market, pero my car enthusiast friends don't recommend this to me. Bakit ganun? I can wholeheartedly say that I trust them because they know what they are doing.

Hindi naman kasi pinupulot ang pera diba. Kaya if in case this GTOil is true, anong pwede namin maging basis to fully convince us to buy one?

Parang ano lang yan -- K&N Air Filter.

Hindi naman namin siya binibili para makita kung ok siya eh. We rely on people's feedbacks and so far united ang feedbacks ng nakararami tungkol dito. And it's positive, kaya nag-click. Eh yung GTOil, parang fake talaga eh. Alam mo yun, hindi sulit. Haha.

haba ng post mo bro. pwede naman eto nalng: yung GTOil, parang fake talaga eh. Alam mo yun, hindi sulit. Haha.

FAKE

:popcorn::popcorn:

[miko101130]

the oil analysis they posted is the "nail in the coffin".... it clearly indicates that tremendous amount of metal wear and unwarranted amount of phosphorous and zinc... if you research the oil analysis in other international forums, the oil analysis result of the GTO will SHOCK you...

EXAMPLE of GOOD OIL ANALYSIS



Oil analysis from GTO additive



there's nothing to debate just by looking at the pics

[renzo_d10]

haba ng post mo bro. pwede naman eto nalng: yung GTOil, parang fake talaga eh. Alam mo yun, hindi sulit. Haha.

FAKE

:popcorn::popcorn:

Baka sabihin naman ni ehnricko hindi ako nageffort tulad niya.

[miko101130]

compare the results and the data...
look at the aluminum and copper readings that is one hell of a broken engine...

[dvldoc]

Did the math on this, This stuff is over 75,000ppm zinc in 5 oz based on 1000ppm for the oil so even in 5 liters in oil it's adding 2370 or so of zinc on top of your oil if your using good oil with 1200ppm zinc your looking at 3500ppm zinc which will destroy your engine and catalytic converters

Now here is the sad part, And I am going to give the GTO guys some business advices to actually make some real money on a product people would buy. Do with what you want with the information but if you want a business plan from someone who actually knows how to market based on facts feel free to listen up.


Dilute the mix down to 20000ppm this will add around 600ppm to 5 liters oil, (PERFECT) this will give any engine extra protection, longer oil life, smoother operation and for old school diesel engines it will be a night and day difference and will actually extend the life of any engine.

You would use 1/3 the product and you have a product that is similar to ZDDP Plus and ZDDP MAX in the US. Have a standardized manufacturing process with a oil analysis test to back up whats in the product. Drop all the global warming save the earth stuff and get someone with real automotive knowledge to market the product.

And you would make 100000's of pesos on that stuff, but phony claims and testimonials on a dangerous product are not going to cut it. Sell the product for what it realy is ZDDP with extra Calcuim (which is a detergent that cleans your engine) Diluted to the proper level it's actually the perfect additive.

This would make even the worse oils perform like a champ. And if you don't do it I surely will if nobody does in the next 6 months.

Your Welcome

[ehnriko]

Thanks Devildoc for taking time to look at it.

You may also need to know that the test vehicle - an Innova was already driven 40,000 kms before it was treated with GTO.

We call this torture condition.

It was made to run 40,000kms more before the used oil analysis was made.

The high content of metals like zinc, iron and copper were not coming to us as a surprise.

It's the fact that there is ZERO fuel dilution and Nitration.
Moreover... It could have been worse if it was not treated with GTO 40,000 km ago.

The test was made as a private initiative in order to answer some puzzling facts.

1. Why the engine performed a lot better after GTO treatment.
2. Why the oil became more fluid and viscous like water.
3. Why the engine emits near ZERO Emission Even without a Catalytic Converter. (Catalytic Converters are designed to filter and catalyse emissions to reduce carbon at the tail pipe.. but this does not rectify the problem in the combustion chamber.)
4. Why fuel mileage is increased significantly.
5. Why the effect is long lasting.

With such a high metallic reading, the engine would have been destroyed months ago... but why is it still more quiet compared to a new one?

The theory is... these metallic particles are not circulating around the system...or if it does, then the fluid layer of the oil must have been doing a good job in terms of meta adherence. Thus the term magnetized or polarized oil applied.

This Innova is still running without an oil change.

I was not the one who insisted in using the no oil change line... it is actually a real oil change. Since my suggested treatment protocol was to remove 25% of the old oil before adding GTO. Gradually the old dirty oil will be saturated with GTO and eventually replaced in time.

There are instances where some engines are really with heavily contaminated oil, with GTO, the engine is more protected than without before a change oil. Adding the GTF enhances the oil. This is on a need to ad basis.

Although an engine may not display any abnormal or deterioration in performance, the GTO treated oil may become lessened over time and over thousands or hundred of kilometers use, depending on how the vehicle is driven.

Therefore, it is necessary to repeat the treatment, either with GTO or GTF Booster (the Water Based Additive).

Here's a video of a Hyundai Tiburon with GTO treatment...


GTO Treated Hyundai Tiburon Drag Time Trials - YouTube

Did the math on this, This stuff is over 75,000ppm zinc in 5 oz based on 1000ppm for the oil so even in 5 liters in oil it's adding 2370 or so of zinc on top of your oil if your using good oil with 1200ppm zinc your looking at 3500ppm zinc which will destroy your engine and catalytic converters

Now here is the sad part, And I am going to give the GTO guys some business advices to actually make some real money on a product people would buy. Do with what you want with the information but if you want a business plan from someone who actually knows how to market based on facts feel free to listen up.


Dilute the mix down to 20000ppm this will add around 600ppm to 5 liters oil, (PERFECT) this will give any engine extra protection, longer oil life, smoother operation and for old school diesel engines it will be a night and day difference and will actually extend the life of any engine.

You would use 1/3 the product and you have a product that is similar to ZDDP Plus and ZDDP MAX in the US. Have a standardized manufacturing process with a oil analysis test to back up whats in the product. Drop all the global warming save the earth stuff and get someone with real automotive knowledge to market the product.

And you would make 100000's of pesos on that stuff, but phony claims and testimonials on a dangerous product are not going to cut it. Sell the product for what it realy is ZDDP with extra Calcuim (which is a detergent that cleans your engine) Diluted to the proper level it's actually the perfect additive.

This would make even the worse oils perform like a champ. And if you don't do it I surely will if nobody does in the next 6 months.

Your Welcome

[ehnriko]

GTO treated Daily Driver Tiburon - breaking itw own speed record all the time. 11 seconds.
Kadayawan 2011 Davao City Drag Race GTO Hyundai Tiburon - YouTube

GTO Tiburon making 10 seconds
10 second GTO Tiburon - YouTube

Some GTO Racing News.
The Green Technology Oil: Green Racing

More GTO in Racing to be posted soon.

[ghosthunter]

wala akong alam tungkol sa mga technicalities about anang oil.. maski kanang sakyanan.. pero marami na akong nakitang magandang ginawa nyang oil na yan.. subukan nyo nlng kahit kayo di nyo ma.eexplain kung anong meron sa oil na to. sa mga nka gamit na ng oil na to kagaya ko. tatawanan lang nila tong claim ninyo na scam. hehe. peace..

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[miko101130]

still waiting for the technical specs of the GTO... ??

[ghosthunter]

Miko, actually GTO was a suppressed technoloy which outdates back shell or any other big oil.

Oh ehnriko! Kindly don't push that marketing B.S. on this board because people in tsikot.com are a cut above for them to believe that "suppressed technology" B.S.

That might have worked to your GTOil supporters, but you will need actual proof to get anything here.