"Filipino Iventor Selling Fuel That Is 50% Water"

[dprox]

Originally Posted by badsekktor
di ba yun kay dingle eh binili na yun intellectual property rights? kaya nga meron mga hydrogen powered engines na naglalabasan ngayon di ba???

do you have the documentation to support that claim?

are you serious about this?

Here's the guy who proves Daniel Dingle's claims made over 30 years ago were not a hoax. Never mind if they might not even have known each other. The issues here are the validity of the technology and the credibility of Filipinos as pioneering inventors.

Watch this news item ~
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60"]Water powered engine[/ame]

Kanô na ito, Fox News pa. Ano kaya? Maniniwala ba tayo?

Maybe we should give Filipino inventors the benefit of the doubt.
Sana itigil muna natin ang talangkaan, mga dudes and dudas.

AFAIK, Dingle was offered a hefty price by German venture capitalists,
but he declined because he wanted the benefits to go to Filipinos.
I just dunno what happened next. Maybe you do.
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[b1rken5tock]

"A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml

if this is true, then it could be possible that the law of thermodynamics can be broken also...

sana nga we can get energy from water , aside from using it to turn turbines to generate electricity.. and this will possibly stop the war in the middle east due to oil/petroleum.

[ghosthunter]

I wonder where is this "50% water" fuel today?

[webmiester]

I wonder where is this "50% water" fuel today?

I dont know. Its possible that Thailand and/or US invited him to migrate to their place tax-free. Dito kasi, the government doesnt give any tax exemptiong for such inventions.

In europe, "White Diesel" has come around. Its a combination of 80% diesel and 13% water with the rest containing additives. It might be a by product of this invention.

Water has long been known to improve the combustion of diesel, but doesnt mix well.

Im also curious about the Pinoy guy who invented a pump to pump in water into the diesel chamber. The device will make the car run on 50%water and 50% diesel as well. The AFP supposedly ordered many units... but after I read the article, I havent heard from him ever since...

[dvldoc]

I dont know. Its possible that Thailand and/or US invited him to migrate to their place tax-free. Dito kasi, the government doesnt give any tax exemptiong for such inventions.

In europe, "White Diesel" has come around. Its a combination of 80% diesel and 13% water with the rest containing additives. It might be a by product of this invention.

Water has long been known to improve the combustion of diesel, but doesnt mix well.

Im also curious about the Pinoy guy who invented a pump to pump in water into the diesel chamber. The device will make the car run on 50%water and 50% diesel as well. The AFP supposedly ordered many units... but after I read the article, I havent heard from him ever since..

That's because it's pure garbage, Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel. Water injection on diesel is such a simple thing and proven to work. But you cannot pump in 50% water on a diesel engine. It would be like me installing a 14gph nozzle on a 2.5 liter turbo diesel. It would drown the motor and cause it to bogg down severely. Internal combustion simply does not work that way. Everything has to be done in proportion to work correctly. And I think I know a little about the subject of water and internal combustion engines.

[nameless411]

yes! agreed!

people should just stop inventing these impossibilities

just like those two brothers from kittyhawk who defied all nay sayers and said that powered flight was possible

or just like that strange man who said voice can be transmitted wirelessly through air

or just like that man who came up with a horseless carriage

or that weirdo the church chased after he said that the earth was not the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around the sun (preposterous)

or that high school dropout with the strange hair style and unkempt mustache who said that energy and mass are related.

thing is i have a heart for these inventors, at least they dont sit on their buns complaining about this and that. they do something about it. they think outside the proverbial box.

[dvldoc]

Pardon me sir, But I'm talking about science not coming up with some slick techno babble that has nothing to do with that. If you want me to break down the chemistry of the internal combustion engine and how it works I would be happy to. Water injection in the internal combustion engine is a proven science that has it's limits and has been tested in every way shape and form over the last 60 years. I can say I have more experience and knowledge of the subject than anyone on this board.

A diesel engine will never run with 50% of the fuel replaced with water period. It's pretty simple to disprove. Water injection has been around since the 1940's. Just like you would hydrolock a gas engine by pumping to much water injection into it.

There's a big difference between inventing something new or just making a scam product not based on science. Name one fuel saving device sold in the PI that is proven to work. Nuff said. Let's not even go into old Dangles water powered car. He claims that it runs on the hydrogen produced by his little device with not changes to the vehicle. I challenge you to run pure hydrogen through your fuel injected motors throttle body and see what happens. After you rebuild you engine you can come back and tell us all about it. That's not how internal combustion engines work period.

There a reason you don't see these devices out there, It's because they don't work. It is so easy to prove your results its pathetic. People that take years and years to provide and solid real evidence you questions. It's very easy to bring something to market that is functional and works as stated. It's simple to get a dyno done, simple to do a emission test, Simple to get your product indepentently tested and verified.

People who are educated and trained mechanics are not fooled by these devices and scams because we know how fueling and combustion works.

I can guarentee in the US the only people who would fall for these inventions are the same people that waste money on HHO devices. Theres's a reason most forums end up closing the threads it's because no real proof is ever given.

Bottom line if you replaced 50% of your fuel with water you would have to retune the computer to pull out how much fuel it would normally demand at that load which would be extreamly dangerous and you would run so lean that the detonation would be catostrophic if it was able to run it would only be able to do so at idle good luck pulling 50% of your fuel out and try to drive the vehicle.

Second point, in a gas engine your fuel injectors will rust internally as well as inside the fuel filter and other vital componets with that degree of water in the fuel system. There is a reason they sell fuel drying solutions.

I'm all about new inventions but those based on facts not fiction. This invention is nothing more than a backwards way to do water/alcohol injection which actually works.

But if you think you can change the laws of physics please go ahead and run it in your vehicle if you can find it.

One sure fire way to find a con man is to read the claims and research them yourself.

[SIZE=2]Inventor of Fuel Products
In 1996, Rudy Lantano Sr., a scientist from the Philippine Department of Science and Technology (DOST), won the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) gold medal for developing Super Bunker Formula-L, a revolutionary fuel half-composed of water. The mix burns faster and emits pollutants, 95 percent less than those released to the air by traditional fuel products. The inventor said his invention is a result of blending new ingredients and additives with ordinary oil products through agitation and mixing, which is a very safe process. The initial plan was to commercially produce two million liters of Alco-Diesel, two million liters of Lan-Gas and an unlimited quantity of Super Bunker Formula-L each day for customers in Luzon.[/SIZE]

One thing I have noticed almost all these product have a source, For one this is not a Filipino invention nor did Mr. Lantano invent it. He stole the claims and made them his own. He did not even bother to pay attention to the real use of the product. IT'S NOT FOR VEHICLES!

Lets just call a a liar a liar this is where the invention actually came from and it's info. And this is not meant for automotive use. Hate to bust you guys bubble but here it is.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...5&DISPLAY=DESC

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wads.js...E=PAMPH&PAGE=1

Here's is the patent application for the product in Australia by the same guy.
http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/o...s7r!1183664493

It's really a shame that people don't go out and find out these simple facts for themselves. Stop getting conned out of your money and take the time to research these phony inventors.

[nameless411]

none so blind as those who refuse to see

though the thread title may say center on fuel that is 50% water, the "spirit" of the discussion is the possibility that there exists a better solution to what is currently being accepted as the norm.

not so long ago, scientists said that it was impossible to build a fusion reactor because you'd have to "re-create" the same conditions as that of the sun to have this fusion reactor. They just built the first prototype in the EU,imagine, the very power that drives our sun, being generated here on our very own planet.

not so long ago, as recent within the first few years of this decade, it was UNTHINKABLE to admit DNA analysis as evidence in court. They said that the human DNA was so complex, so difficult to analyze, and that it would take years to go through each and every sample. These close minded people did not take into account the leaps in computing technology that NOW makes DNA analysis as easy as PIE.

the principles are the same, people who THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX are the innovators that gives us much of what we take for granted now, possible.

it may or may not be water in your fuel, it may be the series hybrid power, or parallel hybrid power that brings more bang for your liter, it may be a new vehicle design, or a whole new propulsion system. what is important is to have an open mind.

[dvldoc]

There is nothing wrong with new inventions and technology but when people claim they have invented things and have one awards for them any your shown proof positive that the claims are false you should take heed to that information. Especially when they are trying to sell it to you to put in one of your most costly possesions your automobile. When people use this to scam others is where there is a problem.

People who think car companies would not be all over new techology and there is a conspiracy when they are suffering record losses and closing down plant need to think again if you don't think they are not spending millions in R&D to make a more fuel effiecient vehicle. But don't put to much hope into unproven fads or pirated information of patents people claim as their own.

It's sad when local papers actually put these guys in stories without doing the research first. My whole point a simple little bit of research on this invention would have shown.

1. Not a invented in the Philippines
2. Not invented by the guy who claims it.
3. Not intended for automotive use but for home and building heating
4. Full out scam and would not only not work as claimed, would cause a
good bit of damage to your fuel system and automobile, diesel or gas.

[nurse_corrupted]

Just give Filipino inventors the benefit of the doubt. Pag Hapon ang gumawa ng water fueled car e maniniwala tayo, pag pinoy hindi.

Don't even try to measure how much power Oil Companies wield. Kung ikaw ang inventor niyan, madali ka lang naman ipapatay dahil industriya nila ang mawawasak.