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    #681
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    seems that they are using the hyundai blueprint, 5 years waaranty to prove reliability and durability of their cars, it would indeed be interesting to see how they would further improve on their current line-up. Isang maganda kotse lang yan, and they may get the trust of the public IMHO....
    Chery offered 5-year warranties too but I still don't see anymore Coca-Cola's Chery QQ or Z-plate Chery QQs I noticed only N-plate Chery QQs running. It means na kahit may warranty kung talagang sira na yung kotse, sira na. Madaming exclusions ang warranty lalo na kung may wear and tear ang piyesa. Kung hindi i-hohonor ng dealership sira pa din ang kotse mo. 5-years man ang warranty.

    To germs naman, may planta man o wala, naka assemble man o hindi, kung wala naman bibili magsasara din yan.

    Look at BMW plant by Columbian during the 90s o Mercedes Benz during 60 and 70s. German Cars na yan nagsara pa, paano pa kaya ang Chinese brand na hindi naman strong ang presence.

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    #682
    Quote Originally Posted by germs View Post
    puntahan mo yung dating planta ng franciso motors, then saka ka magsabi na walang planta ang great wall dito. :D haha

    don't believe everything you read unless you can confirm it yourself :D haha
    Siguro naman the plant is there nga, but they still do have to purchase it (if they still haven't done so), refurbish it (siguradong kabulok-bulok na yan due to long time disuse, considering FMC's age, and long absence), and retrofit it with their equipment.

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    #683
    Quote Originally Posted by germs View Post
    puntahan mo yung dating planta ng franciso motors, then saka ka magsabi na walang planta ang great wall dito. :D haha

    don't believe everything you read unless you can confirm it yourself :D haha
    Sabi ng salesman ng Great Wall assembled in China lahat ng GW cars na binebenta nila sa Pilipinas.

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    #684
    saan ba yung francisco motors na yan? and ano yung binubuo nila dati? mga jeep body ba?

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    #685
    Quote Originally Posted by locoroco777 View Post
    saan ba yung francisco motors na yan? and ano yung binubuo nila dati? mga jeep body ba?
    Las Pinas dyan ang LTO compound.
    Yes jeepney dati then yung Anfra utility vehicle. Yung dating planta ng francisco yan ang iretrofit ng GW para gawing assy plant.

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    #686
    Quote Originally Posted by weisshorn View Post
    Las Pinas dyan ang LTO compound.
    Yes jeepney dati then yung Anfra utility vehicle. Yung dating planta ng francisco yan ang iretrofit ng GW para gawing assy plant.
    Dapat yung Coolbear at Haval M2 ang gawin nila dito imbes nayang Wingle at Hover.Yung Coolbear eh marami-rami nang mayroon nyan.

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    #687
    Quote Originally Posted by andywesteast View Post
    Sabi ng salesman ng Great Wall assembled in China lahat ng GW cars na binebenta nila sa Pilipinas.
    that's true. the locally assembled units are still undergoing tests before being released here in our market. plus i think it has different specs.

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    #688
    Uy, I saw a Great Wall Cool Bear kanina! Blue, with aftermarket rims, low-profile tires, spoiler, and DUB SHOP sticker sa windshield visor area! Sayang di ko na-pictyuran

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    #689
    May naka pagsabi sa akin na maraming coolbear sa kalsada ng Angeles, Pampanga. Sa mga taga tsikoter dyan how true is this?

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    #690
    bka mga second hand xb yung nakikita nila

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    #691
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioKnight View Post
    In terms of performance, it is really slow and weak. It was almost unable to get up the ramp from the Ayala mall basement parking. I had to turn the a/c off and hold my breath (not sure if that helped). According to a friend riding with me, the girls in a 90s model Pajero behind us were laughing at us. Hehe Fun.

    I can tell that reliability is also bad. It was still a pretty new car but it would already rattle like a poorly serviced 15 year old corolla.**
    Malayo pa China cars in terms of Reliability and Durability

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    #692
    a month ago may nakausap ako sa isang parking lot na ang drive ay Hover 4x2. Out of curiosity kinumusta ko how is the Hover, ang sagot "ok lang". hindi ko na inusisa kung gaano ka ok ang ok lang. Sa parte ng FC naman ang sabi comparable sa isuzu crosswind ang consumo. Don't know how true pero ang makina ay 2.8L CRDi (bosch system) with 95 HP output eh mataas ng kunti lang keysa Isuzu 4ja1 which is conventional diesel injection system. Ibig sabihin ang FC ay 12-14 km/L diesel. I believe the guy is telling the truth.

    Ano sa opinion nyo mga brother?

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    #693
    Quote Originally Posted by eljo3025 View Post
    Chery offered 5-year warranties too but I still don't see anymore Coca-Cola's Chery QQ or Z-plate Chery QQs I noticed only N-plate Chery QQs running. It means na kahit may warranty kung talagang sira na yung kotse, sira na. Madaming exclusions ang warranty lalo na kung may wear and tear ang piyesa. Kung hindi i-hohonor ng dealership sira pa din ang kotse mo. 5-years man ang warranty. - just to clarify, i did not mean na just because my 5-year warranty ay ok na. Again, time will tell. My point is that it seems that ginagaya nila yung Hyundai. Again, time will tell if ok nga sila or hindi.

    To germs naman, may planta man o wala, naka assemble man o hindi, kung wala naman bibili magsasara din yan.

    Look at BMW plant by Columbian during the 90s o Mercedes Benz during 60 and 70s. German Cars na yan nagsara pa, paano pa kaya ang Chinese brand na hindi naman strong ang presence.
    - mahirap magsalita ng tapos. Kung yung kia pride nga pinagtatawanan ngaun, look at them now. Marami din chinese cmpany ang succesful na. Lenovo is one, Huawei din. Again, mahirap magsalita ng tapos but of course anyone can express their opinion.

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    #694
    Quote Originally Posted by weisshorn View Post
    a month ago may nakausap ako sa isang parking lot na ang drive ay Hover 4x2. Out of curiosity kinumusta ko how is the Hover, ang sagot "ok lang". hindi ko na inusisa kung gaano ka ok ang ok lang. Sa parte ng FC naman ang sabi comparable sa isuzu crosswind ang consumo. Don't know how true pero ang makina ay 2.8L CRDi (bosch system) with 95 HP output eh mataas ng kunti lang keysa Isuzu 4ja1 which is conventional diesel injection system. Ibig sabihin ang FC ay 12-14 km/L diesel. I believe the guy is telling the truth.

    Ano sa opinion nyo mga brother?
    - siguro sir kung meron pang ibang testimony para mas credible. Pero yug 95HP para sa CRDi ay mababa for a 2.8 engine. 4m40 nga na mechanical fuel pump 125hp na. 140 yung EFI.

    But since mababa hp rating niya kaya pwedeng matipid nga. But its difficult to tell nga lang

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    #695
    ^ mababa pa ba 95 hp? stock engine specs for 2.8 ltr 4JB1 engine is 52.2 kw or 70 hp according to this link >

    http://salika.com/german/images/Sample06EnGe.pdf

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    #696
    Quote Originally Posted by ecozone View Post
    ^ mababa pa ba 95 hp? stock engine specs for 2.8 ltr 4JB1 engine is 52.2 kw or 70 hp according to this link >

    http://salika.com/german/images/Sample06EnGe.pdf
    Relative to 4m40 and considering na CRDi siya as claimed above, IMO mababa nga siya.

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    #697
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Relative to 4m40 and considering na CRDi siya as claimed above, IMO mababa nga siya.
    ah ok, baka naman sa max torque bumawi like 225nm * 1600-2000 rpm or more..

    just basing on other china cars na gumagamit ng 4JB1 crdi engine.

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    #698
    Quote Originally Posted by weisshorn View Post
    a month ago may nakausap ako sa isang parking lot na ang drive ay Hover 4x2. Out of curiosity kinumusta ko how is the Hover, ang sagot "ok lang". hindi ko na inusisa kung gaano ka ok ang ok lang. Sa parte ng FC naman ang sabi comparable sa isuzu crosswind ang consumo. Don't know how true pero ang makina ay 2.8L CRDi (bosch system) with 95 HP output eh mataas ng kunti lang keysa Isuzu 4ja1 which is conventional diesel injection system. Ibig sabihin ang FC ay 12-14 km/L diesel. I believe the guy is telling the truth.

    Ano sa opinion nyo mga brother?
    95hp for a 2.8L CRDI? That's rather low...

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    #699
    Malamang isuzu 4jb1-t 2.8 turbo makina nila. Given na yung chassis design looks like it came from d-max or fuego chassis the engine most certainly will fit the bill with little mods.

    I doubt the 4m40 will be used para kasing ang laki ng block ng Mitsu, kaya modified pa yung engine support unlike kung isuzu engine and chassis swak agadd. kopyahin lang ibang parts ok na. Tsaka ang 4m40 was never fitted with direct injection unlike 4JB1.

    Some things to note: 4M40 is SOHC while 4JB1 is OHV in design. which is which?

    The difference will be the grade in metal used vs. the isuzu japan...

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    #700
    double post
    Last edited by blue_gambit; March 2nd, 2011 at 01:54 AM.

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