Why Use Gas? Use Water!!.

[the_wildthing]

And unless you have an IQ higher than 160 (which is my IQ), you better shut up. The nerve!

Relax lang pare. You don't have to broadcast your IQ. "Smart men know what to say, wise men know whether or not to say it." - Frank M. Garafola

[oldblue]

Smart men know what to say, wise men know whether or not to say it.

wow sir. that's deep

[///MPower]

I had this theory before about Dingle's car. Although, in retrospect, Dingle isn't smart enough to implement my theory.

Companies such as Mercedes-Benz in Germany have developed hydrogen-powered buses in which the hydrogen is stored in a finely-divided metallic matrix. This is due to the fact that certain (expensive) metals "attract" hydrogen to their surface, and can store a huge amount of hydrogen.

Basically you have a sort of radiator-like matrix, force hydrogen into it over a period of time, and a whole lot of hydrogen will "bond" to the metal. Enough to power a bus.

How to extract this hydrogen? heat the metal. A simple resistive heater will do the trick. My theory was that Dingle's battery was such a fuel cell. So the hydrogen was pre-stored in the battery, and a nominal energy input, in the form of heat, used to release the stored hydrogen.

To the un-initiated, it would look exactly like vigorous electrolysis.

Yup. And therein lies the key. Hydrogen is only really useful as a storage device (and with the current effeciency of electrolysis, not a terribly efficient one). So to say something is "hydrogen-powered" or, in this context, "water-powered" is a bit of a misnomer.

[docgorio]

Daniel Dingel is at it again??!?! How much is gasoline na ba in Manila????

What makes me sadder is the fact that a lot of engineers believe him!!!!!!

[alwayz_yummy]

as i know, hyrogen is better off as a fuel cell powering electric motors/stuff in our car rather than a used in ICE(internal combustion engine), you dont wanna have an hydrogen bomb exploding here now would you? and also, remember hindenberg(tama ba spelling) yan ang power ng hydrogen...

ang problem sa hydrogen...mahal pa hydrogen technology kasi sa cost of matrerials used tor safely extract and contain hydrogen are expensive talaga...

as i know, water powered cars are most likely of electric vehicles than an ICE ones

[boybi]

katulad ng kaklase kong dean's lister sa DLSU Com Sci. pero 1.0 lang yun lagi sa english subjects namin. galing no!

OT: Alam ko hindi ka qualified maging Dean's Lister kung meron kang 1.0 sa subjects mo.

[moe]

A bit late for a reply pertaining to the "entertaining banter" between mpower and galactus. i don't think mpower meant any disrespect, nor did he intend to ruffle any feathers. i guess he was generalizing and his statements were aimed at no one in particular. (i may be wrong) but galactus, dude, where did that come from? it's not about sentence construction rather it's more of a "reading between the lines" kind of thing. when i first read your post i believed you subscribed to that theory. we should all be responsible with our words, they may be misinterpreted and when they are, we should give the readers of said message the benefit of a doubt. what you did was totally unacceptable, to me at least. and broadcasting your IQ and the good schools you went to??? I'd say someone's over compensating. Sorry mods, my feathers just got ruffled.

BTT - no true inventor wouldn't want to have his invention displayed on an international stage. Why he refuses to comply to such requests is beyond me.

And yeah, about the grammar thing. it's a good sign that there are grammar police in this forum. we should all be happy about that. and thankful.

sorry again, i am way off topic.

[BlueBimmer]

OT: Alam ko hindi ka qualified maging Dean's Lister kung meron kang 1.0 sa subjects mo.

onga naman meron bang dean's lister na may isang subject na super baba? alam ko may minimum na score dapat. huli ka!!

[n2knee]

OT: With good reason.

You would be surprised at how many native English speakers, such as Americans, are careless with their spelling and grammatical construction. Same thing with us Filipinos; hindi lahat ng Pilipino ay marunong ng tamang paggamit ng ating sariling wika.

Galactus and ///MPower, konting lamig lang po ng ulo.

alam ko po iyan, pero napansin ko lang po sa ating mga pilipino na "very harsh" kung mag criticize tayo sa isang kapwa natin na nagkamali. hindi na constructive iyon. dapat gaanan natin ang pag criticize sa kapwa natin sa kanilang errors para hindi sila matakot na muling magkamali.

[alwayz_yummy]

most schools/colleges, diba 1.0 is the highest, sa ateneo alam ko baligtad, 5.0 ang highest....

[oldblue]

OT: Alam ko hindi ka qualified maging Dean's Lister kung meron kang 1.0 sa subjects mo.

oo nga pala. nasa isip ko pag 3.0+ average per trimester, automatic dean's lister. in the case of my classmate, he still got an average of above 3.0 even if he got a 1.0 on English. just imagine the rest of his grades 4.0 and 3.5 combo nakuha niya.

and we were so awed by his accomplishments, that's why I considered him a dean's lister. and he's Fil Chinese.

now he is the richest among us.


during college, pi-nage pa nya kami noon nasiraan sya with his old 80's car. he said "guys, i'll be late. The wrecker wrecked my car" meaning ti-no-tow na daw ng wrecker yun car nya

[oldblue]

teka 0.0 ang failing mark namin ah. 1.0 is passing. pag mayroon ka noon 0.0 lang hindi qualified sa dean's list, kahit nagolekta ka ng 4.0

[GerardTagayty]

lumamig din... hehehe!!!

[Alpha_One]

Right. People who claim that they have a water powered car generally say that they extract hydrogen from water and then use the hydrogen as a fuel. Except, when you burn hydrogen, you get water. So if you start with water and end with water, and you STILL get enough energy out of that to move a car, you'll find that you've just defied the first law of thermodynamics.

How does Dingel's car work exactly (well in principle, not with a petrol engine on normal unleaded petrol )? Whenever I hear of a "water powered car" there's usually some sort of a twist like a 9V "drugstore checkout counter" battery for electrolysis or something or other. Of course, that assumes a 9V battery has enough energy to propel a two-ton block of metal and plastic fast enough, far enough to be anything significant. And if you think about it, how could the battery have enough energy to separate the H's from the O's in the first place?

Actually, I've had a few tries at it myself, car on 9V, but without electrolysis, it's too complicated for the car I'm working with. Current problems are the ones I described above, i.e. reduced speed and range. It works though.

For those skeptics among you, I'm not hiding anything. In fact, I think the principle is long proven and the experiments completely repeatable on any ordinary household. A certain car brand works best! I've been most successful with TAMIYA cars, just to give you an idea where to start... I hope we're successful with this!

[///MPower]

Generally they claim it is as follows:

Step 1: Battery powers electrolysis, extracting hydrogen from water.
Step 2: Hydrogen is used to power internal combustion engine.
Step 3: Excess energy from engine charges battery, which in turn powers more hydrolysis.

It's easy to see why people think this is feasible. The only problem is that burning hydrogen gives you pure water, which is exactly what you start out with. Water is never actually "consumed," only "converted." In fact you actually use more energy performing hydrolysis to get hydrogen than you get by burning hydrogen. If you start with water and end with water and still power a car, you have ended up with more energy than you started off with.

[Alpha_One]

That's what's been bothering me with these things really... where the bloody hell does the "excess energy" come from?

So it's batteries->electricity->hydrolysis->hydrogen->combustion->motion+ELECTRICITY?!!!->(back to start)

Energy can neither be destroyed nor created, right?! I like the perpetual motion machine analogy, because really, that's what it is. Just added some incomprehensible steps in between (for the laymen who aren't paying attention, at least).

Besides, assuming that the hydrolysis process is 100% efficient, wouldn't a cycle that went like this would make a lot more sense (because it's simpler):

batteries->electricity->motors->motion

I actually know a few people who believe in this bull****. Of course, to them it's the "lack of government support Western vested interests blah blah" again (just like Khaos, heheh). They say they persecuted Galileo... I mean, for every Copernicus or Galileo, how many quacks and scam artists were there?

[lolo pepe]

What tsikot can do as part of its advocacy, we can try to contact mr dingel, test his invention and once and for all lets all see kung talagang tutuo ang claim nya...

who's up for this challenge?

+ 1 on this.

to settle once and for all the issue whether this invention is a hoax or not, maybe it's time that our tsikot gurus rise up to the challenge.

[jedi]

If someone can give me the contact numbers of mr dingel, i will personally call him, ask for an interview and documented testing... ask tsikot gurus to join with me... then once and for all magkaalaman na talaga.

If what dingel is claiming is true.... then tsikot will be very supportive and this site might be able to help him ... but if it's the other way around// wala tayong magagawa but to inform the general public the truth.

but WHAT IF.. its true? paano nga ba kung tutuo ito...

malaking bagay ito para sa bansa... kung di man tutuo... wala naman sigurong mawawala satin pero kahit papano... nasagot ang mga tanong natin.

ok... kindly pm me kung sino may info about mr dingel, nagsearcha ko sa net wala ako makita

[docgorio]

Federico Pascual, the columnist of the Phil Star and my brother challenged him to a closed circuit testing of his invention to prove to all and sundry that it works. Mr. Pascual even offered to invite the PNCC to close part of the South Expressway to be used at the test track and the tri-media to document everything to make sure that there's no hanky-panky going on... Helicopters were offered to be used as monitoring stations while he's on the move along the test circuit...

He refused...

[niky]

Isn't Dingle dead? I'm not sure, but I think he's passed on... if he hasn't he'd be seventy plus by now.

Water power may sound great, but there's a problem... and it's very simple. The fundamental problem is this: Water is very stable.

The abundance of water in nature is testament to this chemical stability.

It takes a lot of energy to "crack" water into its component molecules. Like the aforementioned Mythbusters episode showed... it takes more than you can get out of a regular car battery.