Forester 2.5xt or Tucson premium crdi

[foresterx]

but of course, it's all about the torque!

the XT has 224 bhp and 226 lb-ft of torque 0-100kmh 6.7 sec. while the tucson has 176bhp and 168 lb-ft of torque 0-100kmh 8.6 sec. so i'm sure the XT is still faster than the tucson...

[scharnhorst]

the XT has 224 bhp and 226 lb-ft of torque 0-100kmh 6.7 sec. while the tucson has 176bhp and 168 lb-ft of torque 0-100kmh 8.6 sec. so i'm sure the XT is still faster than the tucson...

the 2.0 liter R diesel (which should be in the tucson) produces 392 Nm or 289 lb-ft. of torque...

nevertheless, the older 2.0 diesel already has a 320 Nm / 236 lb-ft. of torque. * 1800~2500 rpm

so anyway you look at it... the tucson out rates the forester in terms of torque.

Gasoline ata yang tinitingnan mong specs.

well the XT will eventually have a higher top speed due to the peak horsepower. but in terms of useable and accessible torque? the CRDi on the Tucson wins

[yuichi]

practicality - Tuc

fun and adrenaline rush - FXT

[yuichi]

not really, forester still has an advantage when it comes to performance. yes just like EQAddict said the XT and the tucson might be just as fast as each other going in a straight line, but the forester's performance obviously doesn't focus alone in 0-100kph or 1/4 mile time, bring both on the twisties see who'll win. it doesn't mean because you can't have fun on the 4speed of the XT others also won't, it will depend on how you use it. also the off road capabilities of the XT is far better than the tucson, both are AWD yes, but are they the same? no. subaru's AWD is one of the best AWD system known, only audi can compare with it when it comes to it's AWD system. also most people who buys a subaru mod their car, and with the XT just put a turbo back exhaust, drop-in filter and a tune it will give even the STi a hard time. that's another advantage of the XT, it's engine potential when you mod it, the hp you can reach with just a couple of bolt-on parts are amazing. but others really don't care about that since they won't be modding their car.

i'm not saying that the forester is better or the tucson is better, both cars are different in their own ways. both have their disadvantages and advantages, it just depends on how you'll use a car and where.

like i said if you're planning to keep the car stock and looking for a practical car then get the tucson, if you wan't a fun car that you can do so much to it then get the XT.

to me XT=performance, safety and tucson=practicality, looks

best of both worlds yan- Tuc is very comfy, tipid and is fast as well. i think one full tank is all you needed from Balintawak-Baguio-Balintawak, maybe even lesser. This is based from my experience with my 07 SF.

yes, modded FXT runs 95% that of an stock STI in terms of performance, specially in turns. Torque of the Tuc is higher but is peaky and short, you know what i mean. It's a diesel so dont expect it to reach beyond 4.5k rpm, unlike the FXT with can hit 6.5k-7k rpm- longer powerbond that starts from 2.5k rpm.

Im sure maganda ngiti mo sa alin man s 2.

[roberto_minosa]

Madalas ba sa expressways si OP?

[foresterx]

the 2.0 liter R diesel (which should be in the tucson) produces 392 Nm or 289 lb-ft. of torque...

nevertheless, the older 2.0 diesel already has a 320 Nm / 236 lb-ft. of torque. * 1800~2500 rpm

so anyway you look at it... the tucson out rates the forester in terms of torque.

Gasoline ata yang tinitingnan mong specs.

well the XT will eventually have a higher top speed due to the peak horsepower. but in terms of useable and accessible torque? the CRDi on the Tucson wins

the XT has a turbo engine, once it hits 2.8k rpm and the turbo starts boosting then the tucson will eat the XT's dust. don't forget that diesel engines has more torque than gas engines but the down side of diesel engine is it's torque is focused on low rpm's, not on high rpm. unlike the XT's turbo engine, it will keep boosting from 2.8k up to about 6.5k rpm, once you floor the gas on the XT talagang ibabaon ka sa upuan mo dahil sa boost ng turbo. so i'm sure the XT will still be faster than the tucson from 0-100 also, and the XT's performance isn't just on how fast it can reach 0-100, it can also go really fast on the twisties and it will do really good off road. meron na nga isang taga subaru club na, na conquer na ang mt.pinatubo with their XT and no problems at all. and i'm planning to go to pinatubo with my forester as well.

but just like i said, it depends on where and how you'll use the car. still XT=performance and tucson=practicality. and just like yuichi said, best of both worlds yan both, and no matter what you choose maganda ang ngiti mo.

[Starex_Gold]

medyo O/T : why does the tucson CRDi only have 177 hp vs the new Sta Fe / Kia Sorento with 197 hp ? I thought they have the same engine (and that was where I was basing my comparisson)

Tucson iX / iX35 2.0L CRDi R e-VGT
Santa Fe / Sorento R 2.2L CRDi R e-VGT

[pup2]

hmmmm that changes things (the HP rating )

hehehe. I was gonna correct you til you corrected yourself. Personally, I also have a Focus TDCi which is also a CRDI VGT Diesel in an even smaller car.

Malayo pa din performance sir especially compared to my 07 FXT which is rated at 6.1 secs on 0-100. Baka mostly city ang driving mo kaya nagrereklamo ka sa gas. (At lalo ka magre reklamo sa gas dahil sa *(%G ethanol). Hirap mag overtake sa humahataw na bus yung mga diesel kaya mas nakaka stress sa long drive. (It'll probably take a 3.+ liter CRDI VGT or Twin Turbo to match the FXT ... ah kaya pala karibal niya yung X5 hehehe. Pero sa laki naman ng torque nun malaki chance na sirain ang tranny)

Malaki din hinala ko na malaki din diperensya sa ride kasi the Forester stock tires are road-biased OFF ROADERS while the Kumhos on the Tucs are true road tires. So if the tires are matched maglalayo ulit ride comfort nila.

But the Tuc is DEFINITELY more practical especially for daily/city use. And the styling is more modern. (Although modern looks often age much faster) Eh ako mismo thankful sa Focus ko tuwing brownout eh ... lalo na ngayon na mauuso na ang ethanol. (Pero kung ako, I'd just take the cheaper Tuc and take it to banawe -- practical nga eh di ba?)

Pero pag long drive o pag pagod ako, thank God for the FXT.

In the end, balancing act talaga. Sabi nga nila, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Kaya I strongly recommended a test ride/drive na mabuti naman sinunod.

OT -- Grabe yata 2nd hand market for 07s like mine ah. The other day may tumatawad na naman eh wala namang for sale sign saka kahit sabihin ko na na Ondoy. That's the third freaking time. hehehe.

[scharnhorst]

the XT has a turbo engine, once it hits 2.8k rpm and the turbo starts boosting then the tucson will eat the XT's dust. don't forget that diesel engines has more torque than gas engines but the down side of diesel engine is it's torque is focused on low rpm's, not on high rpm. unlike the XT's turbo engine, it will keep boosting from 2.8k up to about 6.5k rpm, once you floor the gas on the XT talagang ibabaon ka sa upuan mo dahil sa boost ng turbo. so i'm sure the XT will still be faster than the tucson from 0-100 also, and the XT's performance isn't just on how fast it can reach 0-100, it can also go really fast on the twisties and it will do really good off road. meron na nga isang taga subaru club na, na conquer na ang mt.pinatubo with their XT and no problems at all. and i'm planning to go to pinatubo with my forester as well.

but just like i said, it depends on where and how you'll use the car. still XT=performance and tucson=practicality. and just like yuichi said, best of both worlds yan both, and no matter what you choose maganda ang ngiti mo.

Of course the forester will be faster

I just mentioned that the crdi tucson does have far larger torque rating as opposed to the petrol figures that you posted. And accessible torque.

Thing is, once both cars are fully packed and loaded, the diesel tucson will have it better than the forester, as it will pull like a V8 truck without having to rev hard. Practicality in its essence.

*pup2: so pano pa kaming drivers with non-crdi, non-turbocharged, non-direct injection diesels sa overtaking? hahaha. grabe talaga.

[foresterx]

Of course the forester will be faster

I just mentioned that the crdi tucson does have far larger torque rating as opposed to the petrol figures that you posted. And accessible torque.

Thing is, once both cars are fully packed and loaded, the diesel tucson will have it better than the forester, as it will pull like a V8 truck without having to rev hard. Practicality in its essence.

*pup2: so pano pa kaming drivers with non-crdi, non-turbocharged, non-direct injection diesels sa overtaking? hahaha. grabe talaga.

i doubt that, we can keep arguing about it but this isn't the thread for that. so let's just go back to topic.

question lang about tucson, ano ba ang mga disadvantage,problems or sakit nito? on the forester kasi isa pa lang naman ang problem ng new and old foresters, yon ay yung interior rattles, kahit bago pa sasakyan mo meron na. pero engine, electrical, suspension and everything else wala naman known na sakit. pero ako naman i don't mind the rattles on my forester kasi compared to other cars naman walang kwenta ang rattle nito. also siguro din kasi sanay na ko sa subaru rattle since i've owned 2 other subaru's before my forester.

[Starex_Gold]

Of course the forester will be faster

I just mentioned that the crdi tucson does have far larger torque rating as opposed to the petrol figures that you posted. And accessible torque.

Thing is, once both cars are fully packed and loaded, the diesel tucson will have it better than the forester, as it will pull like a V8 truck without having to rev hard. Practicality in its essence.

*pup2: so pano pa kaming drivers with non-crdi, non-turbocharged, non-direct injection diesels sa overtaking? hahaha. grabe talaga.

This is true.

Nabasa ko sa Fortuner club na kapag ang Fortuner mo ay naka 22" rims:
mas mabagal ang acceleration ng 2.7 VVT-i sa 2.5 D-4D
Notice the difference in HP 160 VS. 102, both 4X2

iba talaga ang hauling power at torque ng mga diesel engine

foresterx, ayoko sana magka argue nanaman tayo pero wag naman sana tayo maging masyadong bias sa kotse natin

[foresterx]

This is true.

Nabasa ko sa Fortuner club na kapag ang Fortuner mo ay naka 22" rims:
mas mabagal ang acceleration ng 2.7 VVT-i sa 2.5 D-4D
Notice the difference in HP 160 VS. 102, both 4X2

iba talaga ang hauling power at torque ng mga diesel engine

foresterx, ayoko sana magka argue nanaman tayo pero wag naman sana tayo maging masyadong bias sa kotse natin

ok sorry, like you said ayoko na maki pag argue pa is it will go no where. maybe you can share the problems of tucson so we can help others planning to buy what to look out for. on the forester kasi interior rattles ang problem nito.

also i'm not biased to the forester, if you can see my other post i said i like the looks of the tucson better than the forester. i'm just pointing out that when it comes to performance and engine potential the forester has the advantage.

[scharnhorst]

also i'm not biased to the forester, if you can see my other post i said i like the looks of the tucson better than the forester. i'm just pointing out that when it comes to performance and engine potential the forester has the advantage.

^^ If you get the chance, try driving a modern diesel car, you'll understand what me, SG, and the other dieselers mean to say about "usable torque"

there's a reason why buses, trailers, trains, and even ships are powered by diesel engines.

and wala namang nakikipagtalo sayo dito, we all have our opinions. we're all just chipping in to the discussion regarding our personal experiences regarding petrol and diesel engines.

[roberto_minosa]

I'd say the potential buyer doesn't need the FXT's high-RPM grunt if he/she doesn't drive like I do; playing around above 4,500RPM. Which is pretty much impossible in plain old boring city driving, but routine here around the expressways.

[scharnhorst]

I'd say the potential buyer doesn't need the FXT's high-RPM grunt if he/she doesn't drive like I do; playing around above 4,500RPM. Which is pretty much impossible in plain old boring city driving, but routine here around the expressways.

for highway driving, crdi's are also quite good - they putter along at 100 kph at relatively lower RPMs

[Starex_Gold]

sa totoo lang, wala ako problema sa CRDi Premium ko. ayoko lang talaga nung H4 type headlights as in ayoko.

they putter along at 100 kph at relatively lower RPMs

again, this is true. ang Tucson CRDi ko kayang mag 100 KPH * 1700 RPM * 6th gear
120 KPH * 2000 RPM
140 KPH * 2500 RPM

and more to come :clap: bukas magpapa 1000KMS check up na ako. 1000KMS in 2 weeks :hysterical:

[foresterx]

pero based on other owners ba, what are their feedback on what new buyers should watch out for? lalo na in the long run may mga sakit ba ang tucson na lalabas?

[Starex_Gold]

pero based on other owners ba, what are their feedback on what new buyers should watch out for? lalo na in the long run may mga sakit ba ang tucson na lalabas?

syempre hindi ko / namin masasabi yan sa ngayon since bago pa yung iX.

yan bang Forester nyo?

[Gen. Miting]

pero based on other owners ba, what are their feedback on what new buyers should watch out for? lalo na in the long run may mga sakit ba ang tucson na lalabas?

they should watch out for the imminent popularity of Hyundai cars.

lately pati Santa Fe ko pinagtitignan sa kalsada ngaun. as in sinisipat pa talaga kung sino driver. eh luma na yun akin ah

mukang naging popular na naman SF ko bec. of this Tucson buying madness hype

[foresterx]

syempre hindi ko / namin masasabi yan sa ngayon since bago pa yung iX.

yan bang Forester nyo?

some owners say interior rattles ang sakit nito, pero every thing else is fine naman. for me i'm not really annoyed by the rattles, since if you compare it to other cars mas ok naman sya. our company has a inova j, hilux and revo which i use every day and if you compare it sa kalampag ng mga company car namin eh walang sinabi yung kalampag ng forester sa lakas ng interior rattles ng mga company car namin. siguro kasi yung mga nag rereklamo sa subaru club eh may other high end cars or euro cars kaya ingay na ingay sila sa subaru.