Has anyone heard of GTOil / NOW12? Is this a scam?

[miked]

(madami na daw hydrogen powered jeepneys na gumagamit na nito green tech oil).

bukonut pa!!!!!!

naglipana na pala ang mga "hydrogen powered jeepneys"!!!!!

baka sa sunod virgin coconut oil na ang amoy.....

[Ry_Tower]

Rumor has it that the founders of GTO oil were abducted by aliens but were able to steal some alien oil when they made their dashing escape.. bwahaha

Anak ng, may tawag dyan, Sigbin! Siguro pinahid nila yung oil sa katawan kaya nakalipadi!

[xninjax]

^ Alien technology daw kasi sabi sa site nila.. kaya malamang ninakaw sa mga alien :D

[ehnriko]

ehnrico:

Yes, I started this tread with queries I posted since I am not knowledgeable on automobile oils, and the like. But I am not MIA as you stated in your post. I have in fact replied to your baseless claims pls. see page 8. I don't care if you posted in the GTO website "to be careful" of me...i think you owe it to the GTO followers to explain the technical considerations, issues and arguments commented by the technical experts in tsikot.com here.....

Thank you for your reply... My replies:

1. Please clarify how I made claims and how it's baseless if you can; but this is only if you wish to expound more on this;
2. I don't owe anything to anybody; As far as I am concerned, those who think I owe them something - already got a lot in return whether they admit it or not;
3. Please refrain from this habit of branding anything, unless if you are already a judge, first you branded GTO as a Scam, then now you are Branding GTO users are GTO Followers - this is very insulting, I certainly hope you are not insinuating that "The GTO Followers" are naive and blind followers of a cult;
4. If there's anyone who owes anything to anybody... that would be you! You owe the "GTO Followers" as you have termed or branded them AN APOLOGY.

Starting a thread with this title is hard to discount as one with a malicious intent.

It also starts to raise the following questions:

1. Who are you working for?

2. How much are they paying you?

3. If you just needed a change oil, why go to the extent of lurking the Cebu forums, Harassing the members therein and insiting a publicity stunt here in tsikot?

If you really are a Lawyer and a practicing one... which I and many others hope you're not... then you should have been the first one to display a more civilized example to the public.

People look up to you because of you're title, and with such power - comes great responsibility.

If you notice, your cheer leading squad are all up ganging in on me for your defense. Why such a waste of energy for something that is not being forced sell upon you? (yes you may answer this one. - not really a rhetoric question)

You are also most of the time online in this website... as you are in Istorya dot net.

Going back to being a lawyer... this is not an excuse to make you unlearned with automotive and oils and the like.

Rolls Royce was built by an electrician.
The Ark was built not by an engineer.
Cory was a housewife.
and Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

For the rest, I would like to advise everyone to refrain from asking stupid questions or making themselves stupid unnecessarily.

Ask the right questions and try to be civilized as people from Manila... Those you branded as people from the "Provinces" (labeling them in a manner that they are less better than you is simply discriminating)are watching this unfold.

Just want to point out that - People in the provinces are more conscious about their KPL Ratios - compared to Manilenios who simply don't care about the fuel they throw away in traffic. Now who is thinking better? (now this is a rhetoric question that does not require an answer.)


Pop Corn time...

[Ry_Tower]

Thank you for your reply... My replies:

1. Please clarify how I made claims and how it's baseless if you can; but this is only if you wish to expound more on this;
2. I don't owe anything to anybody; As far as I am concerned, those who think I owe them something - already got a lot in return whether they admit it or not;
3. Please refrain from this habit of branding anything, unless if you are already a judge, first you branded GTO as a Scam, then now you are Branding GTO users are GTO Followers - this is very insulting, I certainly hope you are not insinuating that "The GTO Followers" are naive and blind followers of a cult;
4. If there's anyone who owes anything to anybody... that would be you! You owe the "GTO Followers" as you have termed or branded them AN APOLOGY.

Starting a thread with this title is hard to discount as one with a malicious intent.

It also starts to raise the following questions:

1. Who are you working for?

2. How much are they paying you?

3. If you just needed a change oil, why go to the extent of lurking the Cebu forums, Harassing the members therein and insiting a publicity stunt here in tsikot?

If you really are a Lawyer and a practicing one... which I and many others hope you're not... then you should have been the first one to display a more civilized example to the public.

People look up to you because of you're title, and with such power - comes great responsibility.

If you notice, your cheer leading squad are all up ganging in on me for your defense. Why such a waste of energy for something that is not being forced sell upon you? (yes you may answer this one. - not really a rhetoric question)

You are also most of the time online in this website... as you are in Istorya dot net.

Going back to being a lawyer... this is not an excuse to make you unlearned with automotive and oils and the like.

Rolls Royce was built by an electrician.
The Ark was built not by an engineer.
Cory was a housewife.
and Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

For the rest, I would like to advise everyone to refrain from asking stupid questions or making themselves stupid unnecessarily.

Ask the right questions and try to be civilized as people from Manila... Those you branded as people from the "Provinces" (labeling them in a manner that they are less better than you is simply discriminating)are watching this unfold.

Just want to point out that - People in the provinces are more conscious about their KPL Ratios - compared to Manilenios who simply don't care about the fuel they throw away in traffic. Now who is thinking better? (now this is a rhetoric question that does not require an answer.)


Pop Corn time...

Nice sigy BTW!

[uls]

good for your body

and your engine

[burjegol]

11. How will this happen, since oil does not come in contact with the injectors or plug?

With ordinary motor oil, this oil slips through the seals and rings of the pistons, contaminating the combustion mixture in the chamber, after every explosion/ power stroke/ ignition, it is dispersed all over the chamber, becoming carbon sooth; contaminating the plug surfaces and injector surfaces after every spark or pulse, this time interval is enough to build up or accumulate carbon deposits that becomes stone hard like cement. When accumulated, makes the engine perform bad consuming more fuel eventually.

GTO prevents this from happening by dissolving these carbon deposits, and turning them back into usable lubricant. It is also because of better compression sealing ability since it becomes more magnetic when it is in contact with metal surfaces that are constantly rubbing each other creating friction. The more friction there is, the more magnetic this fluid becomes to those area, ensuring a more sealed compression for every stroke or cycle which also results to more power and thus the product

Just copied this from the link Green Technology FAQ: No More Oil Change?

Sir, I don't claim to be of any expert in the automotive engine concept, however, I could say that I can also understand the basic operating principle of ICE.
One thing I could say is that. Once oil is seeping through your rings, you have already compression problems. In general, a good engine does not allow the oil to infiltrate through the combustion chamber/cylinder. the job of the oil ring is to scrape the oil coating the cylinder.
the product of combustion is exhausted through the muffler during the exhaust stroke cycle.

sir, the claim that "GTO prevents this from happening by dissolving these carbon deposits, and turning them back into usable lubricant. It is also because of better compression sealing ability since it becomes more magnetic when it is in contact with metal surfaces that are constantly rubbing each other creating friction." runs through the contrary of the very rule of ICE.

1. does GTO exceeds the flash point of the AF mixture in the chamber that it is unaffected by the combustion process, thereby retaining its properties, so it could turn back the carbon deposits unto usable lubricant?

2. GTO claims to be of better compression sealing ability. OK. Assuming that the carbon deposit has been turned into usable lubricant as claimed, how could it return to the cylinder as it was already claimed that GTO enhances compression sealing ability? Isn't it a contradictory claim?

Now sir, I do expect a very decent answer from you as I do believe I have been civilized in my queries hence I do expect a civilized answer. I have no vested interest whatsoever, I don't give catcalls, my intention is just to get to the bottom line. Does it work or a myth?

[Ry_Tower]

good for your body

and your engine

Ayun oh, "No approved tiraputik claim"!

[uls]

11. How will this happen, since oil does not come in contact with the injectors or plug?

With ordinary motor oil, this oil slips through the seals and rings of the pistons, contaminating the combustion mixture in the chamber, after every explosion/ power stroke/ ignition, it is dispersed all over the chamber, becoming carbon sooth; contaminating the plug surfaces and injector surfaces after every spark or pulse, this time interval is enough to build up or accumulate carbon deposits that becomes stone hard like cement. When accumulated, makes the engine perform bad consuming more fuel eventually.

GTO prevents this from happening by dissolving these carbon deposits, and turning them back into usable lubricant. It is also because of better compression sealing ability since it becomes more magnetic when it is in contact with metal surfaces that are constantly rubbing each other creating friction. The more friction there is, the more magnetic this fluid becomes to those area, ensuring a more sealed compression for every stroke or cycle which also results to more power and thus the product

Just copied this from the link Green Technology FAQ: No More Oil Change?

Sir, I don't claim to be of any expert in the automotive engine concept, however, I could say that I can also understand the basic operating principle of ICE.
One thing I could say is that. Once oil is seeping through your rings, you have already compression problems. In general, a good engine does not allow the oil to infiltrate through the combustion chamber/cylinder. the job of the oil ring is to scrape the oil coating the cylinder.
the product of combustion is exhausted through the muffler during the exhaust stroke cycle.

sir, the claim that "GTO prevents this from happening by dissolving these carbon deposits, and turning them back into usable lubricant. It is also because of better compression sealing ability since it becomes more magnetic when it is in contact with metal surfaces that are constantly rubbing each other creating friction." runs through the contrary of the very rule of ICE.

1. does GTO exceeds the flash point of the AF mixture in the chamber that it is unaffected by the combustion process, thereby retaining its properties, so it could turn back the carbon deposits unto usable lubricant?

2. GTO claims to be of better compression sealing ability. OK. Assuming that the carbon deposit has been turned into usable lubricant as claimed, how could it return to the cylinder as it was already claimed that GTO enhances compression sealing ability? Isn't it a contradictory claim?

Now sir, I do expect a very decent answer from you as I do believe I have been civilized in my queries hence I do expect a civilized answer. I have no vested interest whatsoever, I don't give catcalls, my intention is just to get to the bottom line. Does it work or a myth?

ang isasagot sayo "you mere mortals are incapable of understanding alien technology. even if it was explained to you in simple words you still won't be able to understand. it is way beyond your mental abilities. and on top of that, you're not worthy. just have faith nalang."

[chua_riwap]

Ayun oh, "No approved tiraputik claim"!

oisssttt! huwag kayo ganyan.
madi-delete ang post nyo........

[ehnriko]

Sir, I don't claim to be of any expert in the automotive engine concept, however, I could say that I can also understand the basic operating principle of ICE.

One thing I could say is that. Once oil is seeping through your rings, you have already compression problems. In general, a good engine does not allow the oil to infiltrate through the combustion chamber/cylinder. the job of the oil ring is to scrape the oil coating the cylinder.
the product of combustion is exhausted through the muffler during the exhaust stroke cycle.

sir, the claim that "GTO prevents this from happening by dissolving these carbon deposits, and turning them back into usable lubricant. It is also because of better compression sealing ability since it becomes more magnetic when it is in contact with metal surfaces that are constantly rubbing each other creating friction." runs through the contrary of the very rule of ICE.

1. does GTO exceeds the flash point of the AF mixture in the chamber that it is unaffected by the combustion process, thereby retaining its properties, so it could turn back the carbon deposits unto usable lubricant?

2. GTO claims to be of better compression sealing ability. OK. Assuming that the carbon deposit has been turned into usable lubricant as claimed, how could it return to the cylinder as it was already claimed that GTO enhances compression sealing ability? Isn't it a contradictory claim?

Now sir, I do expect a very decent answer from you as I do believe I have been civilized in my queries hence I do expect a civilized answer. I have no vested interest whatsoever, I don't give catcalls, my intention is just to get to the bottom line. Does it work or a myth?

OK, since you don't claim to be a technical person - I will explain to you in laymans term which would always invite mockery from the technical wiz kids here.

As promised, decency with decency.

Here it goes.

The pistons in the combustion chamber otherwise known as Cylinders... move smoothly up and down or back and forth at high speeds without the danger of wearing the metal surface that touches the other because there is a layer of fluid between them.

There is always a clearance between metal to metal inside the engine, if there is no clearance, then these metals would have already been fused together like it is welded... like what happens to an overheated engine.

The principle involved or working in this event is called HYDROPLANING.

Hydroplaning is the phenomenon occurring when you try to drive and brake hard on a wet surface of asphalt.

In the same manner - is the piston moving in the cylinder able to do without wear.

Oil seeps through it if it does not have magnetic properties... in other words - not adherent to metal. Castrol have a similar product they called Magnatech- but GTO was already using this before they came out of the Gecko Market Hyping Logo.

The ability of the oil to cling to metal makes the compression seal... not the rings. For as long as the ring will slip - it cannot seal... it's the oil that is on the metals that does the sealing. without the fluid or oil, no rings can seal any engine. There will always be an air leak.

Now, here comes the explanation to how it returns back to the cylinder when it is not really seeping into the crank case.

The truth is, the clearance between the pistons and the cylinders is so close, GTO tends to magnetize more and gets stuffed in between. GTO although thinner than heavy oils tend to stick on metals with little tolerances. The fluid shear that occurs here is actually what makes GTO perform better.

Now we have tested this theory in an actual race.

During a Bike Circuit race with Underbone 125cc... There were volunteers who wanted to try the product.

We allowed them to make their first runs without GTO... They fared OK, they didn't have podium finishes.

In the middle of the race, we treated 5 bikes running in various classes.

The primary test bike had a great run, but since they never intended to use this for the championship, they used worn out tires that simply wasn't good enough to handle the improved torque causing the driver to crash the bike.

But that was not the end, since all the other bikes finished podium... we ended up with a Champion - the rest of the story is in the blog.

It was a stealth attack since we are not a big company and doing battle against Goliath would require a little creative imagination in every move we make.

We have only one small vision... to put this country on top of the world - we just dont know as to how we will do it - but If you're going to be a part of the solution - then by all means.

A Myth is something that cannot be explained... It becomes Science when you are able to understand and explain theories about it.

But like all things on earth... Even a theory expires - that's when a better theory comes out.

Nothing is ever feared more than the unexplained.

Sometimes, I actually think that I would have to keep things that way and let the cheer leaders jump up and down and stumble flat face... but that would go against my nature.

I wish not to feed fuel to any amber here - and let us continue to behave like gentlemen ok?

Until then Ladies...

[Bin Diesel]

Yes Mr. Ehnriko you are not forcing this product down our throats but please be true in what you advertise. We do not discriminate against those who bought your product we are just more inquiring because we are conscious of where we will put our money. We want the best not the best in testimonials.

[chua_riwap]

Until then Ladies...

mr ehnriko....bakit "ladies" ang tawag mo sa mga posters dito sa GTOil thread?

[uls]

The pistons in the combustion chamber otherwise known as Cylinders... move smoothly up and down or back and forth at high speeds without the danger of wearing the metal surface that touches the other because there is a layer of fluid between them.

There is always a clearance between metal to metal inside the engine, if there is no clearance, then these metals would have already been fused together like it is welded... like what happens to an overheated engine.

The principle involved or working in this event is called HYDROPLANING.

Hydroplaning is the phenomenon occurring when you try to drive and brake hard on a wet surface of asphalt.

In the same manner - is the piston moving in the cylinder able to do without wear.

Oil seeps through it if it does not have magnetic properties... in other words - not adherent to metal. Castrol have a similar product they called Magnatech- but GTO was already using this before they came out of the Gecko Market Hyping Logo.

The ability of the oil to cling to metal makes the compression seal... not the rings. For as long as the ring will slip - it cannot seal... it's the oil that is on the metals that does the sealing. without the fluid or oil, no rings can seal any engine. There will always be an air leak.

Now, here comes the explanation to how it returns back to the cylinder when it is not really seeping into the crank case.

The truth is, the clearance between the pistons and the cylinders is so close, GTO tends to magnetize more and gets stuffed in between. GTO although thinner than heavy oils tend to stick on metals with little tolerances. The fluid shear that occurs here is actually what makes GTO perform better.

up until this point he sounds normal

then the bike race...

Now we have tested this theory in an actual race.

During a Bike Circuit race with Underbone 125cc... There were volunteers who wanted to try the product.

We allowed them to make their first runs without GTO... They fared OK, they didn't have podium finishes.

In the middle of the race, we treated 5 bikes running in various classes.

The primary test bike had a great run, but since they never intended to use this for the championship, they used worn out tires that simply wasn't good enough to handle the improved torque causing the driver to crash the bike.

But that was not the end, since all the other bikes finished podium... we ended up with a Champion - the rest of the story is in the blog.

beginning here he begins to sound a bit weird

It was a stealth attack since we are not a big company and doing battle against Goliath would require a little creative imagination in every move we make.

and weirder

We have only one small vision... to put this country on top of the world - we just dont know as to how we will do it - but If you're going to be a part of the solution - then by all means.

and even weirder

A Myth is something that cannot be explained... It becomes Science when you are able to understand and explain theories about it.

But like all things on earth... Even a theory expires - that's when a better theory comes out.

Nothing is ever feared more than the unexplained.

^^ remember, he's explaining how the oil works

Sometimes, I actually think that I would have to keep things that way and let the cheer leaders jump up and down and stumble flat face... but that would go against my nature.

^^ did you guys get that? cheerleaders jump up and down and fall on their faces?

let's see... he's the cult leader and the cheerleaders are his followers. the cheerleaders are overwhelmed with joy and can't stop jumping up and down. they're probably speaking in tongues at this point

why am i reminded of this character?

[shadow]

mr ehnriko....bakit "ladies" ang tawag mo sa mga posters dito sa GTOil thread?

Mga bading daw ka debate niya...

[dvldoc]

How many times do I got to say it people like this follow it like a cult just like HHO no matter how many facts you throw at them they still come of sounding crazier and crazier and they can never and I mean never argue with you point by point.

Is loosing face so important to some people they make themselves the laughing stock of 1000's, of readers. But as sated before people who are in the cult mentality cannot hear or process reason they are in their own world. Just like the nuts that said the world was going to end and it didn't then it didn't again after they reset the date lol. But they still believe no matter what the facts are.

It's actually very said. Don't know how you succeed in life being this blind to common sense. To proud to admit they are just making up stories and facts than say, You know what I wrong and you guys have showed me the facts I was caught up in the marketing. That's of course if your not the hustler trying to run a pyramid scheme to rip people off and line there pocket, then greed trumps truth every time.


I love how he has new made up claims like it magnetizes even though we all know the product is just Zinc, Phosporus, iron and some calcuim, that's it but he can't let that stop these crazy and yes they are crazy claims at this point. I'm sure the person on facebook who has the GTO page wishes he would just stop posting.

[uls]

doon sa mga previous posts niya pansin ko may pagka-weird na siya eh

ang dating niya parang we are not worthy to be in his presence

his LIGHT shines so bright we are blinded

our knowledge is inferior

our questions are stupid

we are but ants

we should get lost and come back nalang when we reach his level

[chua_riwap]

^ at ang GTO ay maganda.
at kung maaari eh ayaw tumanggap ng batikos.........

[uls]

^ at ang GTO ay maganda.
at kung maaari eh ayaw tumanggap ng batikos.........

believe

have faith

it is not for you to understand

[dvldoc]

Would you use a product by a company that the only thing in this picture is noticeable is it's clean on the inside. Of course it is that what happens when you raise your combustion temps through the roof with HHO and have metal to metal contact all over your pistons duuuhh.

This is there HHO feed ride. Like I always said it cause sever detonation. Here's your proof from Mr ehnriko own facebook.

It's the best time to have a top overhaul... but I only had the valve seals replaced... the mechanic is very much used to seeing my engines like these... :-)

I wonder was this also protected by the mighty GTO it would explain some of the sever damage to this engine.



Is this really the place you want to get automotive advise for? But he will defend it to the end folks.