Diesel Additive/Injection Cleaner???

[irmaverick]

sir, OT lang. pero tanong lang po... may nabasa po kase ako ditong post sa isang thread na hindi daw po advisable na maglagay ng additive. mejo confused lang po kase ako, o may mga ibang additive brands po ba na hindi magandang gamitin?? sumubok din ako ng diesel additive nung dati pa, binili ko pa ata un sa ace hardware. gumanda naman ang hatak ng makina ko, tapos walang kausok-usok ang kotse. pero nabasa ko sa isang post na hindi daw magandang gumamit ng additive. hahanapin ko po ung post na un mga sir. pagpapatuloy ko pa rin ba ung paggamit ng additive?? as in wala po ba syang maaapektuhan sa makina??

[ghosthunter]

continuous use of F2020 Fuel Saver will help your old engine runs smoother and longer your mileage and in addition it will lower your opacity emission. big industrial and shipping companies are using our product sir. F2020 Fuel Saver is organic, 80% palm oil yung 20% organic din pero i can't disclose what it is.

fuel additives is a waste of money. It is just like burning your money.

a good condition engine will run smooth and have "good" emissions.

if the engine is running rough and/or emitting 'bad" emissions, using a fuel additive will just cover up the problem, not solve it.

Not fixing the problem when it's small will just make it bigger and probably more expensive to fix later.

[duskylim]

Dear Sirs:

There is no denying that the use and benefits of diesel fuel additives are among the most controversial automotive topics today.

That said, some people's blanket statements about them - unsupported by trials and facts are not helpful and are definitely prejudiced.

After making and using my own diesel fuel additive for the past decade (since the year 2000), I for one believe that there are products out there worth investigating.

There are also some worthless and downright bad products for sale.

It is up to the user/vehicle owner to try and judge for himself - buyer beware.

I invite all skeptics and naysayers to try out a few products that I make or recommend.

I myself have not tried F2020 but I am willing to test it.

Many famous technology companies i.e. Robert Bosch, Caterpillar, Nippon-Denso, are attempting sophisticated mechanical and electronic solutions to the problem of the diesel engine.

Their best results to date have been achieved with the so-called Common-Rail, Direct-Injection system.

Progress has been tremendous as can be seen in the performance of the modern diesel engines on the late model cars today.

Nonetheless even these technological marvels have not been without their problems.

Look at the number of complaints posted over Toyota's D4D diesels (injection by Nippon-Denso).

These are in addition to the problems of Toyota vehicles in general as seen by their recalls.

Did you notice how quiet Toyota Philippines has been over these problems?
Where are our Philippine recalls of defective Toyota products?

In fact more than a few Toyota agents have posted here anonymously in a boldface attempt to defend their company's products and blame the customer for his problems.

Toyota is not the only defective manufacturer out there - as the numerous recall posts prove.

So many times the problems you experience are BUILT IN DEFECTS by the manufacturer and NOT YOUR FAULT.

Here's a chance to put your money where your mouth is:

I challenge the skeptics out there to try out my diesel additive on older model (pre-2000) diesel engines.

If there is no significant improvement, I will give you your money back - how about that?

PM me if you're interested trying this out.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

Note - that's my REAL NAME - I don't make anonymous posts.

[onmicha]

Good day to all. I really don't advice diesel additives or any form of additives. Using it is like, you are trying to lie or cheat your engine. I'm not so sure how to explain it, but its like telling your engine you are using this kind of fuel, but it's not. I am not sure if this helps. I agree with the post above that changing oil is one way of keeping your engine running smooth, since it is just so dusty here in the Philippines.

[duskylim]

Good day to all. I really don't advice diesel additives or any form of additives. Using it is like, you are trying to lie or cheat your engine. I'm not so sure how to explain it, but its like telling your engine you are using this kind of fuel, but it's not. I am not sure if this helps. I agree with the post above that changing oil is one way of keeping your engine running smooth, since it is just so dusty here in the Philippines.

Dear Sir:

How do you cheat an engine?

Basically if you don't maintain your engine, unlike people, it does NOT tolerate abuse.

It will repay you with poor performance, bad fuel economy, a distinct lack of reliability and a short service life.

That is the beauty of industrialization - wala na yung pag-aapi or pandaraya - because if you try to do so the engine just fails to work right!

That is why it is much more satisfactory to work with machines than lawyers or politicians.

The standards for diesel fuel are published by several international standards bodies.

To wit, the general standards are:

American Standard - diesel fuel is covered by specification ASTM D975

European Standard - diesel fuel is covered by specification EN 590

Note - diesel fuel is NOT A SINGLE petro-chemical.

It is a BLEND (pinag-halo halo) of HUNDREDS of petroleum distillates.

The exact composition varies even from the SAME company and the SAME refinery - depending upon the availability and cost of the components.

One of the skills of the refiner is to try to make a similar product each time from various differing components.

Sa madaling salita, pa-bago-bago ang timpla ng DIESEL depende sa materialyes na na-bili ng gumagawa, kahit galing pa siya sa parehong companya o pabrika.

Please study harder on the topic BEFORE you make your opinion.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[ramledi]

I've been using bio-diesels for some time now. 2 times that i have my injectors cleaned and it is very surprising that the carbon buildup is very minimal than the time when i was still not using bio-diesels.

do a research about bio-diesels and you will learn a lot.

[irmaverick]

I've been using bio-diesels for some time now. 2 times that i have my injectors cleaned and it is very surprising that the carbon buildup is very minimal than the time when i was still not using bio-diesels.

do a research about bio-diesels and you will learn a lot.

paps, san ka nagpapakarga ng biodiesel?? naghahanap ako biodiesel dito sa min, pero wala akong mahanap. imus ang area ko

[duskylim]

I've been using bio-diesels for some time now. 2 times that i have my injectors cleaned and it is very surprising that the carbon buildup is very minimal than the time when i was still not using bio-diesels.

do a research about bio-diesels and you will learn a lot.

Sir:

Please refer to my post #19 regarding biodiesels.

I have tried using Flying V biodiesel, City Oil green diesel and SeaOil Biodiesel.

In both cases, I can definitely say that compared to my usual choices, namely: Shell, Petron and Total (in that order of preference), those biodiesels,

1) definitely smoke the same or more
2) have less power/performance
3) give poorer fuel economy

All in all my experience with their use is definitely Negative.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

[ramledi]

paps, san ka nagpapakarga ng biodiesel?? naghahanap ako biodiesel dito sa min, pero wala akong mahanap. imus ang area ko

dati sa flying-v molino ako nagpapakarga tapos add ako ng 1 liter na envirotek bio-diesel(php152/liter-bottle) kaso nagsawa ako sa kakadayo. kaya sa daang hari na ako nagpapakarga(shell or petron), mas convenient kasi. tapos nag-stock ako ng 1 box ng biodiesel(bio-activ or envirotek). every full tank ko 1 bottle ang nilalagay ko.

[ramledi]

Sir:

Please refer to my post #19 regarding biodiesels.

I have tried using Flying V biodiesel, City Oil green diesel and SeaOil Biodiesel.

In both cases, I can definitely say that compared to my usual choices, namely: Shell, Petron and Total (in that order of preference), those biodiesels,

1) definitely smoke the same or more
2) have less power/performance
3) give poorer fuel economy

All in all my experience with their use is definitely Negative.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

for me i got a positive result(less smoke, more power) filling up at flying-v. maybe because i have an older engine(4ja1). but sometimes i must say that performance is not always the same. maybe because they get their supply from another supplier.

but now i fill up at shell or petron for its convenience. going to flying-v station would take me 4kms to go there plus the traffic. a bit of a hassle.

[povillo]

[quote=duskylim;1481240]Dear Sirs:

Is your product available now for trial ? i have an Adventure98' i would give it a try. im from Cavite.

[duskylim]

Dear povillo:

Yes it is available. Thank you for your interest.

Please PM me for the details as this forum frowns upon blatant and self-serving marketing and promotion.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[lazyfoot]

i dont have anything about BIODIESEL but hindi kya mag sebo since pra syang mantika bka in the long run eh mag clog sa injectors. just to cents what do u think?

the problem with biodiesel is that they usually produce lower heat. it usually prevents the diesel particulate filter from heating up enough to burn the particles it collects. That's why BMW does not recommend BIODIESEL for their diesel cars.

[ramones283]

try nyo Oberon Diesel Additive anti black smoke much much cheaper and cost effective than other additives more than biodiesel coz of its 1/30 ratio. 10ml lang gud for 30 liters of diesel na.

san ba ito nilalagay? sa fuel or oil?

[duskylim]

the problem with biodiesel is that they usually produce lower heat. it usually prevents the diesel particulate filter from heating up enough to burn the particles it collects. That's why BMW does not recommend BIODIESEL for their diesel cars.

Dear Sirs:

Just to clear things up, the process of making bio-diesel removes soaps and glycerin from the bio-oil, which are responsible for the gelling (sebo) during cold weather.

Therefore, unlike straight vegetable oils (SVO) bio-diesels do NOT gel, which in fact was the main reason for processing them into bio-diesel in the 1st place.

Surprisingly, in Germany, there are many stations selling bio-diesel (much more than here in the Philippines).

As long as they meet the required fuel standards, there should be no barrier to their use in any model diesel vehicle.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[eugene emmanuel]

Helow mga sirs!
Newbie lang po sa tsikot. Pwede po makisali sa tread nato? interesting po kc.

have anyone heared of using "ferrocene" as fuel additive?

I'm planning kc of using this chemical for my 2.5L TDIC Pajero but were not sure of the possible effects on small automotive engines. baka may naka gamit na po sa inyo, pls share any results either positive or negative.

Actually we are using this chemical on marine diesel engines (as big as 24000bhp output) for almost 6 yrs and d results were very satisfactory, in terms of lessening engine carbon deposits, oil contamination and engine wear.

According to the instruction manual of this additive the following are the benefits of using this chemical:

1.decrease in exhaust temperature
2.decrease in adhesive carbon to exhaust valve, injector nozzle, piston ring and crown
3.decrease in smoke Bosch number from exhaust pipe
4.decrease in rate wear of piston ring and cylinder liner
5.decrease in dirt deposits in turbocharger turbine blades
6.decrease in lube oil carbon contamination
7.ensures complete burnout of carbon and hydrocarbon

this are some of the chemical specifications:

Chemical name: "ferrocene" Dicyclopentadienyliron
Chemical formula: (C5H5)2Fe
appearance: orange crystalline solid
application: combustion catalyst
CAS No. 102-54-5

also, according to the instruction manual, this chemical is should be mixed with fuel oil at 25ppm concentration in order to attain maximum effectiveness.. On board, we are mixing 1kg of ferrocene into 40 MT of fuel oil..

given the SG of diesel is 0.8796
40MT of diesel is 45500 ltrs
1000grams of ferrocene into 45500 ltrs of diesel oil
gives 0.02 grams of ferrocene/liter of diesel
which in the case of my pajero fuel tank of 92 liters capacity, in order for me to attain 25ppm effective concentration,
I only need to mix 1.8 grams of ferrocene per 1 full tank / 92 liters of my pajero.

1.8 grams per 92 liters of diesel oil, sulit po dba?!?

plus pa the benefits stipulated on the manual for using this chemical wich is listed above. sulit na sulit!!!

Anyway, hindi pa po ako nakagamit nito personally because on board pa po ako ngayon. I'll keep you informed regarding the results positive man or negative once i used this chemical/fuel additive on my own ride.

Any feedbacks, appreciated po.
More horsepower mga sirs!!!
God bless us all.

[duskylim]

Sir Eugene:

From the name you quoted it's an Organo-Metallic compound.

Organo-metallics are entirely man-made synthetic materials - they have analogues in natures.

The organic portion is a cyclic (ring shaped) hydrocarbon with 5 carbon atoms in a ring surrounded hydrogen and attached to the iron (Fe).

From the quoted concentrations required it is a very economical additive.

We will await your evaluation with great anticipation.

[eugene emmanuel]

Sir duskylim,

tnx 4 d feedback sir..

i have read this thread and noted common downside of using fuel additive is failure of the engine caused by blocked fuel filter due to additive sediments trapped in it.

sir, may i please know the filtering capacity of automotive fuel filters used for conventional diesel engine in terms of microns?

onboard, we are using refiners/fine filters with 5 microns filtration limit.

and as per our experience, ferrocene dissolves cleanly especially if it is grounded fine prior to mixing with diesel, which is our handling procedure.

but we surely admit that we cannot observe 5 microns
undissolved particles
(if there would be any)

im going to try it anyway, and am not worried because "old school" diesel engines are not "maselan" compared to CRDIs, and can be easily rectified,
IF EVER trouble occured.

i am very much excited in trying out this additive, but still have to wait 2-3 months because im still under contract (onboard service).

please also note that im not always online due to my job's nature.

I will just post my evaluation results (positive and/or negative)
as soon as I tested it.

More horsepower..
God bless us all.

Eugene

[duskylim]

Sir duskylim,

tnx 4 d feedback sir..

i have read this thread and noted common downside of using fuel additive is failure of the engine caused by blocked fuel filter due to additive sediments trapped in it.

sir, may i please know the filtering capacity of automotive fuel filters used for conventional diesel engine in terms of microns?

onboard, we are using refiners/fine filters with 5 microns filtration limit.

and as per our experience, ferrocene dissolves cleanly especially if it is grounded fine prior to mixing with diesel, which is our handling procedure.

but we surely admit that we cannot observe 5 microns
undissolved particles
(if there would be any)

im going to try it anyway, and am not worried because "old school" diesel engines are not "maselan" compared to CRDIs, and can be easily rectified,
IF EVER trouble occured.

i am very much excited in trying out this additive, but still have to wait 2-3 months because im still under contract (onboard service).

please also note that im not always online due to my job's nature.

I will just post my evaluation results (positive and/or negative)
as soon as I tested it.

More horsepower..
God bless us all.

Eugene

Dear Eugene:

Most automotive air, oil and fuel filters are made from specially selected and treated filter papers, what may be described as a better, heavy-duty analogue of the filter papers used in Chemistry.

The quality of the paper, its coatings and treatment dictate the overall filtration qualities of the filter.

Of course there are other issues, like the filter casing, glues and seals and by-pass valving but those are not directly related to filtration.

Since this material is delivered as a solid with limited solubility in diesel fuel (which is why you have to grind it up), then the fines (solid materials left undissolved) will be trapped by a good fuel filter BEFORE they can enter and damage the injection system.

The quality of the local filters available here vary considerably.

One of the most popular is VIC of Japan(?) but it actually rates very poorly in tests made abroad.

My answer to that is to replace the filters regularly on a shortened maintenance schedule to avoid most problems.

It is more expensive but is safer and insures better reliability.

For more information, there are many sites on the Web that deal with the particulars of oil, lubrication and filters.

One of the best (in my opinion) is BITOG - Bob Is The Oil Guy - a site run by professional petroleum and lubrication engineer's dedicated to helping out the common man on the street.

In my experience, ship engines are FAR more tolerant to poor quality fuels and lubricants than their automotive counterparts.

They run slower and are much more rugged in construction.

I myself make a diesel fuel additive which I use to improve power and fuel economy.

I have been doing this for several years now and I believe that I make one of the best if not the best diesel fuel additive available.

If you are ever in the Metro Manila - Q.C. area look me up and I will give you a sample and a ride in my diesel pickups.

P.M. me if you are interested.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

[eugene emmanuel]

Sir duskylim,

Pls PM me sir regarding your fuel additive, im also interested in trying it out for me to compare test results with ferrocene (guinea pig na pajero koh,).

This is just some sort of my personal hobby, and whichever of the two additives yielded (more) positive result, will definitely gain its place in my fuel tank in the long run.

Pls include the concentration required (quantity of additive / quantity of diesel),
benefits of using the product, downside or negative effects of using the product (if any), and price per certain volume bought.

Tnx and best regards...

Eugene