MAZDA3 or CIVIC

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id go for the civic din sa choice. hindi talaga naghohold yung resale value ng past mazda dito sa pinas.
kahit yung 7th gen civic na hindi ganon kaganda IMO, naghohold pa din dahil sa pangalan and technology ng honda civic.

engine --> 1.6 vs 1.8... no contest na yan.
although mas ok ang seats ng mazda... overall ill still get the civic.
looks futuristic

[baludoy]

civic for me too

[ridihil]

mazda 3 or civic?...for lower engine displacement civic wins hands down but for 2.0L engine ibang usapan na...the 2008 model has revise valve timing so power and fc consumption is almost the same on this but with the moonrof,headlamp HID levelizer,sportier look,price tag... mazda all the way....

i don't own any of the cars ah? pero the civic 2.0 has a lot of horses more than mazda 3's 2.0 engine... sa price tag naman, the 2.0 civic might cost more than the 3 but you get your money's worth naman kung performance lang ang pag-uusapan...

sa tingin mo yng civic fd ganun ka ganda. di ka nagtataka kung bkit biglang sumikat ang mzdA 3? alam mo ba ang civic fd ay medyo mahirap i set up compared sa older civics. or kung gusto mo i hataw mo ung civic mo sa curve tapos try mo gawin mo sa mzda3 yung same manuever

after reading the posts, nakakatawa lang ang mga comments ng mga die hard civic fanatics. i was a civic user before, now a proud mazda 3 user. parang nasa defense mode ang mga civic owners. so afraid na napag cocompetensyahan ang mga beloved civics nila.

napaka common na kasi ng civics at saka, napakalaki na ng mga bagong civics ngayon. kumbaga, mid-sized sedan na siya. love ko civic noon dahil sa compact pa siya. ang altis (corolla) din ngayon ang laki na rin. ang mazda 3 naman ay compact sedan pa rin. ewan ko sa inyo ha, pero iba talaga ang ride kapag compact sedan ang gamit ninyo, while others went oversizing the mazda 3 kept the spirit of sports driving, civic? di na siya tulad ng mga sir, hatchback, etc. thus sacrificing the sporty feeling. that is also one of the reasons na mga old civic fans na mahilig mag mods, ay lumipat na ng brand OR kept their old gen civics. yung civic ngayonm kasing laki na ng old accords.

pareho lang madami fan boy dito. kung yung mga civic owners might be defensive, pero ganun din naman yung ibang mazda boys dito...

both are great cars naman... although they are pitted against each other sa class nila, iba pa din ang target markets nung dalawa so no need to bash either of the cars kung di mo gusto... baka di lang ikaw ang target buyer nung kotse

yun lang... just my 2 cents

peace

[randyrivera]

pareho lang madami fan boy dito. kung yung mga civic owners might be defensive, pero ganun din naman yung ibang mazda boys dito...

both are great cars naman... although they are pitted against each other sa class nila, iba pa din ang target markets nung dalawa so no need to bash either of the cars kung di mo gusto... baka di lang ikaw ang target buyer nung kotse

yun lang... just my 2 cents

peace

excuse me bossing, this is a forum. this is a melting pot of different idealogies and principles. forum nga ito e. i never said na mazda owners are not defensive, ang sinabi ko "natatawa ako" dahil nga defensive ang mga civic owners. they should not be defensive kasi nga, mazda 3 ang underdog. gets? lastly, where in the world ka makakakita ng forum na walang bashing? that's what makes it exciting, because in the process, marami ka ring matutunan. so ano gusto mong forum? yung agree na lang lahat sa lahat ng mga sinasabi ng tao?

just my two cents also.

Peace.

[tidus1203]

Wag na kayo magaway, parang election lang yan some will vote for GMA some will vote for FPJ

But who will win the election? Then let us just look at the sales of both cars para malaman natin

[randyrivera]

oo nga wag na mag away away, ayun nga kay pacquiao, mag kaisa na daw tayo.

last hirit, so if nanalo si GMA, does it mean that she is a better president than FPJ, Roco, Lacson, or Villanueva?

Hmmmm....

[tidus1203]

No she's not necessarily better but more people think she's better thats why more people voted for her (by the way unlike an election wala namang dagdag-bawas sa car sales ) by the same analogy a car sells more cause more people think its better for their own reasons.

[randyrivera]

Correct! To each his own lang talaga yan. Pero let's continue this never ending discussion kasi I learn a lot of things from everyones' opinions.

[niky]

No she's not necessarily better but more people think she's better thats why more people voted for her (by the way unlike an election wala namang dagdag-bawas sa car sales ) by the same analogy a car sells more cause more people think its better for their own reasons.

Ah.... but more people voted for Erap than anyone else... does that mean we should trust people? Because if we go by sales, the Corolla wins... hands down. 30 million buyers can't be wrong... can they? :hysterical:

People buy cars based on a few things... performance, fuel economy, reliability, etcetera... but most of those buyers buy based on just looks, preconceptions and biases. Just as with elections... not everyone reviews all the pertinent facts and data before making up their minds. In fact, some buyers don't even bother to go to the dealership to test-drive the car or see it in person... they just write a check and send it to the dealer.

That's why so many people sell off brand-new Forts secondhand, for example... it's a great rig if you occassionally have to drive out to the farm, but if you're the backseat type looking for a cushy ride, it's just not there... for some buyers, mostly guys who drive themselves, it's acceptable... but if you're a backseat passenger with a driver... well...

Or Expeditions... buyers get enthralled by the size, power and comfort... but they don't do their research and find, to their horror, that they've bought a monster that can drink gasoline like nothing else. I know satisfied Expedition owners. They buy it because it's really cheap luxury and they can afford the maintenance and fuel... but others, who don't know what they're getting into, just complain and complain and complain... hell... if you can't afford to own it, how were you able to buy it in the first place?

So, no... I don't trust sales. They'll tell me if a vehicle is popular, but not why it's popular.

There are some things which the Civic does better... the engine and transmission are the best on the market... but there are things the Mazda3 does better (suspension, seats)... it's up to the buyers to decide which they want. ;)

[tidus1203]

If you read my comments carefully I never say that a top selling car is a GOOD car. But its a reflection of what people THINK is a good car.... The perception and the fact is not always the same as you pointed out.

[niky]

Ah... okay... pero you said that people buy a car because they think it's better... not always true... sometimes they buy lots of a particular car because it's cheaper...

[overboost]

nice one niky!

[HyBrideVo]

Here's a recent comparo by Motor Trend





08 Mazda3 vs. 08 Civic vs. 08 Impreza vs. 08 Corolla

it may not be for the PHDM but it'll help you guys see the picture and guess who won?

[Jun aka Pekto]

Here's a recent comparo by Motor Trend





08 Mazda3 vs. 08 Civic vs. 08 Impreza vs. 08 Corolla

it may not be for the PHDM but it'll help you guys see the picture and guess who won?

That comparo also answers the Impreza vs Civic thread elsewhere in this forum.

[tidus1203]

Unfortunately their (US) Mazda 3 used in that test was the 2.3L Grand Touring and we don't have that in the local market. So I still stand on my belief that the Honda Civic is a better choice overall than the Mazda 3 in the local market. And they should have used the Si version of the Civic ginamit nila sa test yung 1.8L talo talaga yan....

[HyBrideVo]

Unfortunately their (US) Mazda 3 used in that test was the 2.3L Grand Touring and we don't have that in the local market. So I still stand on my belief that the Honda Civic is a better choice overall than the Mazda 3 in the local market. And they should have used the Si version of the Civic ginamit nila sa test yung 1.8L talo talaga yan....

Comparo's are comparos and that is for the USDM/North American market. I posted it just to give readers some heads up on what's happening outside the PHDM market. Well unfortunately and i assume you already know that the Civic SI doesn't have an Automatic Transmission and the cars tested on that comparo all have AT's. If they would have used a Civic SI in the first place wouldn't they have gotten the Mazdaspeed3 also to compare?

I'll take the Mazda 3 in 2.0L or 2.3L anytime, anywhere. no doubt.

[niky]

The only advantage of the Grand Touring is the engine. Otherwise, the same should hold true for the local 2.0R.

Some observations on how this will compare to local cars:

Honda Civic: the suspension issue they've noted is something I've talked about, but which few other local testers actually acknowledge... the rear end is total crap for performance driving. The Si version gets around this with a stiffer suspension, but I don't know how well it works firsthand..

Toyota Corolla: this test tells us very little about the local car. This is a Corolla on a sports suspension. But in part, this exposes the flaw in Toyota's suspension design philosophy... an over-reliance on hard springs, without properly matching shocks or anti-roll bars. I've noted this in the old Corolla... and the new one looks to be the same, but probably tuned five clicks softer than this American car.

Subaru Impreza: should largely be the same. Smaller engine on the local 2.0R will make it slower still, but suspension and handling should be similar... with better braking due to the lighter engine.

Mazda3: Impressions match mine... but the local 1.6 is tuned softer and feels less sporty (though the handling still handily trumps the Civic). Whether the updated 2.0R still drives like a champ remains to be seen, but from all indications, it's still good.

[safeorigin]

i like mazda's better. they have a more stable feel even on oversteers.

[randyrivera]

hahaha, ano ba yan. engine lang naman ang pinagkaiba. pero overall naman ang tinest nila na sakto lang dito sa atin sa pinas. saka motor trend na ang nag test niya ha. i'm a reader of the local C! magazine too. i also read in their editorial once mentioning the Mazda3 as one of the last "true compact sedan" in the local market. pero don't fret, the civic still holds best for gasoline mileage. but then again, if the engine is better but the transmission is mediocre, then better pa rin yung Mazda. Or if you have a good engine then masama ang Power to weight ratio, ganun din. anyway, basta motor trend chose the mazda. we can discuss which is better on this department or that, ang important ay yung overall decision ng Motor Trend, which they also mentioned, "" Not only did it win this test, but it did so with flying colors." and also, ""Nothing else in this field feels so lively and well-planted-you can feel the racing DNA in the 3's bones."

hehe, peace tidus ha, for discussion purposes lang....hehe

Unfortunately their (US) Mazda 3 used in that test was the 2.3L Grand Touring and we don't have that in the local market. So I still stand on my belief that the Honda Civic is a better choice overall than the Mazda 3 in the local market. And they should have used the Si version of the Civic ginamit nila sa test yung 1.8L talo talaga yan....

[jun_mazda]

If you read my comments carefully I never say that a top selling car is a GOOD car. But its a reflection of what people THINK is a good car.... The perception and the fact is not always the same as you pointed out.

para sakin ang tanging rason lang kung bakit hindi ganon kasikat ang mazda 3 ay dahil lang sa brand perception ng pinoy sa mazda. kabaligtaran naman ang honda kaya lang masmadami bumili ng honda civic ay dahil made by HONDA