Forester 2.5xt or Tucson premium crdi

[renzo_d10]

Of course the Innova J will have more problems than what your FXT has or will have. Why ? It's being used by lots of people, not only you I presume.

Sige, lets say you take care of the vehicle and treat it like it's yours ... ganun ba ang iba ?

SOME tend to just drive it into deep holes even without slowing down or tend to pass onto high humps without even stepping on the brakes. Obviously rattles and problems will appear.

And yeah, those said rattles and problems that might appear in ANY vehicle can be avoided. How ? Take care of it, follow it's proper maintenance and don't run through deep holes, if you can avoid it then do it.

And actually owning the fastest vehicle in it's class doesn't really matter. Look, there still lots of crosswind buyers out there, even though it's expensive and slow they don't care since it still really matters on the their preference and wants.

And with the problems said that could be popping up any time soon, don't be afraid nor be troubled since the appearance or disappearance of these said problems will still lie on your own hands.

[foresterx]

Of course the Innova J will have more problems than what your FXT has or will have. Why ? It's being used by lots of people, not only you I presume.

Sige, lets say you take care of the vehicle and treat it like it's yours ... ganun ba ang iba ?

SOME tend to just drive it into deep holes even without slowing down or tend to pass onto high humps without even stepping on the brakes. Obviously rattles and problems will appear.

And yeah, those said rattles and problems that might appear in ANY vehicle can be avoided. How ? Take care of it, follow it's proper maintenance and don't run through deep holes, if you can avoid it then do it.

And actually owning the fastest vehicle in it's class doesn't really matter. Look, there still lots of crosswind buyers out there, even though it's expensive and slow they don't care since it still really matters on the their preference and wants.

And with the problems said that could be popping up any time soon, don't be afraid nor be troubled since the appearance or disappearance of these said problems will still lie on your own hands.

innova j driver ko lang ang nag drive, and he really is a careful guy when it comes to cars. he has been my driver ever since i was in h.s. so i'm sure he's taking care of the car properly. hilux naman ako naman ang nag drive non and both innova j and hilux was brand new when our company issued it to me, yung revo brand new din binili pero may ibang gumagamit besides me. i can tell the revo isn't taken care of properly. pero innova j and hilux are properly maintained.

i'm not saying na sobrang nakakainis ang interior rattle ng hilux, innova, or revo. i'm just saying when you compare the interior rattle of the forester to the hilux, innova or revo, obviously mas tahimik ang forester.

[pup2]

Of course the forester will be faster

I just mentioned that the crdi tucson does have far larger torque rating as opposed to the petrol figures that you posted. And accessible torque.

Thing is, once both cars are fully packed and loaded, the diesel tucson will have it better than the forester, as it will pull like a V8 truck without having to rev hard. Practicality in its essence.

*pup2: so pano pa kaming drivers with non-crdi, non-turbocharged, non-direct injection diesels sa overtaking? hahaha. grabe talaga.

Whoa, non-CRDI, non-Turbo, non-EFI Diesel? Less than 100 hp yun ah. Dati may car akong ganyan. My only major crash 20+ years ago due to impatience. At MT pa siya ha!

Axually, I did some research and the stated torque of the 2010 Tuc is 25 kg-m per the HARI spec sheet * 1800-2500 RPM. It goes from 0-100 in 14.3 secs.

For the information of all, the Forester's torque is at 320 Nm at 2800 RPM, which it can reach very, very fast due to the high HP. It goes from 0-100 in 7 seconds.

14.3 seconds is a looong time when passing a bus going at 100 kph. Simple conversion to Nm will reveal that the Tuc's torque is at 245 Nm at 1800-2500 RPM. Panalo siya sa NA car but not the high-compression Turbo Forester (I think that's why the FXT's pistons are FORGED).

This rings true because all the Subaru Turbos are actually capable of towing a 40-foot container van (go ahead, search youtube).

Despite all the handicaps though, practicality means that in a straight race to Pagudpod or Baguio, the Tucson would probably win. Because it will just need to get fuel ONCE. Whereas the Subarus would need to stop at least 3 times (maliit ang gas tank niya, pihikan pa sa type ng gas 95 Octane & up lang).

Then again, my bladder is not that strong, I LIKE going to gas stations, and I'd rather get there unstressed by all those PITA buses, trucks, and public utility vehicles. But Subarus are not for everyone. Not only do you really have to be able to afford it, you have to be a good enough driver not to kill someone including yourself.

Plus kung brownout, forget about it ...

[scharnhorst]

Axually, I did some research and the stated torque of the 2010 Tuc is 25 kg-m per the HARI spec sheet * 1800-2500 RPM. It goes from 0-100 in 14.3 secs.

And yet the old girl can go up 45 degree inclines fully loaded with no problems... patience and safety first nalang pag overtaking.

that spec is probably for the petrol. the 2.0 R diesel produces 392 Nm of torque.

regarding the towing... well, the tucson can pull that same van, and at a lower RPM to boot. A diesel touareg with the diesel v10 (rated at 750 Nm of torque - a little less than double than the R on the tucson) pulled a 747.

anyway I'd like to put this matter to rest, since the diesel vs. petrol is like comparing apples to oranges. It's up to the buyer if he/she would like to have an excellent petrol car or an excellent diesel car.

[Starex_Gold]

basta masaya mag overtake sa Tucson

half throttle + manual mode + e-VGT kick + 3000 RPM = :diablo:

[foresterx]

basta masaya mag overtake sa Tucson

half throttle + manual mode + e-VGT kick + 3000 RPM = :diablo:

both cars naman bro starex saya mag overtake.

forester + 3k rpm + turbo boost =

talagang ibabaon ka sa upuan mo once the turbo starts boosting, it's hard to resist going full throttle, kaya siguro dami nag sasabi lakas sa gas ng XT kasi hirap sila mag drive normal kasi gusto nila lagi ma feel ang boost.

[saipeme]

Whoa, non-CRDI, non-Turbo, non-EFI Diesel? Less than 100 hp yun ah. Dati may car akong ganyan. My only major crash 20+ years ago due to impatience. At MT pa siya ha!

Axually, I did some research and the stated torque of the 2010 Tuc is 25 kg-m per the HARI spec sheet * 1800-2500 RPM. It goes from 0-100 in 14.3 secs.


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mali yata...the other forum reviews it just over 10 seconds for the gas variants...crdi will be faster base from hp and torque rating could be in the range of 8+ secs.

[yuichi]

^^ If you get the chance, try driving a modern diesel car, you'll understand what me, SG, and the other dieselers mean to say about "usable torque"

there's a reason why buses, trailers, trains, and even ships are powered by diesel engines.

and wala namang nakikipagtalo sayo dito, we all have our opinions. we're all just chipping in to the discussion regarding our personal experiences regarding petrol and diesel engines.

is 07 Sta Fe with 2.2 ltr CRDI with VGT, considered modern diesel car? yes it is quick and torquey, lots of low-end punchy torque, very true for all modern diesel engines, sana nga lang medyo humabahaba pa yung revs para di nabibitin minsan since diesel kasi. Lalo sigurado yang new Tucson CRDI.

But never compare a boosted modern CRDI engine to a boosted modern petrol engine

btw same lang daw Torque rating 320 nm both ang FXT at Tuc CRDI.
http://www.hyundai.co.uk/newCars/ix35/technical/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/11181/20...pecifications/

Bro Pup2 balita?

[scharnhorst]

But never compare a boosted modern CRDI engine to a boosted modern petrol engine

btw same lang daw Torque rating 320 nm both ang FXT at Tuc CRDI.
http://www.hyundai.co.uk/newCars/ix35/technical/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/11181/20...pecifications/

As I said. diesels and petrol engines are like apples and oranges. Forced induction man o N/A.

Interestingly enough, the diesel-powered Audi R10s dominated the Le Mans for two years in a row, and the diesel Audi R15 *almost* won the 2009 Le Mans. (Their main competitors were Peugeot... who also used diesels in their 908 race car).

BUT. The trend nowadays is the development of forced induction, direct injected, high compression ratio petrol engines with torque "plateaus". just like diesels.

examples include BMW's N54 and Ford's Ecoboost. look up their specs, ang galing talaga

Hyundai Motor Company has released details of its brand new R-Engine Diesel powerplant on the occasion of the 8th Advanced Diesel Engine Technology Symposium held at the company's Namyang R&D Centre. With a power output of 135 kW and 392 Nm of torque, the 2.0 litre version of the R-Engine outperforms any competitive offering (147 kW and 436 Nm are delivered by the 2.2 litre version). The R-Engine will enter production next year and will see its first application on the 2010 Tucson and Sonata models.

so they put a detuned R-diesel on the tucson ix?

I saw a crdi tucson yesterday. Very quiet diesel compared to the D-4D and the D-ID

[pup2]

mali yata...the other forum reviews it just over 10 seconds for the gas variants...crdi will be faster base from hp and torque rating could be in the range of 8+ secs.

Torque refers to PULLING power ... meaning it can pull a heavier load. It also means you can 'feel' a stronger tug.

It does NOT mean it's a faster sprinter. Generally, that's still in the province of HP.

Luma na pala yung CRDi specs na natignan ko ... pero tama pa din ang conclusion ... 10.4 secs for the gas and 10.8 for the Diesel. Unless paakyat o may hilang mabigat. Both will slow down but the gas will slow down more.

Either way, its meangless for the XT kasi pareho ang torque. So the 100 horsepower difference will still be there.

Tama si Yuichi at Scharnhorst. BTW, Yuichi also has both a modern turbo gas and a modern turbo diesel. At tama sila ni Scharnhorst. Magkaiba talaga yan. Practicality v performance.

Ideally dapat meron ka 1 of each, CRDi Turbo Diesel for city drive & brownout, high compression turbo gas for longer drives.

hehehe. Sup bro!

*Scharn -- kaw naman pumunta ka pa sa Ford at BMW eh yung high compression at forged piston ng Suba at Mitsu panahon pa ng 'hapon.' hehehe.

BTW, now that the 265 hp LGT is out, kelan kaya mababa bump up ang FXT hp to 265? Babalik kaya siya sa 6.1 secs 0-100 o papantay lang sa 6.5 ng LGT? Abangan ang susunod na kabanata ...

[scharnhorst]

Ideally dapat meron ka 1 of each, CRDi Turbo Diesel for city drive & brownout, high compression turbo gas for longer drives.

hehehe. Sup bro!

*Scharn -- kaw naman pumunta ka pa sa Ford at BMW eh yung high compression at forged piston ng Suba at Mitsu panahon pa ng 'hapon.' hehehe.

all I'm saying is, diesels really have come a very long way from the clankers of the past. To the point that it was *almost* used in the R8. (and was actually used for an obscure supercar called the iceni)

and regarding longer drives... as SG's pointed out, the tucson can purr along at a tad bit just above 1k rpm (which will do wonders with fuel economy). and that overtaking with the tucson isn't as difficult as percieved.

For me, for a long drives, what really matters is the comfort (I've yet to find a car that doesn't make my butt numb after a couple of hours of just sitting). Malas nalang pag may "land train" c/o a slow moving car. And that aforementioned old diesel taught me a good lesson in patience when it comes to overtaking.

hmmm. if I remember correctly, another thing that was added to the N54 and ecoboost was a CRDi system. Furthermore, to eliminate the turbo lag, the N54 had twinturbos, while the ecoboost used a VGT system (the N55, successor to the N54, has a VGT system too). A sort of marriage between diesel and gasoline technologies.

another thing: pag brownout... just make sure very well ventilated yung garahe. or better yet, open air. hehe.

[pup2]

O/T but Legacy GT Turbo LGT is 5.5 sec 0-100.

Parang sa C Mag sabi 6.5 eh. Not sure though. Sabagay madami naman factors yun, even weather! Naku, lalong di puwede sa tatay ko yun. Bibili ko pa naman sana siya.

Anyhoo, surely malaki ang ginanda ng CRDi compared to before. If you look at absolute figures though, sa torque at exhaust ang pinakamalaking improvement. Sa HP malaki na din pero more on % terms.

Personally, sa HP palagay ko mas malaki pa ang gain from the VGT rather than the CRDi -- not scientific though. Kailangan kasi mag compare ng non-Turbo CRDi at VGT na non-CRDi for that (saan kaya meron nun)?

Pero for high-comp Turbo gas cars, iba talaga pang out of town, balikan Vigan yakang yaka with no body pains or even mental stress.

I read pa nga somewhere na ito ang future ng compacts at sub compacts. Lower displacement, high comp turbos para matipid pag walang boost pero pag nag boost, taas HP at torque.

As you can see, either way, turbo is the way to go!



BTW, ano na nangyari sa test drive/ride ng TS? kaasar naman ang dalang ng feedback after the threads oh.

[kupz99]

oo nga baka nalito na at iba na ang kinuha.. base sa gamit ng XT ko, maguilty ka lang sa FC nya kung na-idle ka sa heavy traffic kasi premium gas yung sinusunog mo pero kung mild traffic lang hindi naman sya ganun katakaw considering the power that it can pull. pansin ko nga masmatipid ako kung mejo hataw than alalay sa tapak ng gas. mabilis bumaba yung FC reading sa dash kung hataw (not more than 3500 rpm ha) regarding sa ride comfort naman, para sakin mas ok sya than honda, mazda and mitsu (yun yung natest drive ko dati) di ko sure ang tucson kaya di ko macompare (though na test ko ang 08 SF ok ang ride mas malambot pa kesa sa accord). My average FC naglalaro sa 6.5 to 7.5 mix city and highway (but mostly city driving). OK na for its performance. Our 05 accord is also consuming about 7 km/l. Ang difference lang is ang price ng XCS at Blaze na kinakarga ko dun sa 2. Siguro yun talaga ang big difference nung 2, diesel vs premium gas..

[kupz99]

oo nga baka nalito na at iba na ang kinuha.. base sa gamit ng XT ko, maguilty ka lang sa FC nya kung na-idle ka sa heavy traffic kasi premium gas yung sinusunog mo pero kung mild traffic lang hindi naman sya ganun katakaw considering the power that it can pull. pansin ko nga masmatipid ako kung mejo hataw than alalay sa tapak ng gas. mabilis bumaba yung FC reading sa dash kung hataw (not more than 3500 rpm ha) regarding sa ride comfort naman, para sakin mas ok sya than honda, mazda and mitsu (yun yung natest drive ko dati) di ko sure ang tucson kaya di ko macompare (though na test ko ang 08 SF ok ang ride mas malambot pa kesa sa accord). My average FC naglalaro sa 6.5 to 7.5 mix city and highway (but mostly city driving). OK na for its performance. Our 05 accord is also consuming about 7 km/l. Ang difference lang is ang price ng XCS at Blaze na kinakarga ko dun sa 2. Siguro yun talaga ang big difference nung 2, diesel vs premium gas..

[pup2]

oo nga baka nalito na at iba na ang kinuha.. base sa gamit ng XT ko, maguilty ka lang sa FC nya kung na-idle ka sa heavy traffic kasi premium gas yung sinusunog mo pero kung mild traffic lang hindi naman sya ganun katakaw considering the power that it can pull. pansin ko nga masmatipid ako kung mejo hataw than alalay sa tapak ng gas. mabilis bumaba yung FC reading sa dash kung hataw (not more than 3500 rpm ha) regarding sa ride comfort naman, para sakin mas ok sya than honda, mazda and mitsu (yun yung natest drive ko dati) di ko sure ang tucson kaya di ko macompare (though na test ko ang 08 SF ok ang ride mas malambot pa kesa sa accord). My average FC naglalaro sa 6.5 to 7.5 mix city and highway (but mostly city driving). OK na for its performance. Our 05 accord is also consuming about 7 km/l. Ang difference lang is ang price ng XCS at Blaze na kinakarga ko dun sa 2. Siguro yun talaga ang big difference nung 2, diesel vs premium gas..

Palagay ko baka naka test drive na yun at nakabili na then sibat na. Haay.

Bro, puwede din ang XCS sa FXT mo. 95 Octane din naman yun at 95 din ang minimum ng XT. Just dont expect the same performance or FC.

Pero ang tipid ng CRDi malaki pa din at di lang sa price. Yung TDCi ko kasi kahit hatawin ko mahigit 10 km/lit. I can only reach that in my dreams in the FXT.

This is why CRDi is ideal for endurance races like Le Mans. It's like my FXT and Focus TDCi having a race to Pagudpod without rest stops. Sure my FXT will go ahead -- but it will have to stop for gas so many more times there's no chance for it to win.

But some people prefer to have rest stops in actual driving.

[niky]

Some notes:

The Legacy GT's acceleration might be 5.5 with the manual. I believe the variant we have locally is the automatic, and that's the one rated at 6.5.

Torque is what matters for acceleration. However, the really, really really important number is torque at the wheels. Which means torque multiplied by gearing. Which is why, overall, cars with more horsepower are faster... because more horsepower indicates more torque at higher rpm... which means you can stay in lower gears much longer... which means more wheel torque more of the time (even though a turbodiesel usually has much higher peak acceleration, it can't maintain it as long as a turbo-gasser)... which means much much better acceleration.

[ralphgo3]

guys, sorry wala pa good news, nahihirapan pa magdecide dad ko kasi nagustuhan niya rin tucson pero mas gusto niya talaga xt, sorry nahiya rin ako kasi medyo matagal magdecide

[mrpink]

don't sweat it .. your money .. take all the time that you need ..

naalala ko .. inabutan ata ako ng buwan na pinagisipan kung crv, montero o fortuner ang bibilhin ko .. tapos sabi ni misis alam naman niya na FXT talaga gusto ko kahit least practical ..

so yon .. FXT ..

[eggman]

don't sweat it .. your money .. take all the time that you need ..

naalala ko .. inabutan ata ako ng buwan na pinagisipan kung crv, montero o fortuner ang bibilhin ko .. tapos sabi ni misis alam naman niya na FXT talaga gusto ko kahit least practical ..

so yon .. FXT ..

Ah Forester XT din ang napili nyo!

[Starex_Gold]

guys, sorry wala pa good news, nahihirapan pa magdecide dad ko kasi nagustuhan niya rin tucson pero mas gusto niya talaga xt, sorry nahiya rin ako kasi medyo matagal magdecide

Mas gusto naman pala niya yung FXT eh. Pinatatagal nyo pa. Hindi ko babaguhin yung vote ko for FXT.