Chery Cars Philippines (Iseway Motors)

[niky]

example natin ang proton-->mitsu technology, pero pangit ang support, kaya di tumagal. nexus-->overpriced chinese cars kasi tunog luxury daw(lexus) chery(yup near to chevy) baka competitive na ang price, ang car kaya? malalaman natin yan kung may mga buyers na nag-dare bumili...at mga test drivers natin sa tsikot ang nagtest na din...

ps > sir carlo, pag tesdrive kayo, PM nyo ako dito, please?

Actually, Protons used a lot of Japanese parts at first, which is why they were good (remember the wira? Decent car for a great price... simply because it was, in all respects, a Lancer with a Malaysian-made body)... where they went downhill is when they started relying more on local manufacturers for subcontracted parts... accepted poor quality parts from these suppliers... made complacent by the fact that the Malaysian government turned the country into a practically closed market to force people to buy local cars... and allowed quality to go downhill.

Any business not forced to compete on a level playing field is in trouble once the market becomes open or globalized.

we have to thank the chinese for giving us consumers more affordable and rightly priced products..

yung mga tumitira ng copyright infringements dito sa forum nito about chinese e malamang siguro ang ginagamit na DVD player nyan sa bahay e Sony o kaya naman Philips, tapos ang sound system nyan e bose..

pero siguro karamihan naman sa atin ang ginagamit na DVD player sa bahay e yung mga gawang china..

e ano.. kung puro sony at philips ang DVd players na nakikita natin sa market e baka bihira lang ang maka afford na pinoy.. 2x the price ng chinese made DVD players ang Sony DVD players..pero the quality is roughly the same din..

Chinese cars are a big help for us Filipinos.. marami sa atin na malalayo at inaccessible ang trabaho at bahay..

I use a Korean TV... a Polytron... have had it for six years with no problems. My DVD player is either Korean or Chinese, I have no idea which.

I drive an "American" car, my Dad drives a Korean car, and my Mom uses a Japanese vehicle.

I'm hardly a Sony snob, or a Philips snob.

BUT: Coypright infringement by Chinese automakers is definitely a big deal. Are they giving us competitive vehicles for good prices? No. These manufacturers cut corners everywhere, and the fact that they "copycat" designs is a symptom of this.

They spend very little money on design and development by copying foreign cars wholesale. They fool consumers into associating their cars with more expensive, better made vehicles, and fob stuff off on them of very poor quality, reliability and strength (those crash test scores of zero are NO joke).

More affordable? Yes. But there's a reason for that. They're more affordable because they're very cheap to build... care to wager why?

I talked to a couple of people who use JAC vehicles... can you say "overhaul" in less than a year? And this is for funeral homes, who don't use the vehicles daily or in traffic (probinsya pa ito!), not like rental fleet or cargo fleet owners.

And have you seen the sheetmetal on these things? I saw a Chinese SUV the other day that looked exactly like a Prado. Except Prados don't look like they're made by Francisco Motors (no offense to them, but...)... the sheetmetal was rough, poorly finished, and looked hand-painted. I've seen better work by backyard lateros.

That's why some Chinese manufacturers try to entice people into buying their vehicles by stating that they have an "Isuzu" engine or a "Nissan" engine... but this simple change raises the price a lot... uncomfortably close to the price of an Isuzu or a Nissan with the Isuzu or Nissan engine as stock...

It's a false economy. You can buy a DVD player for 3,000 that will last 60% as long as a 7,000 peso DVD player... but how long would a 1,000 peso DVD player last? If it only lasts a few months before it starts getting erratic, then you'll be on your tenth player by the time the 3k or 7k player conks out. There's a point at which cheap enough becomes too cheap, and you end up spending more because you end up with junk that needs replacing.

Only time will tell if any of the Chinese automakers will step up to the challenge of producing vehicles that will meet international standards of safety, emissions, and reliability. In the meantime, they're producing junk to make money, like the Koreans of a few decades ago... over time, the Korean companies have grown. Those who were serious about making changes and concentrating on quality have survived and prospered. The others have fallen by the wayside.

Sure you want to gamble on a Chinese company that doesn't have the word "quality" in their mission statement?

[yuichi]

we want QQ!we want QQ!we want QQ!we want QQ!

:thud:

[BlueBimmer]

:idea: ayoko na ng tucson! gusto ko tig isang model ng Chery nalang for the price of one tucson! QQ + rav4 lookalike, may sukli pa ako :clap:

[oldblue]

Sure you want to gamble on a Chinese company that doesn't have the word "quality" in their mission statement?

they say there is a billion chinese in China. if 10% of them uses this vehicle brand ... ok na

[smooth]

They spend very little money on design and development by copying foreign cars wholesale. They fool consumers into associating their cars with more expensive, better made vehicles, and fob stuff off on them of very poor quality, reliability and strength (those crash test scores of zero are NO joke).

More affordable? Yes. But there's a reason for that. They're more affordable because they're very cheap to build... care to wager why?

I talked to a couple of people who use JAC vehicles... can you say "overhaul" in less than a year? And this is for funeral homes, who don't use the vehicles daily or in traffic (probinsya pa ito!), not like rental fleet or cargo fleet owners.

And have you seen the sheetmetal on these things? I saw a Chinese SUV the other day that looked exactly like a Prado. Except Prados don't look like they're made by Francisco Motors (no offense to them, but...)... the sheetmetal was rough, poorly finished, and looked hand-painted. I've seen better work by backyard lateros.

That's why some Chinese manufacturers try to entice people into buying their vehicles by stating that they have an "Isuzu" engine or a "Nissan" engine... but this simple change raises the price a lot... uncomfortably close to the price of an Isuzu or a Nissan with the Isuzu or Nissan engine as stock...

It's a false economy. You can buy a DVD player for 3,000 that will last 60% as long as a 7,000 peso DVD player... but how long would a 1,000 peso DVD player last? If it only lasts a few months before it starts getting erratic, then you'll be on your tenth player by the time the 3k or 7k player conks out. There's a point at which cheap enough becomes too cheap, and you end up spending more because you end up with junk that needs replacing.

Only time will tell if any of the Chinese automakers will step up to the challenge of producing vehicles that will meet international standards of safety, emissions, and reliability. In the meantime, they're producing junk to make money, like the Koreans of a few decades ago... over time, the Korean companies have grown. Those who were serious about making changes and concentrating on quality have survived and prospered. The others have fallen by the wayside.

Sure you want to gamble on a Chinese company that doesn't have the word "quality" in their mission statement?

we haven't met personally but through your posts i can glean that you're a reasonable man. i only say this because i am going to disagree with you (and i hope you won't take this personally). first, there are many members of our society who will value price above all else. ukay-ukay's prosper. we're a "tingi" economy. cellphone load go for as low as 3 pesos. people will fight and kill for a 1 peso change. "prinsipyo na pinaglalaban dito," ika nga nila.

what am i trying to say? if you haven't ridden on a single motorcycle with 4 other smelly passengers, then you haven't completely understood what its like to be in their social stratum on a visceral level. simply put, you're not their target market.

is the chery any less inferior than the owner-type jeep assembled by mang mando, the neighborhood handyman? don't forget, we're a nation who wouldn't mind driving an owner-type jeep, while smoking a burning cigarette, with the gas tank right under his a$$. i'm not espousing that we should embrace recklessness and forget safety, rather we should work with what we have. if the chery is what the country needs, then lets fix it to the point that we can achieve safety that is acceptable to most people. there must be room for compromise somewhere there.

quite frankly, if the price is right, i myself wouldn't mind jumping on the chery bandwagon. and if it breaks down after a year or two, with the way the chinese work, i'm hoping there will be more than enough spare parts to go around. that, or dump the sorry thing and get another one, especially if the price is right. i believe this is how the japanese started. a good game plan which was subsequently followed by the koreans. and now here come the chinese. could this be the next big three in the automobile world? i remember my grandparents used to laugh at anything made in japan back then. look where toyota is now.

[saipeme]

kung ipang di-divi mo lang or pang harabas mo lang din, aba, eto nalang kaysa yung car na inipunan mo-->atleast ung pandate mo di laspag:D

+1 ako sir...si kumander pa naman bago pa lang nag aaral mag drive and she is hesitant to drive our innova bulky daw for her...so the QQ will arrive tamang tama with the prize of 300k or maybe less better choice ito kesa 2nd hand car baka itirik lang si kumander kahit iharabas sa garahe namin or sa mga gutter ok lang!...by the time na bangas bangas na yong QQ sanay na siguro sya mag drive...then bili na ako nong A5 ganda ng porma yong pang altis ko may sukli pa hehehe...

[smooth]

That's pure BS. Go Chinese!!!

Little-known fact. When the United States was just starting out as a country in the 1800s, they also blatantly disregarded British patents for things like steam engines, printing presses, and other mechanical devices.

Why? the US justified this by saying they could not afford to respect the IPR of Great Britain, and if they did, they would be unable to "catch up" economically and technologically.

Now the shoe's on the other foot and they're all holier-than-thou.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

well said (er.. written?). ako din i'm cheering for the chinese.

fyi na din: sometime at the beginning of this century, some clairvoyant said that this will be the asian century (yay!). my history's a little foggy but didn't the american car industry have a big impact on the rise of the american economy? what is happening now might actually be the turning point. we might be living the pivotal point in world history. (to borrow a phrase from the nba) we are all witnesses!

[red01]

The Chery showroon will be open by first week of July. Tentative date yata ay July 1.

Yung parang Rav 4 nila nasa P700000 lang yata.

Intriguing kasi mura compared to the brands we have here. Can't wait to see reviews.

[smooth]

out of curiosity, are chery cars 100% chinese? wala silang parts na outsourced? i can't imagine a car whose parts are sourced 100% from one country. why? kasi (1) sobrang galing ng manufacturing sector ng china to be able to manufacture each and every nut and screw and bolt, and (2) ang astig na 100% self-sufficient ang car industry nila. how about the car's lights? the fuel injection system? the ECU? the brakes? the transmission? lahat ba ng ito made in china?

now kung may parts sila na outsourced, buti pumapayag ang supplier mag-supply sa kanila considering may "copyright infringement" ang vehicle/company na sinu-supplyan nila. bakit hindi ang outsourced supplier na ito ang tirahin ng copyright infringement? parang ang pagkakaalam ko, closely-knit "family" ang mga suppliers for a particular car company. ito ba yung "kaizen?" (please correct me if i'm wrong.) if that's the case, why would they supply a competitor, especially one that's a copycat?

now if the parts' specs are the same as the car na kinopyahan (for example, sa rav4), does this mean (1) ang galing ng chinese sa reverse engineering, or (2) china din ang nag-s-supply sa mga japanese cars all along? if its the latter, does this mean that the chery suv's parts' quality is not too far from the rav4? wow that surely makes the 700K even more appealing.

well, only time will tell i suppose. it would be interesting to re-read this thread one year after the introduction of chery into the local market.

[O!lman]

Ang balita ko pati Korean made cars ay may clone na rin! Hahaha...

[LexTer]

The Chery showroon will be open by first week of July. Tentative date yata ay July 1.

Yung parang Rav 4 nila nasa P700000 lang yata.

Intriguing kasi mura compared to the brands we have here. Can't wait to see reviews.

sir question lang po ito. kayo din po ba si mike01?

[saipeme]

tama ba ito? $3600 dollars lang daw ang chery QQ??

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...9010_mz001.htm

that means with a strong peso.. that's around 165,000 pesos lang?

even if you add taxes.. baka around 200k lang? hehehe..

so for sure..this will not go more than 300k.. roughly around 200-250k lang..

yehey!

mag sulatanghel ka sana hehehe...eh kung eto nga ang price tapos may financing pa sila 20% dp...tsk! tsk! tsk!...sigurado yong kumare ko na merong owner type jeep na nababasa kapag malakas ang ulan and pawisan tapos lagkit pakiramdam maitim pa pati butas ng ilong pag nag long distance travel maiiba na magiging wow! si kumare sosyyy na naka brand new airconditioned tsikot na

[LexTer]

what impact will this car have on the resale value of other cars?

imagine for 250k you could get a brand new airconditioned car sold globally with most probably at least 2 year warranty.. compare that to a 10 year old toyota corolla with questionable history and pain in the ass buying transactions.. san ka pa?

this will surely lower the demand for existing pre owned car thus lower their prices..

naku..kawawa yung mga existing car owners nito.. mahihirapan silang i dispatsa yung kotse nila sa mga hapless buyers..

di rin siguro sir. alam nyo naman karamihan na iisipin kagad ng pinoy is baka di matibay yan. baka mahirap parts nyan. alam nyo na. di naman sila nagbabasa ng forums tulad nito.
maybe after ilang years oo. kelangan pa nilang patunayan na safe at matibay cars nila. saka marami parts syempre.
ako man bago ako bumili nyan e maghihintay muna ako ng comments dun sa mga naunang bumili.

[BlueBimmer]

hmm may nahahalata ata ako sa isang poster dito....

[BlueBimmer]

sa motor din naman lumabas mga mas murang china brands di naman affected mga 2nd hand ng orig honda, suzuki ah

sure na sure ata ang isa dyan?

[LexTer]

well if it has at least 2 years warranty, what could be your fears about it di ba?

most people will be grabbing this car like crazy.. and these are the same people who are in the market for a pre-owned car..

.. so in a way this will greatly depreciate pre-owned cars.. and lower their selling price..

2 years warranty sa parts siguro. or kahit parts and service pa yan. pero sa safety kaya? saka warranty andun na tayo. e parts kaya meron. baka tipong 2 to 4 months yung sasakyan sa casa nila kasi nagpaparating or naghihintay pa ng parts. ayokong sakay ko anak ko then pag may natangal dyan habang tumatakbo e sasabihin ko sa sarili ko. ay di pala matibay. hehehe. ayoko nung porke mura grab agad.

kaya ako. wait muna ako feedbacks and comments. pag puro positive e ok sakin yan. chinese din naman ako e. hehehe. pero sa hitsura nung sasakyan e maganda sya. trip ko yung tiggo. sabi nila "Tiggo is built with all kinds of Chery toughness thorough and thorough. Indeed, developed with the help of Lotus Engineering and Mitsubishi Automotive Engineering, Tiggo is definitely a glaring power to be reckoned with. Ever wondering whether you adapt to environment or environment adapts to you? Try Tiggo, you’ll know!". hmnnnnn......

[red01]

Some info about chery: http://www.chinacarforums.com/chery_automobile.html

Regarding warranty parang sa ibang bansa 3 years ata. Sana dito din.

Isa pa, pag naipasa na ang Lemon Law sa atin then mas okay.

Lemon Law: http://uw.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=79866

*Sir Lexter: Hindi po ako si Mike01

[Syuryuken]

2 years warranty sa parts siguro. or kahit parts and service pa yan. pero sa safety kaya? saka warranty andun na tayo. e parts kaya meron. baka tipong 2 to 4 months yung sasakyan sa casa nila kasi nagpaparating or naghihintay pa ng parts. ayokong sakay ko anak ko then pag may natangal dyan habang tumatakbo e sasabihin ko sa sarili ko. ay di pala matibay. hehehe. ayoko nung porke mura grab agad.

kaya ako. wait muna ako feedbacks and comments. pag puro positive e ok sakin yan. chinese din naman ako e. hehehe. pero sa hitsura nung sasakyan e maganda sya. trip ko yung tiggo. sabi nila "Tiggo is built with all kinds of Chery toughness thorough and thorough. Indeed, developed with the help of Lotus Engineering and Mitsubishi Automotive Engineering, Tiggo is definitely a glaring power to be reckoned with. Ever wondering whether you adapt to environment or environment adapts to you? Try Tiggo, you’ll know!". hmnnnnn......

Mahirap ng matiggok ng wala sa oras

[alwayz_yummy]

as a training vehicle/pang araw-araw, ok siya for me.. sabi ko nga, kung di mabebenta ang owner namin, papagamit ko sa esmi ko para matutu mag-drive--mas ok lang kung madent ang full-stainless owner kaysa sa liteace lalo na yung maxima namin..

buying used one, well, pwede din, pero ok na ding bago-bago chinese brand...

nga pala, di lang chery ang chines brand sa atin, at nexus.. may company sa may delmonte ave sells clone- suzuki/daihatsu/mitsu micro van.. cant remember the name, something starts with F.. ok din pero cost 300-400T yung mga suzuki-s.carry/scrum-sized vans na yon.. mga 1000cc injected pa ang makina...

[orly_andico]

Only time will tell if any of the Chinese automakers will step up to the challenge of producing vehicles that will meet international standards of safety, emissions, and reliability. In the meantime, they're producing junk to make money, like the Koreans of a few decades ago... over time, the Korean companies have grown. Those who were serious about making changes and concentrating on quality have survived and prospered. The others have fallen by the wayside.

Sure you want to gamble on a Chinese company that doesn't have the word "quality" in their mission statement?

Niky,

The Chinese-manufactured VW Passat and Golf models looked pretty damn fine to me! ditto for their Audi cousins. The Chinese VAG plant is only 20% owned by VW, so it's majority Chinese.

In answer to the others: it's 100% legal even in Western countries to study a design for purposes of reverse-engineering it. That's why EULA's contain the restriction that you cannot reverse-engineer the software: because it is a given right, that the software vendor (e.g. Microsoft) has to explicitly take away from you in the EULA.

What is not legal is wholesale copying. The Chery QQ has 100% panel fit with the Chevy Spark.

BTW it's not called "Chery" as a pun on Chevy. "Chery" means something else in Chinese. Also the QQ base model is 192,000 pesos price (in RMB). So if it costs 300,000 here I wouldn't buy one.