Innova V vs Innova G AT vs Montero GLS AT vs Fortuner G AT vs Corolla Cross G vs Territory Titanium

[ice15]

basta nasa kundisyon ang sasakyan walang problema.. again good condition ha.. hindi yung basta kaya pa tumakbo...

we still have a 2002 model toyota corolla na road worthy.. good shifting, no engine leaks, new tires at hindi dilapidated or puro mods.. just plain stock car

agree ako syo... pero we all have different definitions of "pwede pa." yung big body ko was sold when it reached 15 years old... in 15 years. twice ako nagpalit ng suspension and shocks. lahat ng kilala ko sabi sayang $$$ ko. pero sabi ko naman, mararamdaman mo yung difference kapag bago yung suspension mo. I think year 12 or 13 yung huling suspension change ko before I decided to sell it (naramdaman kong nagflex yung body nung alanganin inclined parking ko).

hence, a third party inspection (as done in other countries) would be a good barometer to see if a car is still road worthy.

back to topic, if the wifey loves the territory then go for it.. para hindi na hassle mag paliwanag pa kasi hindi mo makukumbinsi yan.. hehe

may good aftersales din naman ang FORD.. mahal nga lang talaga din sumingil.. nung nasira yung speed sensor ng ecosport, halos 10k yata yung bill

we'll see... I told her its my last choice... I feel na magdadalawang isip sya to use the car kapag napansin nyang mas mabilis maubos gas nya kesa sa akin

[yapoy86]

ah yung big body corolla mukhang mahina nga ang chassis nyan.. parang ganun din sa love life eh... yung service vehicles namin na love life may body flex.

pero itong 1st gen altis matigas ang body..

pero kung corolla cross vs territory.. my vote goes to corolla cross..

[dr. d]

ah yung big body corolla mukhang mahina nga ang chassis nyan.. parang ganun din sa love life eh... yung service vehicles namin na love life may body flex.

pero itong 1st gen altis matigas ang body..

pero kung corolla cross vs territory.. my vote goes to corolla cross..

automobile journalists do mention those of weak chassis in their 'glowing reviews',
"... has just the right amount of body flex..."
one has to know how to read between the lines.
heh heh.

i know the 90s sentra has some chassis flex.
don't know about the 90s corolla.
but the 2003 altis has tough chassis, in my opinion.

[thearsenal1205]

ah yung big body corolla mukhang mahina nga ang chassis nyan.. parang ganun din sa love life eh... yung service vehicles namin na love life may body flex.

pero itong 1st gen altis matigas ang body..

pero kung corolla cross vs territory.. my vote goes to corolla cross..

The first gen altis were the same body/chassis as the lovelife corolla. (E110)

The following generation (E120) is the second gen altis with ZZ series engines.

[ice15]

automobile journalists do mention those of weak chassis in their 'glowing reviews',
"... has just the right amount of body flex..."
one has to know how to read between the lines.
heh heh.

i know the 90s sentra has some chassis flex.
don't know about the 90s corolla.
but the 2003 altis has tough chassis, in my opinion.

I gave up on the big body on year 15...

anything will show its age sooner or later. I think 10-15 years is a reasonable time to keep a vehicle.

[Dr.Kamiya]

I think early 2000s was when nearly everyone made huge strides in chassis rigidity. It's also when cars got much safer (at least for the occupants).

On some old Best Motoring videos I think the Evo VII was claimed to be over 100% stiffer than the outgoing Evo VI, a lot which was certainly down to the difference between the new Cedia chassis and the outgoing Pizza Pie Lancer.





Just from crash test videos it's immediately apparent how much better 2000-s era cars are compared to their '90-s counterparts.

[ice15]

I think early 2000s was when nearly everyone made huge strides in chassis rigidity. It's also when cars got much safer (at least for the occupants).

On some old Best Motoring videos I think the Evo VII was claimed to be over 100% stiffer than the outgoing Evo VI, a lot which was certainly down to the difference between the new Cedia chassis and the outgoing Pizza Pie Lancer.





Just from crash test videos it's immediately apparent how much better 2000-s era cars are compared to their '90-s counterparts.

agree, cars now are safer and better made.

pero we can't expect the chassis to be as strong 15-25 years later. kung building nga 50 years lang ang lifespan due to the expected wear sa materials. do we expect our cars na moving to last as long?

On a 20 year (or older car) - without a ladder frame, find a ramp na aangat na approx 8 inch to 12 inch yung isang wheel, then try to open the door.

[dr. d]

I think early 2000s was when nearly everyone made huge strides in chassis rigidity. It's also when cars got much safer (at least for the occupants).

On some old Best Motoring videos I think the Evo VII was claimed to be over 100% stiffer than the outgoing Evo VI, a lot which was certainly down to the difference between the new Cedia chassis and the outgoing Pizza Pie Lancer.
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that was also the time when mitsubishi partnered with daimler-benz.
coincidence?

[ice15]

Update on wife's decision making...

Ford Territory is out - after joining their FB group and seeing current problems + F/C we decided to not even visit a Ford showroom (as my wife said, baka maka-gulo pa)

Xpander GLS/Cross is still there in the mix (thanks to its very low price, compared to the other choices). But I told her we have to wait until the new version comes out.

I think the final 2 choices...

Corolla Cross - hybrid. wife loves the looks and the idea that its a hybrid. all her friends (overseas) drive one. road clearance and cargo space is a big letdown.

Innova E (+ reverse camera and sensor, 15K additional from Toyota) - wife loves the fact that the Innova is as tall as her. plus the space. (after seeing the other Innova variants, we feel that the E (+ reverse camera and sensor) is a better deal compared to the G and V.

[jut703]

Innova is the most practical car you can buy. If you don’t mind the zero s3x appeal, go for it.


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[carxynogen]

Update on wife's decision making...

Ford Territory is out - after joining their FB group and seeing current problems + F/C we decided to not even visit a Ford showroom (as my wife said, baka maka-gulo pa)

Xpander GLS/Cross is still there in the mix (thanks to its very low price, compared to the other choices). But I told her we have to wait until the new version comes out.

I think the final 2 choices...

Corolla Cross - hybrid. wife loves the looks and the idea that its a hybrid. all her friends (overseas) drive one. road clearance and cargo space is a big letdown.

Innova E (+ reverse camera and sensor, 15K additional from Toyota) - wife loves the fact that the Innova is as tall as her. plus the space. (after seeing the other Innova variants, we feel that the E (+ reverse camera and sensor) is a better deal compared to the G and V.

If kaya pa ng budget, mas OK cgro if you go for G nalang boss.
I feel NVH might be better and will still be in the long run than E variant.
Parang mas solid kasi built ng G variant compare kay E interior wise.

[ice15]

^last resistance is coming from my daughter.

I gave them a nice long speech that this may be our last chance to drive a diesel. hahaha

definitely passenger diesels are on the way out and I can feel that the next (not this generation) Innova/Fortuner will be the last diesel cars we can enjoy.

[ice15]

If kaya pa ng budget, mas OK cgro if you go for G nalang boss.
I feel NVH might be better and will still be in the long run than E variant.
Parang mas solid kasi built ng G variant compare kay E interior wise.

we checked the E, G and V... no way we're buying the Innova G over the Corolla Cross.

If a hybrid and a diesel car has the same price. I can't defend going diesel.

[dr. d]

Innova E (+ reverse camera and sensor, 15K additional from Toyota) - wife loves the fact that the Innova is as tall as her. plus the space. (after seeing the other Innova variants, we feel that the E (+ reverse camera and sensor) is a better deal compared to the G and V.

for me,
the significant advantage of the G over the E,
is the power adjust side mirrors.

[dr. d]

we checked the E, G and V... no way we're buying the Innova G over the Corolla Cross.

If a hybrid and a diesel car has the same price. I can't defend going diesel.

how long-term reliable are today's hybrid cars?
i ask, because i know not.

[ice15]

how long-term reliable are today's hybrid cars?
i ask, because i know not.

also no idea (locally at least) - I also asked their manager at Toyota if he expects us to bring the Corolla Cross for service for the next 10 years (he just smiled and told me first 3 years free labor)

but our friends in the US/Europe and Singapore are happy with their hybrids with no issues in 10 years of ownership.

[dr. d]

also no idea (locally at least) - I also asked their manager at Toyota if he expects us to bring the Corolla Cross for service for the next 10 years (he just smiled and told me first 3 years free labor)

but our friends in the US/Europe and Singapore are happy with their hybrids with no issues in 10 years of ownership.

i do remember the toyota batteries warrantied for 10 years...
but the rest of the car...?

ilang 18650 ba meron siya?

[ice15]

i do remember the toyota batteries warrantied for 10 years...
but the rest of the car...?

ilang 18650 ba meron siya?

From Toyota PH:

Did you know that for added piece-of-mind, Toyota provides a 5-year warranty on the hybrid battery alongside the standard 3-year warranty on the vehicle itself? But don’t think that after 5 years you’re going to need to replace the battery, as Toyota’s Hybrid batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the car with proper care and maintenance.

[17Sphynx17]

i do remember the toyota batteries warrantied for 10 years...
but the rest of the car...?

ilang 18650 ba meron siya?

Toyota PH doesn't give us the same Hybrid Powertrain Warranty like Australia or US/EU/UK. So we get shortchanged on that department.

Am not enticed by pricing of Toyota PH Hybrid (Corolla Cross or Altis).

But I would also say the same for Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi Outlander EV being sold here. Priced too high if they want to start adoption.

[Vodka]

Toyota’s Hybrid batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the car with proper care and maintenance.

that's BS the packs are black boxes you can't do maintenance on them

hybrids don't chill their batteries w/ the a/c so the PH's heat will degrade them faster. i'd stay away from hybrids