Diesel Additive/Injection Cleaner???

[locoroco777]

hi sir dusky!

A have a few of questions po...

does any of your pickups po ba has a Crdi engine? if yes po, can you give some feedback regarding your additive?

and does your fuel additive can remedy and if not, reduce the bad effects the dirty diesel fuels that we load up? and consequently prevent suction control valve & EGR failure for our CRDi engines?

thanks in advance!

[OldSchoolHack]

For older diesel engines (pre2000) using 2T oil helps. It actually aids in lubrication lalo na pag low sulfur na yung diesel fuel (say V-Diesel by Shell). Same with Biodiesel (from SeaOil for example). I use around 500 ml in a full tank (60liter). Several test were done with these additives and compared to Cetane increasing additive (which do better for engine performance) 2T oil is the most accessible and the cheapest for the increase in performance. For so called injector cleaners sometimes I use the Cyclo product. Parang walang effect. Regular maintenance still the best way to go.

Dunno about CRDi and newer engines. Baka wala na effect.

[isa1023]

*OldSchoolHack:
2T (the one for motorcycles) ??? ...

Did I read that right?

My dad has a 1998 Isuzu Hi-Lander (no turbo, non-CRDI but direct injection) and I'm thinking of helping him out in fuel savings.

How do I use this 2T thing? Where do I pour it?


*duskylim:
I'm also interested about your diesel additive.

I'll send PM once I have enough time and budget to try it.

It's for my dad's Isuzu old engine.

[youngrider]

How do I use this 2T thing? Where do I pour it?

The ratio is 1:200, that is 1 part 2T to 200 parts diesel, or 0.005 per ml or 5ml per liter.

If your tank capacity is 50 L, multiply it by 5 and that's 250 ml of 2T.

Before your next refill, take note of the pump price of diesel, let say its P50/liter, if you will buy P1000 diesel that is 20 liters, multiply it by 5 and you have 100 ml of 2T.

In an empty bottle put 100 ml of 2T, pour it to your diesel tank just before the gas boy fill it with diesel. 2T mixes well with diesel and does not come out of the solution.

Effects? only experince can tell you.

Risk? leaking injector seals.

What 2T to use? JASO FC like Castrol Activ or TC-W3 Marine 2T which is much expensive.

[duskylim]

Dear Eugene, Roco and isa:

Thank you for your interest in my fuel additive.

I will PM you all with the additive details as this forum frowns upon shameless, naked marketing.

As to the use of 2T oil for diesel engines, let me say this.

2T oil is a Petron product intended for use in 2-stroke, reed-valve type motorcycle engines.

These engines use the bottom of the piston and crankcase assembly as an air pump/supercharger to push the air-fuel into the area above the piston/combustion chamber.

The crankcase is sealed and not vented to the atmosphere.

Air from the carburetor outlet is drawn through the crankcase through a very light tension, flat spring that opens as the piston rises and closes when it descends.

As the piston rises, it draws in the air-fuel mix, as it descends, it forces the mixture into a passage connecting to the combustion chamber.

The valve resembles the reeds of wind instruments (clarinet, oboe, saxophone, etc.) - hence the name reed valve.

Another name for this device is a flapper valve - similar to the ones used in plumbing - which are called 'check valves'.

Because the air/gasoline mixture passes directly through the crankcase it dissolves and washes away all the oil covering the crankshaft and connecting rod bearings as well as the oil lubricating the piston rings.

To provide adequate lubrication, these engine designs rely on pre-MIXING oil and gasoline together and then burning the resulting mixture in the combustion chamber - producing the familiar and noxious clouds of white, motorcycle oil smoke.

Addition of such an oil will probably aid or boost a diesel fuel's lubricity, but will likely adversely affect combustion.

Why?

Well 2T was formulated for GASOLINE engines.

Gasoline engines need to control pre-ignition and knock (detonation) and the fuel is formulated for to resist this from happening.

That quality is measured as the OCTANE rating or Octane Number.

It is safe to assume that 2T engine oil does NOT adversely affect or reduce the fuel's Octane Rating.

Diesel engines need to burn the fuel as quickly as possible, and need fuels that burn rapidly.

Those qualities are measured as the CETANE rating or Cetane Number.

CETANE and OCTANE are OPPOSITE behaviors.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

[youngrider]

2T has a lower flash point and a higher autoignition temperature than diesel fuel. Theoretically it can increase the ignition delay of diesel fuel (bad) but how it will perform is such very low ratio of 1:200 in a particular brand of diesel fuel and engine will be subject to car owner's perception, although improved lubricity effects had been documented.

Actually our diesel engines will run fine with Euro2M diesel though Bosch and other diesel injection system manufacturers are not satisfied with HFRR standard even in Low-Sulfur-Diesel (much more with ULSD). The culprits with the perceived dismal performance of our diesel fuel are adulteration and contamination.

[duskylim]

Stricter emissions standards have resulted in large changes to the composition of automotive diesel fuels.

In particular, the refining steps required to remove excess sulfur from diesel fuels has led to a significant loss of lubricity.

Whether measured by the High Frequency Reciprocating Rig or Sliding Ball tests, low and ultra-low sulfur diesels have poorer lubricity than the older diesel fuels.

Bosch even uses brand-new injection pumps to test diesel fuels for suitability - a rather expensive method.

This problem can be aided by the addition of additives which boost the fuel's lubricity - like 2T oil.

Increasing the fuel's lubricity is a common practice in diesel fuel additives.

[youngrider]

I have tried adding 2T to my diesel fuel, after several months I opened up my engine. Well, the head and cylinders were clean with soft carbon soot that I can easily wipe with my fingers.

I stopped using it when my injection pump started to leak_ coincidence? I don't know but I am not the only one who encountered this effect while adding 2T to diesel fuel.

I got another correction to make.

I wrote:

2T has a lower flash point and a higher autoignition temperature than diesel fuel. Theoretically it can increase the ignition delay of diesel fuel (bad) but how it will perform is such very low ratio of 1:200 in a particular brand of diesel fuel and engine will be subject to car owner's perception, although improved lubricity effects had been documented.

2T has higher flash point than diesel fuel.

[OldSchoolHack]

*OldSchoolHack:
2T (the one for motorcycles) ??? ...

Did I read that right?

My dad has a 1998 Isuzu Hi-Lander (no turbo, non-CRDI but direct injection) and I'm thinking of helping him out in fuel savings.

How do I use this 2T thing? Where do I pour it?


.........

In the fuel tank. Pour mine after refueling (automatic). When time comes and you open up the injector pump and the engine, the insides will look considerably cleaner than when you were not using 2T.

Lots of documented (pros and cons) on 2T. Actually the cheaper no-additive versions are said to be the best kind for diesel fuel additives.

BTW do it at your risk. For me my older EFI diesel engine worked smoother and quieter. I have no idea with other engines what it will do.

But at around P37 pesos per 200 ml (Shell 2T) or P74 per tankful, kinda cheap compared to other additives.

[OldSchoolHack]

I have tried adding 2T to my diesel fuel, after several months I opened up my engine. Well, the head and cylinders were clean with soft carbon soot that I can easily wipe with my fingers.

I stopped using it when my injection pump started to leak_ coincidence? I don't know but I am not the only one who encountered this effect while adding 2T to diesel fuel.

I got another correction to make.

I wrote:



2T has higher flash point than diesel fuel.

Since you corrected already your post, well that is right. 2T does have a higher flash point than diesel hence does not burn with it. And lubricates the engine accordingly.

I've been doing the 2T additive for over half a year and when I got my engine checked it was, well, clean and so was the injector pump. No leak yet.

As I pointed out 2T is NOT a cetane increasing additive, just a lubricant. And the effects are at most (I forgot, it was from an old diesel truck magazine) 1.5 to 2% increase in mileage. Very little. Some perceive quieter engine. But looks like perception rather than fact.

Small increase compared to cetane increasing additives which can go up to 5% (according to the same article. will find that magazine sometime).

But then less than a hundred pesos for a tankful is not bad. Other additives cost P300 upwards per tankful.

Some people even suggest other lubricating oils. Like diesel motor oils or ATF. Long term effects though might be bad.

[12vdc]

2T user here for 5months now, crdi engine runs quieter and smoother.

2T is more useful in Euro 4-6 diesels where sulfur is low. In our case, the real problem is dirty diesel. My guess is, by adding extra lubrication using 2T, it gives better protection or tolerance against abrassion on fuel-system parts.

Some readings:
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177728

[eugene emmanuel]

Helow mga sirs!
Newbie lang po sa tsikot. Pwede po makisali sa tread nato? interesting po kc.

have anyone heared of using "ferrocene" as fuel additive?

I'm planning kc of using this chemical for my 2.5L TDIC Pajero but were not sure of the possible effects on small automotive engines. baka may naka gamit na po sa inyo, pls share any results either positive or negative.

Actually we are using this chemical on marine diesel engines (as big as 24000bhp output) for almost 6 yrs and d results were very satisfactory, in terms of lessening engine carbon deposits, oil contamination and engine wear.

According to the instruction manual of this additive the following are the benefits of using this chemical:

1.decrease in exhaust temperature
2.decrease in adhesive carbon to exhaust valve, injector nozzle, piston ring and crown
3.decrease in smoke Bosch number from exhaust pipe
4.decrease in rate wear of piston ring and cylinder liner
5.decrease in dirt deposits in turbocharger turbine blades
6.decrease in lube oil carbon contamination
7.ensures complete burnout of carbon and hydrocarbon

this are some of the chemical specifications:

Chemical name: "ferrocene" Dicyclopentadienyliron
Chemical formula: (C5H5)2Fe
appearance: orange crystalline solid
application: combustion catalyst
CAS No. 102-54-5

also, according to the instruction manual, this chemical is should be mixed with fuel oil at 25ppm concentration in order to attain maximum effectiveness.. On board, we are mixing 1kg of ferrocene into 40 MT of fuel oil..

given the SG of diesel is 0.8796
40MT of diesel is 45500 ltrs
1000grams of ferrocene into 45500 ltrs of diesel oil
gives 0.02 grams of ferrocene/liter of diesel
which in the case of my pajero fuel tank of 92 liters capacity, in order for me to attain 25ppm effective concentration,
I only need to mix 1.8 grams of ferrocene per 1 full tank / 92 liters of my pajero.

1.8 grams per 92 liters of diesel oil, sulit po dba?!?

plus pa the benefits stipulated on the manual for using this chemical wich is listed above. sulit na sulit!!!

Anyway, hindi pa po ako nakagamit nito personally because on board pa po ako ngayon. I'll keep you informed regarding the results positive man or negative once i used this chemical/fuel additive on my own ride.

Any feedbacks, appreciated po.
More horsepower mga sirs!!!
God bless us all.


mga sirs, very sorry po for the late update regarding sa ferrocene try out ko...na delay po kc vessel disembarkation ko at pagbalik ng pinas, very busy pa...any way, heto na po result ng ferrocene on my 2.5L 4d56 TDIC M/T pajero..

*first run . without ferrocene
26 november 2010...0800H
filled up at guimbal, iloilo (autostop)
reset trip meter
travelled from guimbal to san joaquin, iloilo then back to guimbal.
re filled tank(autostop) at guimbal at the same gas station and the same pump.
consumed 3.656 liters of petron diesel max.. trip meter read 50.1 kms.
result at 13.7 kms/ltr
which is my normal hi-way driving fuel consumption...and i always get this fc even on previous years..on this route.


* second run . with 4 grams ferrocene mixed on my fuel tank of 92 liters capacity.
06 december 2010...0800H
filled up at guimbal, iloilo (autostop)
reset trip meter
travelled from guimbal to san joaquin, iloilo then back to guimbal.
refilled tank(autostop) at guimbal at the same gas station and the same pump.
consumed 2.839 liters of petron diesel max (with ferrocene)..
trip meter read 50.1 kms.
result at 17.6 kms/ltr
which showed a 28.4 % increase in fuel mileage...
(this was at 50ppm ferrocene concentration at initial use..havent tried the 25 ppm concentration yet which the manual suggests on the following usage)
i'll keep you posted mga sirs...

[eugene emmanuel]

btw, another comparison po mga sir on my pajero's fc with and without ferrocene..

07 september 2009..without ferrocene
filled up (autostop) at guimbal gas station..reset trip meter.
travelled from guimbal to iloilo city then back to guimbal...
(trip consisted of 49.4 kms of hiway driving and 12.2 kms of ct driving)
re filled at guimbal (autostop) at the same gas station and same pump.
consumed 5.114 ltrs
trip meter at 61.6 kms
fc mixed ct and hiway drive at 12 kms/ltr
roundtrip costs Php 185.9 at Php 36.35/liter of diesel

14 december 2010...with ferrocene
filled up (autostop) at guimbal gas station..reset trip meter.
travelled from guimbal to iloilo city then back to guimbal...
(trip consisted of 49.4 kms of hiway driving and 12.6 kms of ct driving)
re filled at guimbal (autostop) at the same gas station and same pump.
consumed 3.842 ltrs
trip meter at 62.0 kms
fc mixed ct and hiway drive at 16.1 kms/ltr
round trip costs Php 156.95 at Php 40.85/liter of diesel

thanks ferrocene for the additional 4 kms/ltr, a 33% increase in fuel mileage.
this trip is my typical route from hometown, to city proper doing some errands, then back to hometown..

[edpsison]

is it applicable din po ba mga tsikoteers sa bago car yun additives???

[shelu]

where can we buy this? is this available locally? noting that youre working abroad.

[rmpmla]

Helow mga sirs!
Newbie lang po sa tsikot. Pwede po makisali sa tread nato? interesting po kc.

have anyone heared of using "ferrocene" as fuel additive?

I'm planning kc of using this chemical for my 2.5L TDIC Pajero but were not sure of the possible effects on small automotive engines. baka may naka gamit na po sa inyo, pls share any results either positive or negative.

Actually we are using this chemical on marine diesel engines (as big as 24000bhp output) for almost 6 yrs and d results were very satisfactory, in terms of lessening engine carbon deposits, oil contamination and engine wear.

According to the instruction manual of this additive the following are the benefits of using this chemical:

1.decrease in exhaust temperature
2.decrease in adhesive carbon to exhaust valve, injector nozzle, piston ring and crown
3.decrease in smoke Bosch number from exhaust pipe
4.decrease in rate wear of piston ring and cylinder liner
5.decrease in dirt deposits in turbocharger turbine blades
6.decrease in lube oil carbon contamination
7.ensures complete burnout of carbon and hydrocarbon

this are some of the chemical specifications:

Chemical name: "ferrocene" Dicyclopentadienyliron
Chemical formula: (C5H5)2Fe
appearance: orange crystalline solid
application: combustion catalyst
CAS No. 102-54-5

also, according to the instruction manual, this chemical is should be mixed with fuel oil at 25ppm concentration in order to attain maximum effectiveness.. On board, we are mixing 1kg of ferrocene into 40 MT of fuel oil..

given the SG of diesel is 0.8796
40MT of diesel is 45500 ltrs
1000grams of ferrocene into 45500 ltrs of diesel oil
gives 0.02 grams of ferrocene/liter of diesel
which in the case of my pajero fuel tank of 92 liters capacity, in order for me to attain 25ppm effective concentration,
I only need to mix 1.8 grams of ferrocene per 1 full tank / 92 liters of my pajero.

1.8 grams per 92 liters of diesel oil, sulit po dba?!?

plus pa the benefits stipulated on the manual for using this chemical wich is listed above. sulit na sulit!!!

Anyway, hindi pa po ako nakagamit nito personally because on board pa po ako ngayon. I'll keep you informed regarding the results positive man or negative once i used this chemical/fuel additive on my own ride.

Any feedbacks, appreciated po.
More horsepower mga sirs!!!
God bless us all.


mga sirs, very sorry po for the late update regarding sa ferrocene try out ko...na delay po kc vessel disembarkation ko at pagbalik ng pinas, very busy pa...any way, heto na po result ng ferrocene on my 2.5L 4d56 TDIC M/T pajero..

*first run . without ferrocene
26 november 2010...0800H
filled up at guimbal, iloilo (autostop)
reset trip meter
travelled from guimbal to san joaquin, iloilo then back to guimbal.
re filled tank(autostop) at guimbal at the same gas station and the same pump.
consumed 3.656 liters of petron diesel max.. trip meter read 50.1 kms.
result at 13.7 kms/ltr
which is my normal hi-way driving fuel consumption...and i always get this fc even on previous years..on this route.


* second run . with 4 grams ferrocene mixed on my fuel tank of 92 liters capacity.
06 december 2010...0800H
filled up at guimbal, iloilo (autostop)
reset trip meter
travelled from guimbal to san joaquin, iloilo then back to guimbal.
refilled tank(autostop) at guimbal at the same gas station and the same pump.
consumed 2.839 liters of petron diesel max (with ferrocene)..
trip meter read 50.1 kms.
result at 17.6 kms/ltr
which showed a 28.4 % increase in fuel mileage...
(this was at 50ppm ferrocene concentration at initial use..havent tried the 25 ppm concentration yet which the manual suggests on the following usage)
i'll keep you posted mga sirs...

Have googled this fuel additive and it seemed to be effective.

Ferox ang brand name for consumer users. Kaya lang wala pa yata dito sa pinas

[nvidi.turion]

Stricter emissions standards have resulted in large changes to the composition of automotive diesel fuels.

In particular, the refining steps required to remove excess sulfur from diesel fuels has led to a significant loss of lubricity.

Whether measured by the High Frequency Reciprocating Rig or Sliding Ball tests, low and ultra-low sulfur diesels have poorer lubricity than the older diesel fuels.

Bosch even uses brand-new injection pumps to test diesel fuels for suitability - a rather expensive method.

This problem can be aided by the addition of additives which boost the fuel's lubricity - like 2T oil.

Increasing the fuel's lubricity is a common practice in diesel fuel additives.

:megaphone: PM mo din ako sir... tnx

[duskylim]

Dear Sirs:

I will be attending with my buddies from the Mazda B2200/B2500 club (check out our thread sa Mazda cars section) a "4x4 jamboree on the 29th and 30th na gagawin sa Molino, Bacoor, Cavite."

There I will be bringing many samples of my diesel fuel additive, for sale and distribution to the group.

We will 1st meet at the McDo along Macapagal highway near SM Mall of Asia, then will convoy to the jamboree.

If you would like to buy some additive just meet me and the club at the McDo early on Sunday morning (will post the time when we settle on it) and I will be glad to sell you some.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

P.S. Php 100 for a 335 ml bottle and Php 500 for 6 bottles (my 5-6 discount!).

[dvldoc]

This is probably the best study done on diesel fuel additives. 2T oil scores pretty high. I will say no doubt in my Elgrand it ran so much smoother with the 2T especially after the 2nd tank of gas. Even the annoying harsh shutter at shut off of the engine went away. Idles nice and quiet and does not shake like it did when I first got it. And I beat the hell out of my engine but purrs like a kitten. Had my sister in-law neighbor add it to his Kia van which was very rough running now runs totally different. Much smoother and way quieter. That's just my observation on the 2T, I will keep running it for the life of the engine.

http://rivrdog.typepad.com/files/cop...-version-3.pdf

[eugene emmanuel]

where can we buy this? is this available locally? noting that youre working abroad.

i'm sorry sir...wala pa nga po yata nito sa pinas...pero, baka meron sa local marine suppliers..
sana nga, available na to locally para magamit ng publiko...(after passing proper tests)